"It is Destructive Particularily for a Democrat to be Discrediting Universal Healthcare"

[INdemo]

Sometimes I wonder if this isn't really Hillary's try for a third term.

By the way..Hillary said Pharmaceutical Companies was one of her biggest enemies...A day after this debate she received $160,000 contribution from a pharmaceutical.

Did she say trade deal? I thought she was talking about earning over 100,000 on the mercantile exchange without the required investment..Oh well... but there was something there about buying cattle contracts...

[Doctor_J]

1. few people consider her a democrat any more

[murielm99]

3. That is simply a lie.

And the number of Democrats endorsing her is only one proof of it.

[daybranch]

5. yes, many of us consider her an establishment, neoliberal, neocon democrat

Her embrace of free market economics throughout her and Bill's careers have shown she is a neoliberal and her friendship with Kissinger and the neocon actions she supported identify her as as a neocon, Her actions negotiating with her rich donors to pick positions more to benefit of the big business such as the $12 minimum wage, her early support of the Trans Pacific Partnership, her unwillingness to support regulation of Wall Street via endorsing the 21st Century Glass-Steagall Act which covers shadow banking ,the thing she says caused the crash, and her opposition to single payer health care , and subsequent misstatements about what it would do, her lack of support for government paid public college without students putting skin in the game ( a Christie pet phrase)and her parsing of sentences to detract from frank and open answers,identify her as a deceptive establishment democrat, taking their payments from Big donors and betraying the core democratic principle of working for the people, and negotiating for the rich at every opportunity. Hillary is not for us people and it is clearly showing. I guess she can call herself an establishment democrat or a centrist or a pragmatist or someone who gets things done ( but for what group?) and I guess she has to call herself something since her ability to claim the title of Progressive failed so miserably. Bernie is the candidate who best illustrates core democratic values. She is represents the depths of betrayal to which many of our establishment democrats have descended.
Actually I think Nixon was a better democrat than Hillary and I hated him for killing my combat buddies in the war. But then she pals around with Kissinger, what more can I say?

[murielm99]

7. Y0ur unreadable post, filled with

run-on sentences, is simply name calling.

Bernie is the one who is no Democrat. He is disdained and disparaged the party for years. He did not join the party until he needed their resources to run.

[daybranch]

11. When the name fits , use it!

Bernie runs as a democrat when democratic grassroots positions matched his own rather than establishment democratic positions. Sounds like right time and decision to me. Hillary has my sympathy, must be a downer to face him.

[HassleCat]

2. Our party needs to get on this issue

It will require several years of pushing for universal healthcare. Time for our leaders to lead, instead of waiting to see if it's safe to express an opinion.

[Uncle Joe]

4. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, INdemo.

[senz]

6. She's not a Democrat, she's a Hillarycrat.

Always has been.

[Feeling the Bern]

8. People can't lie anymore. It's all over youtube

Sorry, Hillary, if you are the nominee, I am voting against the Republican, not voting for you! You will never get my vote because between you and a Republican, you are the lesser of two evils

Go Bernie Go!

[MisterP]

9. it's the same thing with Iraq: it provided a huge and disproportionate legitimating factor

when 58% of Dem Senators voted for the IWR (2 votes behind, BTW) it was no longer just a project for the "nuke their ass and take their gas" Asshole Uncles or the (carefully-cultivated) braying jackasses infesting the GOP

same with the New Atheists--now it was much easier to think "maybe there's something to it"

[Recursion]

10. Who attacked universal health care?

I'm only aware of attacks on single payer, which is not the same thing.