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Rilgin

(787 posts)
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 07:51 PM Jan 2016

Vote with your head. Vote for the candidate with the highest unfavorables in entire race -- WTF

Have had some discussions but still waiting for a single Hillary Supporter to help me understand the following. Understand this is not a comparison to Bernie's elect ability issues. Just as the following should be clear, Bernie has his own vulnerabilities to Republican attack. I am not here to debate whether he is a good candidate or not. This post is just about the Hillary supporter claims that she is a good candidate and one of my deepest problems with Hillary is that her ambition and style of politics forced all others out of the race when we might have had someone closer to Bernie's politics but without the label of social democrat.

What I would like some Hillary supporter to directly address is the following. How:

1. A candidate with the highest unfavorables amongst all (both Democratic and Republican) candidates is a highly electable candidate understanding the historical correlation between electability and unfavorable ratings.

2. A candidate who has already lost a Democratic party primary which she was an overwhelming favorite to win can generate any excitement within the Democratic Party. Regardless of whether she holds on to become the candidate or not, it should be clear even for the most partisan Hillary supporter that significant portions of the Democratic Party coalition do not like or want her. She is hated by the Republican party, inspires no independants and causes no excitement in half of the Democratic Party.

Her use of the head and heart is to say the head demands the best candidate to defend against the Republicans or to obtain half full glasses. It is not saying anything positive about chasing our ideals which would be the heart. There is really no other interpretation of her claim.

However if the head was talking to a candidate who had the above characteristics would it not say to withdraw from the race or to have made the initial decision NOT to run. It is only Hillary's heart not her head that told her to run. Her heart wanted to satisfy its ambition rather then provide the Democratic Party with the best candidate to keep the Republican Party from office.

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Vote with your head. Vote for the candidate with the highest unfavorables in entire race -- WTF (Original Post) Rilgin Jan 2016 OP
When it comes to Hillary, here's how I 'vote with my head' 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #1
I do not vote for lady parts nor for hair do's angstlessk Jan 2016 #2
Crickets. Guess these continue to be uncomfortable questions for Hillary Suporters (NT) Rilgin Jan 2016 #3
Theory of Reasoned Action ... look it up. JoePhilly Jan 2016 #4
Total Pile of.... CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #5
Total pile of decades of attitudinal research. JoePhilly Jan 2016 #6
Please tell me when historically Rilgin Jan 2016 #8
It's really quite simple for me Kilgore Jan 2016 #7

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
2. I do not vote for lady parts nor for hair do's
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jan 2016

I vote for the person I WANT to function as our president...and that person is Bernie Sanders.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
4. Theory of Reasoned Action ... look it up.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jan 2016

It explains why surveys asking questions about abstract concpts (like "Favorability) have no predictability in terms of the actions (like voting) that people will perform.

The best predictors for how people will act (eg., vote), are questions asking them about how they will vote.

The reason you want to focus on abstract concepts like favorability is because the better predictors of behavior (voting) do not come out the way you want.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
5. Total Pile of....
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 11:14 PM
Jan 2016

ALL Criteria with regard to HillBill is of a VERY NEGATIVE variety. THAT is ALL that anyone with half a brain needs to know. She is roundly disliked and disparaged by a significant cohort of American voters of ALL party registrations.

She will IF nominated not inspire people to come out and vote for her however she WILL inspire a significant cohort of Indys and ordinarily soft less ardent Republicans... TO VOTE AGAINST HER!

A significant cohort of Dems WILL stay home or leave her spot on the ballot blank.

Yep, nominate Clinton Incorporated and elect a Republican. That my friend is a CERTAINTY!

PS What I pointed out above spares the sordid details of which there are volumes.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
6. Total pile of decades of attitudinal research.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 11:20 PM
Jan 2016

Your use of bold and italics and underlines does not refute the actual science on this topic.

Rilgin

(787 posts)
8. Please tell me when historically
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:25 AM
Jan 2016

The person with negative favorability ratings across the general population has won an election.

You can not. That is 100% correlation.

Of course this early in an election, no polls are exact. Polls of who you will vote for or who will win are somewhat meaningless with respect to the election this far out. The same is somewhat true of current favorability. Favorability this far out is also not a perfect predictor. However, again if you look historically, its got a pretty high correlation when compared to general poll numbers.

Hillary's problems are she is a known public figure. Her favorability has almost no where to go. Again, you do not address my two questions. How does she win with negative favorability and how do you think she can excite the democratic voting public enough to win.

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