Hillary's new slogan: No We Can't!

[HerbChestnut]

Most Americans want single payer healthcare: No We Can't
Free public college tuition: No We Can't
To break up the large financial institutions that caused the 2008 collapse: No We Can't
The rich to pay their fair share of taxes: No We Can't
Get big money out of politics: No We Can't

She is running the most Debbie Downer campaign I have ever seen. That's not what good leadership is about, and end up costing her the election.

[Kalidurga]

1. I think she lost the nomination last night.

But, then on the other hand her poll numbers should have plummeted after the third debate when she claims we must work with brutal dictators to promote democracy.

[ViseGrip]

2. She certainly lost the general election last night....

[Kalidurga]

4. I never thought she had a chance in the general

Independents do not like her. I am glad that Republicans do not like her it's the one thing in her favor. But, we can't afford to turn off Independents. No one will win without them. I really hope she doesn't get the nomination it could seriously damage Democrats.

[Thenewire]

63. How can Sanders possibly get the majority of independents?

You are giving them too much credit for being able to read between the lines and conduct their own research. The only thing the undecided will hear come election day is how extreme Sanders is, how he is a communist and will be raising their taxes. They wont care that by raising taxes they might end up saving more money. What a lot of them care about is the present and in the present they blame the affordable care act for all the ills in the healthcare system. 2 out of every 3 independent disapprove of the affordable care act, so how can you expect these same individuals to favor single payer which would require more drastic government involvement in the healthcare system? Also keep in mind that more people oppose the law because they think it goes to far, not because it doesn't do enough. They will buy into the republican argument and you will end up with a republican president undoing everything that has been done over the last 8 years. I would be all for Sanders if he was the nominee of a socialist party and the democratic party being the only alternative but don't forget that this election is against right wing extremist and Sanders has no chance in beating any of them. http://www.gallup.com/poll/4708/healthcare-system.aspx

[Kalidurga]

64. I don't think I said he would

But, he does need a large chunk of Independents and so would Hillary. Trump won't get the majority either. Most the Independents I know will vote 3rd party.

[Duckfan]

71. Spoken like a true repuke

Now if you care to explain this Cluster Faux talking point that Bernie is a "communist" I would be happy to see your proof.

[roguevalley]

75. yeah. Bernie is BEATING the pugs by as much as 19 points in polls. These are the weezes of

the fading hopes of HRC.

[PatrickforO]

73. Sanders is polling well against all of the right wing extremists.

That's why I'm not sure I buy into your last sentence at all. In fact I downright disagree with you.

I think Sanders has a very good chance. I guess we'll see.

[kenfrequed]

76. He actually polls better with independents.

When his name is tossed up against Republicans in the swing states Sanders beats the crap out of the Republican field and Hillary kind of either ekes out a very tight victory or occasionally loses.

[libdem4life]

96. If you have not been welcomed, welcome to DU. Now, as to Independents, IMHO

They are the ones who do their research and are not blinded by partisan bickering or posturing. They are able to see both sides. Independents are separate from those who are too lazy or unmotivated to vote. But Bernie is making strong inroads into both camps.

And the inference that America is satisfied being LAST in anything, let alone health care, is going to start to wake up...thanks to Mr. Sanders. This "communist" as you put it, is far ahead of any Republican in the stable.

Like he started back 50 points from HRC and now is neck and neck, I'd expect to see the naysayers on the health care issue, POC and other groups start to recheck their earlier alliances. I did back in 2008 when they said a Black Man could never be President and much other atrocious slime.

The Republicans are off the rails, yet one or two is indicated to be able to beat Hillary.

Oh, and as to the Socialist and Communist triggers...you're behind the times. Communist...lord knows where that came from, but almost half of the American people have no problem with the Socialist moniker. Stunning, but that's what they are reporting. And we already have a ton of "socialism" in this country. Case in point...your house catches fire, you don't have to write the Fire Department a check. And they'll even save your pets and drive away without leaving a bill.

[bvar22]

110. The Right Wing will try to brand Hillary as a "Socialist Commie" too,

..just like they did Obama, JFK, HST, and FDR.
So THAT argument is a toss up.

I really don't care what the Right Wing says anymore,
and I won't let the Right Wing choose MY candidate FOR me.

[RoccoR5955]

116. Independents and Conservatives will vote for Bernie for one reason

That is honesty.
Most of the independents and conservatives that I talk to actually like Bernie. They say that though they may not agree with his policies, at least he gives people a straight answer, he walks the walk, as well as talks the talk. And he has been doing it for a long long time. They say that we need more of this in our government.

And all the crap about Bernie being a Socialist does not float with the many young folks who are enthusiastic about him, of all party affiliations. Many young folks see that Bernie wants to give them free college education, so that they will not be burdened with the debt that so many of us have. They see that capitalism has failed us, and believe that it is about time to try something different.

This has been my observation.

[Thenewire]

169. I agree, capitalism is a massive failure.

It can only take society so far until greed overcomes common sense but we must also be realistic. There is absolutely no way that Sander's ideas could be implemented in this country when we have to deal with extremists who think that the government is the problem and the talk about him being honest is the same argument racist garbage use to justify supporting trump. No politician is ever honest or trustworthy, that's why they became politicians. Sander's is not a numbers guy, he is just a populist like any other who says what the electorate on his wing want to hear and he knows very well that none of his proposals have a chance. He has been a politician for nearly 4 decades, he can't possibly be so gullible enough to think that he would reach some agreement with republicans to pass any measure. Unless it is some misguided vote to audit the feds and introduce the gold standard. If you buy into the belief that Sander's is honest then you might just as well be supporting Trump.

[RoccoR5955]

172. OK so tell me

If you don't believe that Sanders is honest, than please provide me with several examples of how he has not been honest.
Thanks in advance.

Oh, and not every politician gets into politics because they are crooked. There are some that get into office, because they want to change things. My former congressman, Maurice Hinchey was one. I am sure that there are others.

[Thenewire]

180. He is selling you on a proposal that will never happen.

He is either actively lying to everyone on the fact that his ideas are impossible to implement under the current fascist environment or he is extremely gullible. I doubt it is the latter due to Sanders being a career politician and knowing the monsters we are up against. Keep in mind that the potential republican candidate is mother fucking trump. A fascist against a self proclaimed socialist. Who do you think the electorate will choose?

[JustAnotherGen]

181. +1

[RoccoR5955]

183. The only way that it will never happen

Is when folks of your ilk don't make any attempt. When WE THE PEOPLE get together behind something is when it happens. Bernie believes that there is a his support from WE THE PEOPLE.
Therefore he is neither gullible nor lying. Perhaps you can give me a couple ncretr example? Thanks

[tazkcmo]

132. I have a poll that say different.

Especially among Independents. Independents don't like HRC but they do like Sanders.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2311

He also wins by larger margins due to Independent support.

[concreteblue]

138. Wow. Are you sure you are on the right board?

We actually read links and sources over here. The link you posted actually is an argument AGAINST your claims. And your statement that Sanders "has no chance" flies in the face of ALL polling that is current.
Have a nice stay.

[eridani]

156. The same way he is getting so many of the 63%

Having a vision motivates the alienated.

[bullsnarfle]

165. I am an Independent, and

I am with Sanders. I also support single-payer (unlike a lot of Democrats, it seems?????)

BTW, I find your remark about I's not being able to "read between the lines and conduct their own research" pretty darn insulting.

[Thenewire]

170. If not for independents voting for republicans.

We wouldn't have the problem we face. The only reason why an independent would pick a republican over any democrat is on the basis of prejudice or disregard for the facts.

[roguevalley]

74. we can afford war but we can't afford peace, so sayeth HRC

[roguevalley]

78. how is it that they can live the lavish life and we can't have even the smallest consideration

how is it that they will have anything and everything THEY want and we can't have single payer and debt relief? The gall, the sterling gall that they fly on private jets while they work to ensure that we don't get basic services. What will SHE give up to stand in solidarity with us, the little people?

[hopemountain]

135. wish someone would say this to her face.

may i use this as my signature with credit to you?

[7962]

47. You know to never count out a Clinton

Even if both shoulders are on the mat, someone will pull the ref out of the ring before he counts 3

[votesparks]

59. And blow smoke in everyone's eyes while the refs aren't looking

[7962]

62. Thanks for getting the reference!

[Vattel]

113. It's all kabuki theatre.

[merrily]

54. From your keyboard to the ears of voters in poll booths.

[John Poet]

94. "No we can't". Hillary agrees with the GOP on that. eom

[trueblue2007]

95. CLINTON WAS AWESOME LAST NIGHT. You don't realize that because you hate her

you really need to stop hating our democratic candidates.

[RoccoR5955]

117. We don't hate her.

We simply see through her bovine fecal matter.

[smiley]

119. I thought she sounded like a typical politician

fake

[hopemountain]

137. awesome performance as a hard hearted

bully lacking dignity and without respect for truth.

[Iggy Knorr]

164. IT WAS PRETTY AWESOME

but not in the way you think, because hatred apparently. LOL

[olddots]

3. I think her slogan is

" No You Can't " she is a 1%er and we are peons .

[Kalidurga]

5. Yep

she has very publicly kicked us to the curb. She has shown she is not about to fight for the right to health care for people who are very poor or people who were middle class until treatment for a catastrophic illness wiped out their lifetime of saving.

[restorefreedom]

28. clinton 2016

eat your damn cake and like it!!

[davidpdx]

139. More like eat your cake and choke it down

[restorefreedom]

144. and don't call paramedics if you choke cuz they ain't comin nt

[Plucketeer]

49. Excellent!

I was just listening to Ed's daily podcast. Ed had on John Nichols as a guest and I was surprised to hear John opine that single payer just is not practical at this time in the USA. WTF??? ANY friggin' achievement starts with the FIRST STEP!

Shit - if Paul Ryan and turtle neck had the perfect single payer legislation drawn up and only needed a presidential signature, I guess THAT would be the perfect scenario under which we'd send Bernie to DC. But it's a certainty that Ryan and McDunncel aren't going to welcome Sanders with open arms. Heh - with "arms" maybe - but not with "open" ones!

No - every assualt on Everest starts with the first step. And we KNOW the perils of the climb when we takie that first step. But someone's gotta start that trek - that quest - and that someone is US. THIS is what Bernie's been trying to get thru our collective skulls. It's >WE< the people's job. And to hear the nay-talk from a supposed progressive like Nichols, points up how soundly we've lost sight of our responsibilities.

[hifiguy]

121. Indeed. All of this.

She's got hers. The rest of us can beg for the crumbs.

[saidsimplesimon]

166. The remedy for "No You Can't"

There is strength in numbers for we among the 99%.

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[Proserpina]

6. Well, to pledge herself to specific positive goals would be so unlike a Clinton

that she'd need medical intervention.

"No, We Can't" makes an excellent opposition poster, especially as Hillary tries to snuggle with the Obama.

[7962]

48. True, maybe it should be "I'm not SURE we can" instead!

[libdem4life]

99. There is a certain "I've got mine, sucks to be you" attitude toward certain segments, to be sure. nt

[gordianot]

7. As someone who just leans Sanders this debate pushed me solidly in the Sanders camp.

Clinton's hair splitting was not helpful.

[Avalux]

8. Excellent post, you're 100% correct.

I've been through a lot in my life, and I've never listened to (or respected) anyone who tried to tell me I couldn't succeed at something so I better not even try.

Hillary is telling us that progressive change for the benefit of We The People ins't possible. How can anyone vote for that?

[global1]

10. We Would Have Never Gotten ACA If We Took Hillary's Attitude.....

One has got to make the attempt and not shut it down before the attempt.

I like people that have a vision to shoot for. Bernie inspires me.

[BillZBubb]

12. "How can anyone vote for that?"

A lot of people will because they've swallowed the DLC Kool-Aid: "Democrats can't win by demanding positive change, the best we can do is curb the excesses of the republicans."

Also, there are still a lot of conservative Democrats who support a vast, interventionist military. Hillary is their candidate.

[Avalux]

13. I think many of them are members here. n/t

[jwirr]

52. That "Democrats can't will ----" was proven untrue when

President Obama beat her in 2008. Most of us who voted for him believed his hope and change message was a progressive message. We voted for change. He tried but he also did not have what he needed to pull it off and he did not come back to the voters to ask for our help.

We voted for him because we THOUGHT that he was thinking the same thing we were. We voted against her because we KNEW she was not a progressive.

[antigop]

14. "How can anyone vote for that?" Easy.

If

1) you benefit from the status quo
2) haven't been burned (yet) by the status quo

[SoLeftIAmRight]

41. this is the heart of it

very sad observation - I pointed this out to a boss about 15 years ago - I gave the example of Brady (change of heart on guns)

Old bosses response - He was shot in the head - he can not think well - so he became a Democrat.

They are hopeless

[tabasco]

125. aaaannnnnd number 3:

3)You're a corporate "news" brainwashed imbecile.

[oasis]

9. Hillary: Sorry, I'm not the pie-in-the-sky candidate.

[99Forever]

67. More like...

...Queen of the Surrender Monkeys.

[libdem4life]

101. Good one.

[MrMickeysMom]

11. It's funny... Use Obama when needed...

Do a 180 degree turn on what we can do.

I'm supposed to over-look this because I'm a woman, though... No, I CANNOT!

[Cassiopeia]

15. Hillary is not a risk we can afford.

[Uncle Joe]

16. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, HerbChestnut.

[GummyBearz]

17. Someone good with photoshop needs to make this slogan into a graphic

A picture of Hillary with all the "no we can't" statements on it, similar in appearance to the Obama campaign poster. It would go viral

[GeorgeGist]

145. How about this ...

[Helen Borg]

18. Yes, we can't! Just to cover all bases, you know...

[TIME TO PANIC]

19. K & R !

[Geronimoe]

20. She is just taking orders from her

big campaign doners, like Obama, her best buddy. Universal non-profit healthcare is off the table.

Recall how nurses and doctors, advocating single payer, were arrested for asking to have a seat at the table.

[bvar22]

46. That was the head of the Committee, Max Baucus, ....

..who forbade the mention of Single Payer, and had the Doctors and Nurses tossed out and arrested.
For his treachery against the American People, Max was later awarded the Ambassadorship to China by President Obama.
This is a reward worth $MILLIONS.

[Rilgin]

102. To add to this

Buacus was important in the Senate as he chaired a committee but it was just one of many committees with a role in drafting and approving the attempt to reform health care. He was the chosen hit man to derail the public option which was "the compromise" given to single payer advocates in theory before being yanked out at the end when we were told that was not politically possible.

I am pretty sure you Bvar know but most people do not know that Nancy Pelosi worked hard and managed to pass the ACA with a public option out of the house fully a year before the Senate finally had a bill that could go to reconciliation. I am sometimes critical of Pelosi but this is something she did that was great and required the type of pressure that Obama never used to wrangle the democratic house members into voting for it. Again, the house bill had a public option and this was the bill that was reconciled against the Senate a year later. It was not easy for her to get this Bill passed and she managed to do it which tells us all that with someone of power (speaker, president, majority leader) pushing his caucus things can be possible (not definite but definitely possible).

Obama's failure was a failure to support this bill and pressure the Senate to consider the house bill. We can not know for sure how it would have worked out and if we would have ended up with the compromise public option but Obama took the exact opposite path. The white house declared that the House bill would not be the basis of the end bill and that whatever bill Baucus drafted would be the basis. This was putting a declared opponent of the public option in charge of drafting the bill and guaranteed that we would not have a Public Option in the final bill.

So one reason that Baucus became important is because Obama emphasized his importance rather than pressured him.

[bvar22]

109. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas also played a pivotal obstructionist role.

In fact, in the 2010 election, she was campaigning as the one who killed the Public Option.
Like old Max, she was also rewarded by the Obama Administration for her "obstruction".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4585927

I don't believe Obama ever intended to have a Public Option. He "borrowed" that idea from Edwards
because it was polling so well, and he could ridicule Hillary without mercy for NOT including a Public Option in HER plan. Immediately after stepping into the Oval Office, he started downplaying and back walking the necessity of the Public Option "to keep them honest".


I wonder if Hillary ever realized that Obama passed HER plan (Mandate w/o a Public Option),
the one he openly ridiculed with no mercy during the debates, and insisted it would NOT work.
I would have been pretty pissed.

Paraphrasing 2008 Candidate Obama during a nationally televised debate:
If forcing people to buy insurance worked, we could solve homelessness the same way.
Mandate that homeless people buy a house.
Hahahahaha from the audience,
and another humiliating debate experience for Hillary.

[Rilgin]

111. Totally Agree

Your post reminds us all that Obama's campaign heal care plan was NO mandate and A public option. We ended up with NO public option and A mandate.

I think your assertion that Obama never wanted the public option even though he ran on it is true and somewhat reinforced by my last post on his rejection of the House Bill which contained a Public Option which would seem to be a bill that the campaign Obama could get behind even though it also had a mandate. The fact that he immediately rejected it and turned it over to the Senate finance committee shows he really did not support a public option.

With respect to the mandate itself, Obama dropped his objection to the mandate pretty fast which makes sense as an intellectual matter. I say that because within the corporate concept of health insurance, if you are going to end pre-existing conditions as an insurance concept you really do need some form of a mandate so as to spread risk amongst a broad swath of healthy and unhealthy. The solution of course is to get rid of private insurance and go to health care as a right provided by the federal government providing a seamless risk pool of the whole nation with very little cost of developing or selling the risk pool or determining eligibility. Administrative costs all relate to the actual health condition and if it is covered and preventing fraud (administrative cost still in a private insurance).

[beltanefauve]

171. I agree

with you and bvar22 on all points.

I'm not sure how (or why) Max Baucus got to be in the position he was in, but if you check opensecrets.org, you'll see that he was in the top three for contributions from the health insurance industry. So the whole thing was rigged from the start.

[appalachiablue]

21. ~ NO WE CAN'T! NO WE CAN'T! USA! USA! ~

Has a certain ring to it...

CANADA can have good things but the US CAN'T.

[zentrum]

57. Thanks for this^^^^

[appalachiablue]

70. For sure. *Canadian politician TOMMY DOUGLAS (1904-1986) who I did a couple

OPs on in the last 2 days was a social democrat, visionary achiever who advanced many progressive policies in Canada esp. single-payer universal healthcare that he implemented in Saskatchewan as Premier and enacted nationally in 1966.
------
There's a very important *OP on the DU Home Page now-news of the coming loss of 5 million jobs! from 3-D printing and robotic advances in the next 5 years.

*People need to take note of this:

--> DU Home Page, *"BIOTECH 3-D PRINTING TO LEAD TO 5M FEWER JOBS" (in the next 5 years), AFP/Yahoo News.

[Attorney in Texas]

22. Clinton 2016 - "It's Good Enough for You!"

[7962]

50. HA!

[Arugula Latte]

92. "Be Grateful for the Crumbs I'm Willing to Throw You."

[Attorney in Texas]

93. LOL!

[hifiguy]

122. The common touch of Marie Antoinette

and the humility of Napoleon.

[4dsc]

23. Don't count her out as she has over half the delegates needed already

Super delegates are already in her camp giving a huge majority to start with. Perhaps though they'll see Bernie popularity and switch sides.

[restorefreedom]

27. in this climate, if the supers even think

they are going to steal if for bernie, even if they legally can, they can say goodbye to the ge, the downticket races, and the party itself. and it gives bernie a reason for a legitimate third party run, which he would probably win

[retrowire]

33. If Hillary wins because of superdelegates

Then consider me full democratic socialist. I'll be voting green or some shit everytime.

I'll vote Hillary if it means avoiding Trump. But that's all.

[liberalnarb]

38. CAREFUL

You might upset the boys upstairs.

[retrowire]

40. Learning my political leanings,

I'll likely vote blue every time or not vote at all. I cannot fathom voting red, ever.

[liberalnarb]

44. Oh, voting red will NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER be on the table.

Jesus that never crossed my mind. I meant I always vote Dem instead of third party (Green, Socialist, ect.) No, NEVER THE RIGHT WING. When it comes to American Political Parties it better dead then rethuglican red.

[rhett o rick]

141. Does that mean a write-in if HRC steals the nomination? nm

[liberalnarb]

143. Write in for who?

[mdbl]

153. LOL because any republican would be better than Lieberman

He really turned into a big douche bag eh?

[liberalnarb]

154. NO!

I would never vote republican EVER. I meant third party. God no, never republican!

[restorefreedom]

91. i think if they go nuclear they know they are toast

for a long time to come.

[nashville_brook]

100. won't happen.

don't worry.

[MisterP]

79. if they pull that particular trigger the party will have openly said that it doesn't matter what the

vote is, that they can Putsch their way to a massive GE loss, that Florida 2000 had made them angry only because they hadn't thought of it first

it'll immediately go to SCOTUS, immediately become 24/7 news, and send shockwaves that will make the bosses lose control completely at the moment they thought they'd won everything in spite of it all; the party will have told everyone to "sit down and shut up" for 23 years running and now there's a few hundred million of us that are simply not gonna

[restorefreedom]

90. yup. exactly. my guess is they will play it stealthily

pretend to support bernie but behind the scenes try and get trump elected. i read someone here a while ago say if bernie is the nom, the party will "cede" the ge and focus in downticket. yeah, good luck with that...if people don't come out for bernie, the downtickets are toast.

[MisterP]

97. again, they'd give up power for control, and is also exactly the same stunt the Center

pulled in 30s Germany; Sanders is going to have to clean house so much it might distract him from policy

it's a nightmare combination of self-sabotage and amoral power-hunger

[restorefreedom]

107. going to be a big mess for him to clean up

fortunately, he is up to the job and will pick the best people to assist him.

[SheilaT]

77. The only delegates Clinton currently has

are perhaps half of the Superdelegates. Maybe 350. Out of 2,240 needed for the nomination.

You might want to review how to calculate percentages.

[Zorra]

25. Well, it's a lock that we definitely can't do anything but get beat down even

more if Hillary is nominated.

[restorefreedom]

26. bernie is exuding positivity and activism.

and wants us all to work together for greatness. she is defeatist and pushing people to stay down and be happy about it

people need positivity

thats why bernie is gonna win

[Quixote1818]

29. This is so spot on! nt

[retrowire]

31. I'm sorry Hillary.

I've got too much faith in America's original promise.

[ejbr]

34. Yet the common retort to our goal-setting is

"how can you get it done?" So, by not knowing how, we should give up before starting. With that attitude, she would not even be able to RUN for president as a woman! We wouldn't have reached the moon. No airplanes, no cars, no trains, and so on. The battle must start somewhere even if a victory seems completely unlikely; otherwise, we have lost before even trying.

[Live and Learn]

35. K&R The Can't Do campaign. nt

[UglyGreed]

36. K/R

[Betty Karlson]

37. That's not a Debbie Downer campaign: it's a Debbie Wassermann Schutz campaign! eom

[valerief]

42. That's freakin' hilarious. And so true.

[Jarqui]

43. I love the top post. It really resonates with me. Thank you ...

Doesn't anyone recall her hammering Obama's healthcare efforts during the 2008 election? "Shame on you Barack Obama" for criticizing her plan. And now it's fine to criticize Bernie's single payer, while she loves Obama's healthcare so much she wants to expand on it? (and let the .1% of Americans without healthcare who miss out on that expansion die - it is a tough climb to single payer but at least Bernie's going to fight for them)

In 2008, she was Annie Oakley on guns. Now?

I could go on and on.

I swear that if you presented a black automobile tire to Hillary, she could argue relentlessly that it was really white all along if doing so would get her any more votes.

That BS is such a turnoff to me, she's not much better than the GOP.

The more this campaign has gone on, the more confident I've become in Bernie Sanders and my confidence in Hillary Clinton has fallen along with that.

[Cassiopeia]

163. It's closer to 10% of Americans without health insurance

Today. Many more than that have insurance, but its essentially useless to them because it is a catastrophic only policy that would still bankrupt them if used.

The aca helped a few, especially the corporate execs in the insurance and pharma industries.

[Vinca]

45. I can't stand the throwing in the towel mentality.

If we aren't going to strive to make things better for average people, we might as well all join the GOP and send our money directly to the 1%.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

51. "No We Can't" is sounding a lot like "Stay the course."

[merrily]

53. She's a sensible progressive. Bailing out Wall Street banksters-no prob. Perpetual war-doable.

Free tuition in public institutions funded by a tiny Wall Street transaction tax. What? Are you out of your damned mind?

[onecaliberal]

55. I don't know what is attractive about no healthcare improvements,

No economic improvement or living wages for working people. No peace agreements to avoid war, because we have to be afraid of our own shadow.
I feel like ive been transported to an alternate universe.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

56. It's sad but true

Having Bernie challenge her now is making Hilary's positions clear. It hurts -- if she becomes the nominee the general may be close -- but at least we know now and not after the primaries are over.

[Bohunk68]

65. Thank you Last Lib. Just what we needed!

[hifiguy]

123. Shamelessly swiped

for reposting as appropriate.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

58. Another is, "It's either me or the Republicans win!"

[MisterP]

60. she really thinks attacking SS and Medicare are great moves that'll double her audience

because that's what the GOP pushes and half the people vote for them, so just split the difference and you're golden

that "Debbie Downer" thing is actually accurate (and used against DWS): for '10, '12, and '14 they 1. alternated between delirious promises of 99 Senators and 500 Reps, then swinging to "better luck next time"; 2. already picked out this or that bloc to preblame; 3. fudged and sabotaged numerous primary and even GE campaigns, sacrificing power for control

[libdem4life]

104. I've been wondering what the election efforts of the DWS/HRC will show. With such a tight

sisterhood there has to be some carryover. They've both crapped in their nests, as I see it.

[thereismore]

61. Man that's so true. Devastating really.

And yet she wraps herself in Obama. I don't think it will work.

[Arugula Latte]

66. She never seems to learn.

It's like it's always 1994 in her mind.

[PatrickforO]

68. I'm thinking this will cost her the election.

I admit to a certain bias, but I think Bernie walked away with it, and the nomination, last night.

[Auggie]

69. Just watched the debate and I wholeheartedly agree

[AgingAmerican]

72. Her reasoning for not wanting single payer was puzzling

"We can't have single payer because we can't have another debate on healthcare!"

Defeatism.

[TheFarS1de]

105. If only she took the same view with wars .

[Still In Wisconsin]

80. "Hey 99% Americans: you can't have nice things so shut up and vote for me." -love, Hillary

With Democrats like Shillary who needs Republicans?

[xocet]

81. If Hillary were in "This Modern World", I think she would be a very sensible woodchuck democrat.

Beyond this and as an aside, it should be noted that the Hillary Clinton Group is mighty sensitive. It took only one post and a subsequent, deferential exchange of a couple of posts in response to a trending OP that showed Michael Moore both praised and criticized Sec. Clinton to be banned from that group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=34776

[hifiguy]

85. That group is policed with a vigor

And thoroughness that the Stasi would have envied.

[xocet]

86. Das ist mir jetzt ganz klar! (That is totally clear to me now!) n/t

[Thor_MN]

149. Two sides to that coin.

I was banned from the Sanders for daring to suggest that no one deserved blind faith. Not a criticism of Sanders, just saying that blind faith was not owed to anyone.

Both sides are sniping at each other, just what the GOP could only dream of occurring.

I like both candidates, for different reasons. I think either of them could win over any GOP candidate, if the rabid supporters don't piss off too many mainstream people.

[xocet]

175. May the Democratic Party candidates win in this next election! That is about all one can say. n/t

[Dems to Win]

82. Sadly, No We Can't has been America's motto for years now

Universal health care? No we can't

High speed rail coast to coast? No we can't

Wholesale rapid transition to clean energy? No we can't

the list goes on

Bernie is telling us we CAN have the same standard of services as other rich countries, if we DEMAND them.

It's a message I'm willing to vote for.

[nashville_brook]

103. it's the Apathy Singalong....

Everybody join in...

where'd 'ya go...??

[Nedsdag]

83. Her slogan should be the following:

"Yes We Can...On My Terms."

[hifiguy]

84. I'm sure the money can be found, however,

For War Eternal and another Wall Street bailout when the time comes.

[appalachiablue]

168. +1. Bernie brought up the massive US military budget in this debate, verboten and

I was glad to see it. Maybe some minds were opened, a bit.

[cui bono]

87. That's what her supporters on DU keep saying.

Maybe instead of parroting that talking point in order to support the corporate candidate they should get behind the candidate who is actually going to work to do those things, since they claim they want them but they are simply being pragmatic. Except for those who are now openly arguing against single-payer.



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[Fast Walker 52]

88. Hillary's chant

What do we want?
Incremental change!
When do we want it?
Very slowly over several years, if at all!!!

[AzDar]

89. K & R

[nashville_brook]

98. fired up and ready to fold

[DFW]

106. I must have wandered on to RU by mistake n/t

[Progressive dog]

108. Hillary understands reality,

she refuses to tilt at windmills.
If most Americans actually want these things all they have to do is vote for representatives who will listen. So far, they haven't. Voting is the only poll that counts.

[corkhead]

112. Hopefully it costs her the nomination before she has a chance of it costing her the election

[RoccoR5955]

114. I'm stealing your post.

I am going to post it everywhere I can think of.

[HerbChestnut]

115. Go right ahead.

[hopemountain]

136. thanks!

will be doing the same.

[SoapBox]

118. True!

OMG! It is indeed a No We Can't campaign.

Thanks for confirming what was in the back of my mind.

[Paka]

120. K&R

Enough is enough! When we stand together we can and we will. She can take that "No We Can't" and go far away to another galaxy.

[hifiguy]

124. Good thing JFK didn't feel that way

about going to the moon. Preemptive surrender is not a strategy.

[saltpoint]

127. Indeed. eom

[WillyT]

128. Word !!! - This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things...

[hifiguy]

129. As I said elsewhere.

The common touch of Marie Antoinette and the humility of Napoleon (who crowned himself Emperor of the French).

[WillyT]

131. Ouch !!! - LOL !!!

[hifiguy]

134. Spread it around.

One of my better coinages, IMO.

[saltpoint]

126. Hillary's campaign could probably use

some zing. Evidently it has lots of money. But it hasn't bought any zing with all that dough.

Also they could use a unifying theme. In recent days here we learn she's the "heir" to Obama's presidency. Uh, no. No zing. Stupid theme.

They could have Chelsea state that she isn't motivated by money at all. Maybe a campaign ad could be whipped together with Chelsea renouncing money as she walks home to her $10.5 million dollar apartment. No zing. Though plenty of ka-ching.

[hifiguy]

130. It's all about the $$$

and absolutely nothing else.

[saltpoint]

133. Yep. The Clintons are no strangers to

the marketplace.

[hopemountain]

140. a living wage? no we can't!

for at least another 10 years. now is not the time!

[rhett o rick]

142. Supporting the Military Industrial Complex, YES WE CAN. nm

[Kip Humphrey]

146. more like, "No We Won't"

[Bernblu]

147. No we can't but I can rake in millions in speaking fees.

[John Poet]

148. No We Can't!

You inspired me!

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Another favorite...

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[senz]

150. Traditional Democratic values? No. We. Can't.

"Goldman Sachs won't let me."

[Hoyt]

151. Sanders introduced a single payer bill in 2009 -- it died, as did Vermont's attempt to enact SP.

We'd all but assuredly be better off with SP, but people don't understand that, especially when tax increases are proposed.

[eridani]

157. In 2009, marriage equality wasn't doing so well either

What good are gutless people who refuse to fight for positive goods?

[Hoyt]

173. He can keep coming back with the same old dead legislation, go home and celebrate his bravado, while

nothing gets done. He'll fit right in with the GOPers who won't budge to get something worthwhile enacted.

[eridani]

177. By all means let's never demand anything from our government for the 99%

No We CAN'T!!! Marriage equality was hopeless in 2009, and is the law of the land now. How do you suppose that changed?

[Hoyt]

178. By all means, let's stand firm and fail on this one.

[eridani]

179. Like legal MJ and marriage equality, you fail until you succeed

Enough with gutless wusses already!

[HerbChestnut]

158. No We Can't!

[sellitman]

152. GOP Light

Just like Bill.

[Enthusiast]

155. Kicked and recommended! I was happy to cast the 300th recommendation.

This OP should have 300 more.

[billhicks76]

159. She Squints A Lot

Like a psycho

[punkvoterdewd]

160. Yes we can!

Can't wait to get my free stuff!

Go Bernie!

[Rider3]

167. Hillary

First, she thought she could just cruise into being president, and she didn't really try very hard. She just assumed the post was hers. Now, we have Bernie in there, who has proven over and over again that he has nothing to hide, and he's not owned by anyone. Hillary's has taken to extremes to fight back. But, she's too deep and too "owned" by others to really make the middle class a priority.

[Fawke Em]

174. Nope

[Maedhros]

176. Hillary is Big Money's firewall.

The Republicans are in disarray, so they need a Democrat to keep the people from stopping them.

[deutsey]

182. She, of all people, knows who really runs the show

and she knows there's no better way to curry their favor than to wholeheartedly push their agenda.

[RoccoR5955]

184. Here's my contribution to the meme!