O'Malley camp responds to 'the substance-free silliness between the Clinton and Sanders camps'

[bigtree]

Matt Sheaff ‏@MattSheaff 10h10 hours ago
@caseymcdermott @SamEBNHPR This mock outrage and silly back and forth is a disservice to Democrats #nhpolitics

[FSogol]

1. On point as usual. What would he think of GD:P? n/t

[bigtree]

2. it's almost as if they're looking in here at DUP

...they've got us pegged.

[elleng]

15. :hug:

[bigtree]

22. :pals:

[HerbChestnut]

3. It's actually not substance free

It's a debate over single payer healthcare, the influence of Wall Street, and the future of the country.

[bigtree]

5. I wonder what the general public sees

...in the midst of these public spats.

Look at the ratio of campaign meta over actual policy 'debated' here.

(This post/statement being campaign meta isn't lost on me )

[HerbChestnut]

10. Well you can blame the media for that

The debate Bernie and Hillary are having is over policy (for the most part). It's actually a nice change of pace from what the Republicans are feeding us.

[libdem4life]

7. It was patronizing and he doesn't have the numbers to be lecturing the front runners.

[bigtree]

8. he doesn't need numbers to speak his mind

...no one does.

[libdem4life]

12. I believe I used the terms patronizing and lecturing.

Both of which he did. Had nothing to do with his freedom of speech.

[bigtree]

16. most of politics is like that

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[libdem4life]

26. Well, OK then.

[FSogol]

11. A debate? Ever seen the Monty Python skits where the Batley Townswomens' Guild

reenacts historic events? Their historical accuracy is on par with DU's debates.

[HerbChestnut]

13. If I were referring to DU then I'd agree

But I wasn't. Hillary and Bernie are having a debate on the issues, although I'd argue Hillary is pushing it a little.

[FSogol]

18. Could have fooled me. The most recent article on both camps:

HRC 4 hours ago on Newsweek: Hillary Clinton Plans Ad Barrage to Beat Back Surging Bernie Sanders

Sanders, 2 hours ago on CBS: Bernie Sanders: "Hillary Clinton has received a lot of money from Wall Street"

Hardly the modern version of the Federalist Papers....

[elleng]

20. HARDLY!

Have I told you lately ???

[FSogol]

23. Thanks. n/t

[bigtree]

24. 'hardly the modern version of the Federalist Papers'

[HerbChestnut]

25. Again, that's the media talking.

[FSogol]

28. Ok, how about twitter? The candidate's quickest method of connecting with citizens

HRC: Text BACKSTAGE to 47246 to get behind-the-scenes updates from Hillary as she gets ready for #DemDebate on Sunday.

Sanders: Kids are jailed for possessing marijuana or other minor crimes. Nothing happens to Wall Street execs whose illegal behavior harmed millions.

OM: As President, I will fight to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, however and wherever we can.

Conclusion, 1 candidate discussing debate prep and 2 discussing their positions. They are not debating issues.

[HerbChestnut]

30. All that shows

Is that Hillary doesn't send her own tweets (it's in 3rd person). I honestly have no idea what you're trying to prove with that post. Do you really expect candidates to be debating over twitter 24/7?

[elleng]

19. HA!

[malokvale77]

4. Hah...

If O'Malley recognized that the silliness was all coming from the Hillary camp, I might agree.

There is nothing silly about Bernie's desires for this country.

[m-lekktor]

6. Poor O'Malley. nt

[bigtree]

9. somehow, I think he'll be just fine

...without the pity.

[elleng]

14. 'With each passing day, it's clear that both Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton

are wed to the failed, broken politics and tactics of the past.'

[delrem]

32. That's a lie, you know.

Sanders doesn't represent establishment business as usual.

O'Malley is making a mistake by pretending not to see the differences.

[HerbChestnut]

33. O'Malley's been trying to lump the two together since October.

It hasn't worked and the act is getting a little old.

[delrem]

37. I think it's a tactical mistake.

His chance comes after the first primary states, if one or the other of Clinton or Sanders looks like tanking.
The differences are so overwhelmingly stark.
Also, Clinton's campaign has been incredibly Rovian and bridge burning, and self-entitled (hence the never-ending "loyalty oath" OPs, esp. now they're panicking) there's just no way left for a reconciliation. So supporters of either, if their candidate starts tanking, will look for an alternative. Which is O'Malley. But if O'Malley can't see a distinction between Clinton and Sanders that'll be a road-block to Sanders' supporters latching on. After all, if he honestly can't see the difference, what the hell? In that case he's just not very smart. Might as well stay home.

[elleng]

35. No he doesn't, but

the recent back and forth is pretty vapid.

'HRC 4 hours ago on Newsweek: Hillary Clinton Plans Ad Barrage to Beat Back Surging Bernie Sanders

Sanders, 2 hours ago on CBS: Bernie Sanders: "Hillary Clinton has received a lot of money from Wall Street"'

No actual DEBATING happening now.

[delrem]

38. Yes, but that's the MSM. Which has been totally ignoring O'Malley,

hardly even covering Sanders in their rush to the anointment of their Queen, in a most disgraceful coverage.
They cherry pick what they cover and how they cover it. It's pure propaganda, purest distortion, and part and parcel of the problem.
Since when does the MSM coverage determine the actual policy differences of the candidates?

[Cali_Democrat]

55. Bernie's been in Congress for nearly a quarter century

He's as establishment as it gets.

[Eric J in MN]

17. Do you think O'Malley could be the VP nominee or is this stuff too harsh? NT

NT

[FSogol]

21. While he'd do well in the job, it is doubtful he'd get selected by any other candidate.

One, it seldom happens, Maryland isn't a swing state, and Maryland will support the nominee anyways. Castro will be VP.

[libdem4life]

29. If the Nominee is HRC. I really like him, but he wouldn't sway me not to vote for Bernie in the

Primary.

[PyaarRevolution]

34. What about...?

Cornel West, Cynthia McKinney or Barbara Lee?

Secretary Of Energy Elon Musk, Robert Reich(with consultant Yanis Varrousfakkous), Drug Czar(?)?

[FSogol]

41. A good pick for Sanders would be Gov Brian Schweitzer.

He adds a Western voice. Of course Schweitzer endorsed O'Malley already.

Barbara Lee is the only realistic candidate on your list, btw.

[bigtree]

27. I agree with FSogol

O'Malley is a poor choice for either campaign. Md. brings little to the northeast centric candidacies of Hillary or Bernie.

[delrem]

31. Oh yah, like there're no substantial policy differences being debated.

What world are you guys living in???

[elleng]

36. Nothing of substance being debated now.

HRC 4 hours ago on Newsweek: Hillary Clinton Plans Ad Barrage to Beat Back Surging Bernie Sanders

Sanders, 2 hours ago on CBS: Bernie Sanders: "Hillary Clinton has received a lot of money from Wall Street"

[delrem]

39. Oh, you mean this very instant, as "covered" by the MSM, this instant?

Come on!
This debate has been happening for MONTHS.
The past doesn't vanish into absolute nothing - regardless of the fact that the MSM propaganda machine wants to make it so.

[elleng]

40. Yes, these days.

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Matt Sheaff ‏@MattSheaff 10h10 hours ago
@caseymcdermott @SamEBNHPR This mock outrage and silly back and forth is a disservice to Democrats #nhpolitics

[FSogol]

42. I live in a world where the two front runner campaigns bickered over

"what is or isn't a negative ad" while my candidate excoriated the GOP over their ridiculous circus debate and for the GOP-created water emergency in Flint.

[delrem]

43. My world is quite a bit broader in scope than that.

That's just cherry picking instances, pretending that those few (and I'm being nice by using the word "few&quot cherry picked instances are all, then pronouncing a verdict on the whole campaign, the entire platforms of the three candidates. Which is ridiculous and unhelpful.

[FSogol]

44. So, you are ticked because we are promoting & defending our candidate in lieu of yours?

Check out O'Malley's plans. They are all posted in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12813600
Not only are they the most workable and comprehensive plans of any candidate, they are also the future of what the Democratic party will strive for in the next 5-10 years.

When I look at what O'Malley is proposing vs what the other 2 are proposing from pie in the sky wishes with no basis in reality to outright pandering, there is no contest. I agree with his calling the other campaign's bickering silly. You call it cherry picking, but I call it a good example of what those campaigns did today.

[delrem]

45. No. I'm addressing the OP.

I happen to like O'Malley. I think he'd make a fine President of the US. Can't say the same for Clinton. As I said in another post under this OP, I think pushing a line that there's no difference between Clinton and Sanders, that they haven't addressed issues like gun control and are "just bickering", is a tactical mistake.

Kind of like if I said there was no difference between O'Malley and Clinton, or O'Malley and Sanders, or between any of them.
But that would just be painful rhetoric.

[FSogol]

46. Painful rhetoric that O'Malley supporters read every day on DU.

Nonsense like (which has all appeared on DU recently):

He's just helping HRC
He's just helping Sanders.
He's running for VP
He's running for a cabinet position.
He only brags about his accomplishments.
He only ended the death penalty & raised taxes on the rich because he was ambitious and thinking of higher offices.
His accomplishment were easy, so they don't really matter
He's 3rd way/DLC.
He should drop out.
He runs vicious attack ads.
He and Howard Dean lied.

So when the HRC and Sanders campaigns stop bickering, maybe some issues can get discussed. Until then, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[delrem]

47. You aren't addressing the point at hand. You're spinning a complaint

and creating a different issue.
Bye.

[FSogol]

48. LOL, another awesome debate. See post #11 in the thread.

[delrem]

53. I don't understand your contradiction.

You engage in the kind of posts that you pretend to deplore, making it into a matter of personal hate toward DUers.
I say this is a contradiction because you are also able to point out substantive issues, as in your list of interesting links to O'Malley's positions.

But here you are, pushing out ... this kind of shit.
Claiming that because you've got a list of complaints about individual DU posts, therefore there's been no discussion of issues back and forth between supporters of *all* the different candidates.
In effect claiming that the OP was about your complaint regarding some (among thousands) of DU posts, which you cherry pick as representing all.

I just don't understand your vehemence in pushing this contradiction.

Now, answer as you will FSogal, I'll probably even read it, but I'm saying a good riddance to this thread.

[FSogol]

54. What a load of nonsense. Show me one post out of my almost 30k posts that shows

"personal hate toward DUers" What a f'ing joke. Sorry people disagree with your high-minded opinions. Maybe everyone who doesn't agree with you should just go away? Word of advice: Don't fall off of your high horse, you might land on your backside.

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[DisgustipatedinCA]

49. My candidate did both, and more.

[bigtree]

50. kick

...for the record(s).

[bkkyosemite]

51. O'Malley don't use the other two to gain points.

[Kalidurga]

52. Well this explains why O'Malley isn't at least in second if not first place.

Hillary and Bernie are bickering in the back seat. And O'Malley says, "Don't make me stop this car." I saw this in the debates as well that he was desperate to get a salient point into the debate. Sanders didn't let Hillary derail him from making his points. But, she sure was gish galloping all over the place.

[fleur-de-lisa]

56. "Substance free"?

Bernie is covering EVERY freaking issue that is important to me. MOM's stooge is desperately trying for relevance, and failing miserably.

[bigtree]

57. his 'stooge'?

...am I on the right site?

NOTHING he said warrants that kind of insult. And what they're bickering over is substance-free, but let's pretend that all of the back-and-forth bickering is resolving something important to voters.

[fleur-de-lisa]

58. What insult?

This guy is misrepresenting Bernie's positions as 'substance free'. It is what it is.

[bigtree]

59. he's talking about the bickering over issues which have nothing to do with voters

...diverting from the issues voters care about.

Calling his spokesperson a 'stooge' is wrong and unnecessary.

[loyalsister]

60. How could our political displays not devolve into this

We have cable news, reality TV and precursor to both- football fetishism. All going strong and demonstrating why the USA is the true idiocracy.

Martin O'Malley is probably too smart to be entangled in this kind of foolish display.