Let's clear something up: Hillary's the only one who's been tested on a national stage.

[last1standing]

I keep hearing how tested Hillary is, and I agree completely.

She was thoroughly tested in 2008 and immediately started to attack her opponents with lies and distortions. She immediately began inflating her record and accomplishments. She immediately started spreading racist memes.

Then she failed.

And when she failed, she threw a tantrum demanding that the person who didn't fail clean up all the messes she made while smearing him.

Now she's taking all the lessons she learned while failing in 2008 and repeating them in 2016.

So if you want a truly tested candidate who knows everything about crashing, burning, setting the town on fire, and walking away blaming everyone else, on a national stage, Hillary is your person.

If you're ready to learn the lessons of 2008, it's time to move on and support a candidate who can inspire without tearing everything down around them.

[FreakinDJ]

1. Hillary's Epic FAIL

[last1standing]

2. Umm... You might want to reread the OP.

Just a suggestion.

[passiveporcupine]

68. DJ is agreeing with your OP

[last1standing]

72. Damn this Intertube and it's lack of facial signals!

The way I read it, it seemed like he responded only to the headline. But I can see it the other way as well now.

[passiveporcupine]

74. Hey, we all do it sometimes.

[last1standing]

76. Screwing up is a great excuse for taking responsibility.

It's a quality I very much admire in our candidate.

[lewebley3]

55. Hillary is an epic success: she is one of most accomplished persons

to ever run for the Presidency: like most women they
have ten times the better resume and accomplishments
than a man, who has never accomplished anything,
but be a white male.

Sanders is not even supported by the people who know
him is colleagues (Dem Senator Leahy is with Hillary)

His health Plans were voted down 9 times

[daybranch]

66. You may have a great tendency to exaggerate

and apparently Hilary's gender pandering is working with you. As a white male, I have seen discrimination work both ways depending on quotas, limited numbers of female and minority candidates etc., sexual relationships advancing women, attempts to hold onto un-performing females where physical demands of the job were undo-able for them. I do believe overall women suffer more discrimination than men but 10 times the accomplishments of a white male, seems greatly large..
As far as his health plans being rejected, Hillary had years as the Presidents lead on health plans and couldn't get one in the 8 years her husband was in the White House.
Your bitterness towards white men is maybe a lot overblown. We are not all against women, or people of color, but many of us do not support Clinton because we do not feel she is the best candidate for our families or for people including women who we love.
We probably just do not see the oppressed Hillary Clinton you want to support when we look at her life and her career.

[last1standing]

69. She accomplished over 200,000 dead innocents in Iraq.

She accomplished bailing out mega-banks while letting "the poors" lose they're homes.

She accomplished starting the muslim meme.

She accomplished giving telecommunications companies immunity for violating our privacy.

She accomplished making bankruptcy harder for families and easier for corporations.

She accomplished not supporting LGBT equality until it was a done deal.

I can't argue with you. She's very accomplished.

[stevenleser]

87. No, she didn't.

Everything you wrote is either a Bush administration "accomplishment" an exaggeration or an outright falsehood

[last1standing]

89. Is this 2008 or 2015 stevenleser writing?

I get so confused whether Hillary is a two-faced liar or the most honorable and accomplished politician of our age?

Which is it Steve? Were you lying then or are you lying now?

And why on Earth should anyone believe a Damned word you write or vomit out on Faux News when it's been proved you're willing to say whatever suits your interests at the moment?

[stevenleser]

90. Can we hold Sanders responsible for past gun positions or current ones?

I'm happy to play along and call Sanders an NRA enabling gun humper if that's the game you want to play.

[last1standing]

91. Again, is this the 2008 or 2015 stevenleser? And why should anyone trust either of you?

How did Hillary go from being a two-faced liar to an honorable politician?

Why won't you answer that, Steve? Why won't you tell us all why we should believe the everchanging opinions of a Faux News pundit?

[stevenleser]

93. Again, is Bernie an NRA stooge or isn't he? He also made lame excuses in the first debate

Regarding his gun positions.

I'm happy to say Bernie is pro gun and we can ignore any changes of mind he has had.

Your call.

[last1standing]

94. So the Faux News pundit won't answer a simple question. How surprising.

And sleazy, but expected.

[stevenleser]

95. LMAO, I have as much ties to Fox as Bernie has. Guess you can't vote for him now.

Welcome to team Hillary!!!

And you are the one who can't answer questions. You have a completely hypocritical standard when it comes to me and Bernie on at least two positions now.

[last1standing]

96. Do you hang out with Hannity after the show?

n/t

[stevenleser]

121. Does Bernie? nt

[Cassiopeia]

123. Bernie has been on Hannity's show?

I would love to see a link for that one.

Hell, I would love to see a link for any show on Fox that Bernie has appeared on.

[stevenleser]

124. Here are a couple...

[cannabis_flower]

118. If he's so pro-gun..

why did he get a D- rating from the NRA

[stevenleser]

125. He's pro-gun enough that he just flip-flopped on one of his pro-gun positions yesterday.

Oops! ROFLMAO

[Kentonio]

127. You want to talk about flip flops? Seriously?

[stevenleser]

128. Yep, because its the hypocrisy of Sanders supporters who claim he never flip flops.

Just like my complaints about Republicans voting for Mark Sanford.

I don't really care that he cheated or that Sanders flip flopped. I care that Republicans made a big deal about it for a Democratic President but gave Sanford a pass and Sanders supporters seem to jump on everyone else for flip flopping but give Bernie a pass.

[Kentonio]

130. Ok, please describe EXACTLY what he has flipped flopped on

[stevenleser]

131. There is an OP about it now in GDP with multiple responses, you can read all about it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511020191

[Kentonio]

134. So in other words you don't know.

Which is unsurprising, because he hasn't really changed his position. He repeated today that he sees no reason why a small business should be sued for legally selling a lawful product. What he has now said is that he'd certainly revisit some of the clauses in the bill that either he didn't particularly favor at the time or which time has shown have led to issues.

If that's the best you can do for a 'flip-flop' then that says a lot.

[stevenleser]

136. The OP to which I linked lays it all out and I've read it so yes I do know

A link with facts is the gold standard on DU, always has been, and that's what I gave you.

[draa]

132. You found one thing that Sanders flipped his opinion on. Good for you.

Hillary changed her mind on.

Iraq War THE BIGGEST FLOP OF ALL TIMES
Welfare Reform that her husband apologized for.
NAFTA, TPP which she supported until she didn't.
Keystone Pipeline which she fought for as SoS
Bankruptcy Reform which made being poor more humiliating.
Banking Reform which allowed 25%-30% interest rates
Single Payer which she fought for herself until she was bought out.

That's just off the top of my head. So go on with yourself, try to compare someone who has changed positions once in 35 years to someone who can't make up her mind on a daily basis.

[stevenleser]

133. And your response is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. Thank you for illustrating it so

well.

It's the hypocrisy of Sanders supporters who jump on everyone else for changing their minds and give a pass to Saint Bernard.

[draa]

135. Illustrating what exactly?

That you're full of shit? Or that you're a hypocrite? Which is it?

You can't have it both way. Either Sanders changing his mind is ok, or both Sanders and Hillary changing their minds are bad. So once again, which it is?

For the record, I don't think changing ones mind is bad. But there should at least be consistency in your core values.

[stevenleser]

137. See my #128, you illustrated it perfectly. If you had called me and asked me what to post

It wouldn't have been more perfect.

[draa]

139. Hahaha, I don't need to see anything.

Really. I don't. I just don't care.

I do know that if you aren't really mad and if you're just countering Sanders' supporters claims, you might want to pick a different subject than a candidates filp-flops. Especially if you consider where your own candidate stands on those.

[libdem4life]

97. With a NRA rating of D- ... back in the day that was just a Hail Mary for Fail.

That's not a game.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

113. Excellent question.

It's a similar question to "is this the pro-gun Hillary or the anti-gun Hillary", or, "is this the pro medical marijuana Hillary or the anti medical marijuana Hillary". All things to all people, anytime--except that this isn't how the world works.

[Katashi_itto]

122. Whats Whoopi doing?

[Biki]

99. Hillary's rehearsed speech is dandy ...

Yes she did all that. And more. She tries to talk good ... but now is tripping all over herself as she's doing it. Gawd I hate to be talked down to, and Hillary has made it her occupation to talk to Americans like we're a bunch of ignorant asses. But regardless of what she and her PR team conjure, her record speaks for itself, and her donor pool spells out her future record. She's a smart woman, too bad she's so jaded. Scary.

[Lil Missy]

105. Wow, if she is THAT powerful in getting things done single-handedly,

then I DEFINITELY want her as next POTUS!!!!

[last1standing]

106. That explains everything.

Because that's the last kind of person I want to give more power and control to.

I want a president who wants to serve the people, not a tyrant who wants to serve herself.

Are you sure you're in the right party?

[Lil Missy]

107. I was wondering the same thing about you.

[last1standing]

108. Right. An aversion to power-grubbing autocrats is very anti-Democratic.

Do you even know what you're typing?

[Lil Missy]

110. Oh, lighten up Francais!

It's a message board, and I'm not the Anti-Christ!

[leveymg]

138. And another 200k dead in Libya and Syria.

That's really her work. In Iraq she was just a team player on Bush's foreign policy goon squad.

[lewebley3]

140. Bush took the counrty to War: not Hillary: Naders and Sanders peope but

Bush in to office. Sanders is a McGovern, he will give us Trump

[Conch]

70. Where to begin.

First,...So, you've done a thorough investigation of all Presidential candidates historically?

No, you haven't. You're typing gibberish.

Second, way to be prejudice, "like most women they (sic) have ten time the better resume and accomplishments than a man." Yes, we all know... one group of people is just naturally superior to another group. Which by stating that it reduces Clinton's accomplishments anyway. You're stating that women are gifted unlike men. So, shouldn't Clinton be more accomplished? I mean "most women" are "ten times better."

Finally, colleague support isn't the measure of anything ESPECIALLY in politics.

He isn't supported by politicians... what's your point with that statement? That to me is a step up from the typical candidates.

You might have had something constructive to offer to a conversation but the gender favoritism (you put a new spin on an old stereotype that one is better than the other) and stone throwing based on political cronyism discredits anything you say.

[A Simple Game]

92. To be fair the poster isn't comparing women to all men, just white men. Of course we don't know if

the poster to which you are responding thinks men of color are better or worse than women, better or worse than white men, or not even worth consideration.

Based on the discrimination already displayed by the poster, I guess it is the last option.

[dgibby]

77. Success:

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

[Pauldg47]

81. Yup, you are right!!!! Oops! Me bad....didn't read all of it.....go Bernie !!!

[pangaia]

3. It's a good thing I read all of your post.

[last1standing]

5. Lol! Thanks for the rec.

n/t

[Metric System]

4. Pure BS.

[last1standing]

8. Please tell me what is "BS" about it?

Did Hillary not start the "Muslim" meme? "Is he a Christian? He says he is...."

Did Hillary not claim she was under fire in Bosnia? Hint: Yes.

Did Hillary not tout her support from "hardworking white people?" Another hint: Yes.

Did Hillary not demand that the Obama campaign pay her debts after she spent like a drunken sailor? Yet another hint: Yes.

Is Hillary doing the exact same things this time? More hints: Yes, yes, yes, and likely yes.

[Metric System]

12. No, she didn't start a Muslim meme nor did she ever say those words you've put in quotations. Nor

did she DEMAND the Obama campaign pay her debts. And while she didn't win the nomination in 2008, she did rack up 18 million votes.

[last1standing]

13. Lol. You might want to check up on your candidate's history.

She did every one of the things I stated and most of us here know it. It's kind of telling that you don't.

[Metric System]

20. Please provide a link to the quote you attributed to her.

[last1standing]

23. Again, this is very, very common knowledge.

But go judge for yourself and then come back and look foolish justifying her "nuance."

https://libertystreet.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/hillary-clinton-hard-working-americans-are-white-americans/

[libdem4life]

98. Lalalalalalalalala...I can't hear you.

[jkbRN]

24. If you are incapable of researching it yourself,

I have done it for you--see comment 22.

[jkbRN]

22. Here's the link so you can freshen up on your candidates history:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-clinton-horrified-by-obama-rumors-her-campaign-helped-create/

[last1standing]

25. Isn't it sad then they have to find out the truth about their candidates?

What's even sadder is when the come back justifying the inexcusable with silly diversions and misdirection.

And we'll be seeing that in... 5....4....3....2.....

[Metric System]

27. From Politifact :

"As for the myth that Obama is a Muslim, the record shows that a couple of Clinton campaign volunteers in Iowa passed along emails with that claim. Such emails had been circulating for several months. The volunteers did not share this rumor widely, and at least one paid Clinton staffer immediately renounced it. The Clinton campaign moved quickly to remove the volunteers. We could find no evidence of a deeper connection to Clinton or her campaign."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/sep/25/obama-muslim-myth-clinton

[last1standing]

32. Prepare for blastoff!

Lol. We have blastoff, ground control!

[Metric System]

33. You have nothing truthful or factual to say.

[last1standing]

35. Awwww.... Did you really not know that your candidate did these things?

That's really kind of sweet in it's ignorance of the facts.

[Metric System]

37. Keep blathering on.

[last1standing]

39. I will. You keep burying your head in the sand so you don't hear the nasty truth.

We wouldn't want it to keep you up at night when you find out exactly who your supporting.

In all seriousness, you really should look into the 2008 election to see what kind of campaign she ran. It was disgusting.

[stevenleser]

126. Hey, by your standards we can hold Sanders responsible for nasty anti-BLM statements by his

supporters.

So Bernie is a racist then. By your standards of course.

[Treant]

59. Of course she's responsible for that...

...to the same extent Sanders is for his campaign staffers stealing Clinton's data.

[last1standing]

61. Sanders took responsibility and apologized. See how that works?

It's called "doing the right thing."

It's a shame Hillary has never heard of it.

[stevenleser]

129. His apology counts for nothing if he tried to attack everyone else at the same time. That's not

apologizing and taking responsibility.

[artislife]

28. I got an email from Obama asking me to help pay her debts

How many small businesses was she walking out on? Caterers, event planners, deliveries...

18 million couldn't pay for it?

[Metric System]

31. Quite different from demanding, as the questionable commenter above claims.

[last1standing]

34. The justifications of those in newly minted denial are so sweet.

Please spin more. Most of of have never heard these highly original excuses before.

[artislife]

45. And no conversation on the small businesses being stiffed

Why those 18 million couldn't throw in more money to pay for the party they had.

[last1standing]

53. I've always wondered that, myself.

The gall of demanding that Obama pay the salaries and costs of all those smearing henchmen and screeds amazes me. It shows that Hillary has no shame or sense of humility.

She DESERVED to win, Damnit!

[truedelphi]

86. She also voted for the IWR, had her State Department

attempt to get the Keystone XL project going, and has never done anything to not enhance Monsanto's ability to destroy traditional crops.

I already cannot eat wheat, due to the high levels of fusarium, vomitoxin and other fungal materialsthat result from RoundUp destroying the nutritional value of American soil.

We need someone in office to stop the spread of GM foods and seeds. Although at this point, with Obama helping Monsato out, during the past eight crucial years, it may be too late. (Pollen does not care at all about legislation. Once released into the environment, it is there for a very long time.)

[Live and Learn]

6. LOL When I read the title, I immediatly thought, 'and she failed.' nt

[retrowire]

80. this. nt

[TheFarS1de]

83. Great minds think alike

[saltpoint]

7. I am interested in keeping

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the White House in blue hands. There is a strong case to be made for our three candidates in and of themselves.

I consider all three blue candidates accomplished, intelligent, and defendable, particularly when the red team is hell-bent on extinguishing the social safety net, dismantling the New Deal, eroding the rights of minorities and women, and in most cases, willing to let Dominionist / fundie Christians burn the Constitution.

Democracy is always under considerable strain. But the Republicans are trying to torch the whole village.

I prefer Sanders but will support whoever prevails against the notion of a Trump or Cruz White House.

[last1standing]

9. As will I.

I'm using this thread to show that Hillary has a history of not only failing, but damaging those around her as she does so.

Let's hope she's not our nominee.

[saltpoint]

16. I believe I understood the

point of your post, but in one reading of the primary campaigns, voters may respond to U.S. politics based on what is at stake.

That necessarily involves weighing damage done to long-earned gains if a Republican candidate by some arithmetic becomes poised to win the electoral college. U.S. voters have done well in some elections. Not so well in others. I think they chose very wisely in 1960, 1976, and 2008. I think they were drunk or delusional in 1968, 1972, 1980, 1988, 1996, and 2000.

It is unsettling to think that although Kennedy for example won in 1960, the race was perilously close. That means roughly half of U.S. voters thought a sniveling mediocrity like Richard Nixon would make an acceptable world leader. I tend not to vote with that roughly-half group, all these years later. There have been way too many extremely close national elections.

[last1standing]

19. Voting in the primary based on who you think has the best chance in the GE is reasonable.

I don't think we're disagreeing here.

I merely contend that Hillary has a history of doing all the things necessary to lose and I would like to make that point to others. I'll also note that hypothetical polls show Bernie leading in matchups that Hillary loses against possible repub nominees (not that those mean much at this stage).

[saltpoint]

21. At no time would I argue that

Democratic primary voters should vote the way I vote for any reason. No matter what the reason is. Primary election campaigns often go better than expected (Sanders' impressive small donations fundraising, for example) though even more often they do not succeed as planned (Jeb's appeal to the Republican "mainstream," a GOP demographic becoming as rare as unicorns).

Electability is in play but not the only consideration.

[MisterP]

50. at least one candidate has attacked social safety nets, has actively undone everything FDR

worked for, and is inherently tied in campaigning and ideology to frigging Rahm Emanuel

"but at least the fundies aren't in office" is also exactly how we got Libya and Syria

[daleanime]

10. And was found wanting......

But don't let that trouble you, have a great day.

[last1standing]

11. Read the OP. Lol!

n/t

[Juicy_Bellows]

14. Funny thing - it's not that long!

Thanks for posting - apparently a lot of people don't read past the headlines!

[last1standing]

15. I've probably been guilty of it during the heat of posting in a contentious time as well.

But I can't resist putting a little spin on things sometimes.

Thanks for the post.

[Juicy_Bellows]

26. The passion runs hot!

[last1standing]

29. And that's not a bad thing.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

114. last1standing is on our side.

[Douglas Carpenter]

17. yeah, and that is her worst point

[silenttigersong]

18. For some reason

My unconcious mind has the ability to detect and reject lies,i find myself not feeling tranguil ,when someone is selling me lies its irratating .I tend to just tune them out.May the best liar win! Side note I think Bernie is speaking truth to power.

[vkkv]

30. Exactly, and what has she won? A Senate seat? So has BERNIE

and without all of the drama and corporate bucks.

[Metric System]

38. He didn't need corporate bucks when he had the NRA on his side.

[vkkv]

40. How much did the NRA give him? 2,500 dollars?

Please let us all know how much and in what years.

Back up your point with data, please.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

115. Tolerance for bullshit went out the window when Clinton lied about my candidate.

Your response was a good one, in my opinion. No more sophomoric arguments. No more intellectual dishonesty. No more playing innocent to elicit certain answers. Proof is now required, IRONCLAD proof. Bullshit gets kicked down 4 flights of stairs.

[last1standing]

41. Hahaha! You really are out of your league, aren't you?

You're confronted with all the nasty things Hillary has done in the name of claiming what she believes is hers by right and you vomit up that old chestnut?

[Metric System]

47. Are you stalking me now? Your opinions mean zero to me. Have a great weekend.

[last1standing]

48. Yes, I'm stalking you in my own OP.

That's much like being an unwelcome guest in your own house, but you go on with your very poor attempts at misdirection and diversion. Hillary would expect no less.

[Warren Stupidity]

101. Classic.!

[last1standing]

104. Even more classis is not knowing how Hillary disgraced herself in 2008.

Metric seemed honestly shocked that her candidate exploited race, lied her ass off, and demanded that someone else pick up her tab after the drunken brawl she started.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

116. You call this stalking, and expect your other utterances to be taken seriously?

You just let the admins know that the OP stalked you all the way from his own thread...to his own thread.

[vkkv]

120. How much did the NRA give him? 2,500 dollars?

Please let us all know how much and in what years.

Are you going to FINALLY answer to your finger-pointing with the FACTS as I previously requested or are you going to wilt away, withering, withering, withering, like a Hillary campaign worker on election night?

LET ME GUESS !!!!

[libdem4life]

100. Yep. In the old days, it might have been called a Carpetbagger. The history of that word is

fascinating.

[tularetom]

36. This was the thing that turned me off to her forever

And when she failed, she threw a tantrum demanding that the person who didn't fail clean up all the messes she made while smearing him.

And after Obama bailed her out, she caused another big mess as a member of his cabinet. And to thank him, she's ready to throw him overboard if and when she gets the nomination and has to appeal to independent and "moderate" voters.

She's certainly not the only despicable human being in this presidential race, but she's the only one claiming to be a Democrat.

[SammyWinstonJack]

73. +1000000. 'She's certainly not the only despicable human being

in this presidential race, but she's the only one claiming to be a Democrat.'

[bvf]

42. Normally not a big fan of headlines like this,

but in this case, I think it was well executed.

"Tested" seems to be taken by some as implying success, and the implication should always be called out forcefully.

I remember the first time someone told me, "You have been tested and found wanting."

Good OP!

[last1standing]

43. Thanks. I've been reading the "tested" meme a lot in the last few days.

I thought we should ask ourselves what grades she got and what she's learned since.

Of course the answers are "failing" and "nothing."

Is that who we want to send up against the repubs?

[WDIM]

44. And she lost. nt

[Vattel]

46. I completely support Sanders, but

I really don't think Clinton's campaign in 2008 was all that dirty. I think uncharitable interpretations (mostly by Obama supporters)of what she said were responsible for the perception that it was a really dirty campaign.

[last1standing]

49. It's what helped me choose between two relatively conservative Democrats.

Their proposals were incredibly similar but Obama ran a much cleaner campaign. In the end, I couldn't justify supporting someone who was using the same tactics I've always despised the repubs for.

[Vattel]

62. Yeah, her campaign was not an honorable one, but not as bad as many think IMHO.

For example, when she famously said something like, "He is not a Muslim, for all I know," a fair listener would have recognized that her remark was in the context of insisting that there was no reason to think that Obama was a Muslim (as if that would be bad). I don't think it was fair to say that she was trying to leave some doubt about the issue.

[last1standing]

63. We'll have to disagree on her level of dishonesty in 2008.

And perhaps merely agree that it wasn't honorable, but to different extents.

[Vattel]

64. Sounds good to me!

We have a far better candidate that we can agree on!

[Kalidurga]

102. "He is not a Muslim, for all I know,"

LOL, first off it is actually a fair listener who understands that she is trying to leave doubt or that she can't believe the evidence at hand. The statement should be "He is not a Muslim." Everyone knows that Obama went to the Trinity United Church with pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright a Christian Church. Is it proof he is Christian? Probably not, but I am inclined to take it at face value apparently Hillary doesn't have the same courage to do so and she must leave the qualifier on at the end. So, she is either planting doubt or she doesn't have enough faith in the evidence at hand to not leave the qualifier off. Either way it doesn't look good.

[Vattel]

112. Yes, but she had been insisting that he was not Muslim.

The interviewer kept coming back to it until she finally she added the "for all I know" qualifier. Given that context, the "for all I know" was more like saying that everything she knows suggests he is not Muslim, or at worst a mere concession that she can't be absolutely certain. It was certainly not an attempt to suggest that there was any serious doubt.

Context is everything when it comes to interpretation.

[Kalidurga]

119. I am actually sorry she had to go through that

She could have said "Just stop" we have been over this and over this. But, then people would call her the B word.

[nashville_brook]

79. erm, i'm *guilty* of being a critic of Obama, and supported HRC

kinda reflexively if Edwards...didn't get the nod (ha!). i think it was about women's issues for me.

it was HRC's campaigning right around the FL primary (maybe just after) that really turned me off. it's her petulant machiavellian style. choose one, petulant or machiavellian. both is just gross. and it's not just her as a person. it's the whole campaign style. you see in surrogates as well.

as the campaign continued to tighten, she got worse, which made Obama seem all the more likable. the more she attacked and pointed fingers, the more the narrative that Obama is "new kind of politician" was reinforced.

[Vattel]

82. basically I agree

[mhatrw]

51. Yep. Tested and found wanting. What a terrible Democratic Presidential candidate.

Even John Kerry would be better. Hell, even Mike Dukakis would be better.

If Hillary wins the nomination, the Republicans will gain complete control the Senate, the House, the Presidency and the Supreme Court.

Democrats literally could not pick a worse candidate in terms of firing up the Republican base while leaving the Democratic base stone cold.

[last1standing]

56. And the hippie punchers will blame us. Again.

It can never be the message or the messenger. It has to be all those dirty, unicorn-humping dreamers who didn't come out to vote for the right team.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

117. If Hillary wins the nomination, I'll NEVER shut up about the people who allowed Trump or Cruz to win

[Martin Eden]

52. There was a **HUGE** test in October 2002

Hillary Clinton failed miserably by voting to give GW Bush authority to invade Iraq.

[underthematrix]

54. HRC is doing great and #ImWithHer

https://twitter.com/allanbrauer/status/688298324193968128/photo/1

[last1standing]

57. I'm sure a few people would have rebooked on the Titanic if tickets were half off.

Some people never learn from their mistakes. Look at Hillary and the DNC.

[underthematrix]

58. Thank you for your comment

[last1standing]

60. Thank you for kicking the thread.

[joeybee12]

65. from fox noise straight to your waiting and eager ears

Amazing how much this place resembles free republic these days

[last1standing]

67. You want to blame me for Hillary's lies and racist dogwhistles?

Maybe if she hadn't done those things, no one would be talking about them. Why does Camp Weathervane always to accept responsibility for their actions? Why is it always someone else's fault? Is that how she plans to run the country?

But that's Hillary. Always blaming the victim.

[treestar]

71. she is a smart person and smart people learn from their mistakes

This is absurd. Anyone who failed at anything should never try again? I keep hearing we should keep trying and even try to pie in the sky at all times.

[last1standing]

75. It's your camp that's pushing the "tested" meme.

I'm merely mentioning how well she did, why she failed so catastrophically, and how she's repeating the same horrible mistakes that led to her last failure.

[haikugal]

103. I think the idea is to learn from your mistakes...not something Clinton has demonstrated. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

78. Some people never learn...

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

84. K - that's pretty harsh - &R!!

[left-of-center2012]

85. HRC failed in nationl elections

But this time she's really, really going to win.
honest
seriously
for sure

'cause it's her turn, don't ya know?

[CharlotteVale]

88. Exactly. It's almost like she wants to lose since she's doubling down.

[last1standing]

109. Thank you! I keep wondering how #HillFail neglects to see the pattern.

Every single time she attacks Bernie with lies her numbers go down and his fundraising goes up.

Is that the person we want to support going into the general election?

[asuhornets]

141. Hillary will beat Bernie in Iowa and ...

the remaining states. Bernie may win NH, but who cares. Hillary has been tried and tested and she is a winner. Bernie is not even a Democrat. He says the same things over and over again. He is not inspiring; he is grumpy. Also, most people don't really know him that is why he is popular FOR NOW. Bernie has not been tested nor tried. When that time comes and it shows how unpresidential he looks and behaves, people are to say I like the guy but not for president.