NEW POLL: Sanders poll numbers up in African American and Hispanic communities!!!

[uponit7771]

African Americans and Hispanics are .....

... still NOT feeling the Bern...

not at all... Sanders is up 3 points... to a whopping 21% while HRC's spread increases to 50...she's now at 71% up 7 points from last December.

http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/4d7b2106-b632-4b79-a6ed-7afc73902d4c.pdf

NATIONAL DEMOCRATS: Support by Key Groups
January 2016 December 2015

C S adv C S adv
White 43-43 0 56-33 +23
Black/Latino 71-21 +50 61-18 +43

So after 6 months Sanders is still not broken past 25% (avg) with blacks and Hispanics, his poll numbers among blacks and Hispanics have doubled from less than ten to now twenty-ish?!

People in these communities here on DU and elsewhere offered up and said they were NOT both "feeling" the Bern but not "hearing" it either...

I'm disillusioned, there were enough people speaking up and speaking out... and offering a myriad of perspective ... that should've broken Sanders past...

and 21%....sigh..... Is there a precedent in the past for someone doubling these kinda of numbers with voting block in 3 months?

What could Sanders do better?

Either way

I feel if this doesn't work out for Sanders we'll be blamed for this

... too

Your take?

tia

[loyalsister]

1. Despite what some would have you believe, Sanders endorses reparations

This is what people are calling for at the grass roots level. The people Hillary couldn't be bothered to answer to when they gathered in Iowa recently. Someday people will see that her support among African Americans is not where the numbers really are.

The Prison Divestment Campaign began in 2011 from the need to launch a comprehensive strategy to decriminalize immigrants and people of color, end detention, end mass incarceration, and demilitarize the border. It was not only Politicians that we needed to target, but also Private Prisons and Wall Street who were the other powerful force behind mass incarceration, the police state, immigrant detention, and deportation. The Campaign has since expanded, looking at how the private prison industry works to divide communities of color. We are building strong multiracial coalitions, emphasizing Black and Brown unity, to combat mass incarceration and immigration enforcement. Enlace brings together organizations working on immigrant rights, criminal justice, another social justice groups to end mass incarceration and achieve legalization for all immigrants.

http://prisondivest.com/

[artislife]

2. This Latina is for Bernie.

One thing you may want to look up is how good we are at actually voting. As a whole.

[loyalsister]

4. I keep saying Hillary's support is not as deep as some seem to think

When an individual gets some personal attention from a candidate they may feel important and valued, and that's a reason to endorse. It is my understanding that Clinton is at her best in that kind of interaction.

Bernie has been able to make masses feel important and valued. As you point out, that's where the votes are.

[JustAnotherGen]

5. I though he said last week that he wasn't

And that it was too divisive.


Maybe because he is going back to 1865 - whereas most black Americans who descend from slaves - are starting at the 1930's?

I can't relate to slavery - but Jim Crow - that boy was real.

[loyalsister]

6. Part of the divestinvest campaign is to use palatable language

A current visible need is to compensate felons and families for the injustice of mass incarceration. Like Jim Crow, it is a direct offshoot of the falsehood of abolition...

13th Amendment:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation

At the end of the day shutting down for profit prisons and investing in communities that have been plagued by mass incarceration can be argued to be reparations for slavery.

Getting white people to pay reparations without them knowing it is in the spirit of diplomacy (send someone to hell and have them enjoy the trip).

This is something that needs to happen because families are negatively affected. There is no sense in dragging out a long battle over the language and framing. I wonder how much could be done by EO, and if Clinton is willing?

[JustAnotherGen]

7. I guess I would be happier

If he was providing a higher focus to the redlining practices that created the current situation in our inner cities and well - outer cities. That impacted more of us than incarceration - which to me was New Jim Crow and was a continuation of slavery (along with share cropping).

FHA was a liberal Democratic Presidents initiative. Democratic Party created it - Democratic Party has the onus of fixing it.

[loyalsister]

18. Good points

I met some people who are putting some energy into adressing redlining via lawsuits. I don't know how successful they have been, though.

I wish someone would publish a list of offending banks so that those of us who care can boycott them. Do you know if that exists anywhere?

[Empowerer]

25. Redlining is now illegal and lawsuits, while nice, don't really address the problem

Until just a few decades ago, redlining was not only legal, it was public and private POLICY. It was part of an intentional, structural racism that directly targeted African Americans and was fully supported, legally protected and actively encouraged by the U.S. government for generations. Not only did it help to produce the ghettos that trapped blacks into cycles of poverty, it is one of the primary reasons that black Americans were unable to accumulate and maintain wealth in the ways that generations of white Americans were able to do beginning after World War II.

[loyalsister]

27. Redlining built Ferguson, MO

Then the city created a parking ticket to prison pipeline.

[Empowerer]

30. It did in large part, along with other things

For example, a nearby black town, Kinloch, MO, was virtually destroyed to make way for an airport expansion (that never materialized) and, as a result, many of its black residents were pushed into Ferguson - and even those who could afford to live anywhere in town were steered into very limited, depressed black areas by redlining banks, with federal government complicity.

This is an example of the kind of systematic discrimination - long after the end of slavery - that supports the call for reparations.

[loyalsister]

32. Agreed

The dilemma is how to get more white people to agree and agree openly. White fragility and comfortable white privlege are barriers since white people are in the majority in government.

I would happily take part in a campaign for reparations. It's right. It would be a spectacular sight to see tens of thousands or more white people march on Washington for reparations.

To add....

Chicago City Council Passes Landmark Police Torture Reparations Ordinance

Today, the Chicago City Council passed landmark legislation providing reparations for torture committed by former Chicago Police commander Jon Burge and detectives under his command. Forty-three years after Jon Burge tortured the first known detainee, a resolution providing compensation, restitution and rehabilitation to survivors passed with overwhelming support.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/press-releases/chicago-city-council-passes-landmark-police-torture-reparations-ordinance

Culturally, the idea of compensation for bodily harm makes sense to people. But, we aren't there yet when it comes to economic injustice. Especially when it is racially motivated. We have work to do!!

[uponit7771]

15. Most blacks can relate to the war on drugs and a overtly biased judcial system though

[JustAnotherGen]

49. He should start from a place

Of the 1930's.

Starting from slavery when most blacks have direct ties to Jim Crow is much better because it's something we can absorb our life and family experiences from. Running up North for crimes folks didn't commit or non crimes impacts people as young as Gen X today.

Most of our dads that grew up in the regime could tell us how they felt when Emmett was murdered - and the kid was in no way, shape or form involved in drugs.

[uponit7771]

52. +1, yeap... this seems easy enough... people want to over complicate the issue so they don't have

... to address it

[Empowerer]

11. You should let him know that since he seems to think he doesn't endorse them

He must be confused but maybe you can set him straight about his position ...

[loyalsister]

26. The current reparations campaign focuses on a divest - invest strategy

Divest funds from private prison (starve the beast) and invest in people of color by investing in their neighborhoods, education, and well being.

Avoiding the word reparations is a PR strategy to work to make something happen that can begin to build opportunities for the families who have been affected by mass incarceration.

Bernie gets it.

http://prisondivest.com/

[JustAnotherGen]

50. That's only one reparations approach

Its not THE one.

Stay awoke though - the more of us there are - the better.

[Art_from_Ark]

8. More race-baiting shit

Don't you ever get tired of slinging shit?

[uponit7771]

16. You know when someone responds to naked facts with "that's racist" then...

... they have a

[Number23]

34. Look at the folks calling you that and then wear that "race baiter" pejorative as the fucking badge

of honor that it is. And I SINCERELY mean that.

All you have to do is look at the folks tossing these terms around to see that it's their way of stomping their feet at you for bringing something to their attention that they would have been happy as hell pretending to never see.

[madokie]

9. My take is

Sanders doesn't have the name recognition like Hill does but as the press and his campaign gets out more that all is changing as what you posted is proof of. We're still a long way from the general election and if what has happened in the last two special elections in Oklahoma has shown it is that people are fed up with the status quo. We're looking for change and Senator Bernie Sanders is that person we're seeing as that change. Hang in there and work to get him elected and I promise your lot in life will get much better as will mine and everyone else here. Hell the whole country, shit not just our country but the whole world will benefit from a Sanders Presidency. The man is genuine in his quest to make life better for all of us. The 1% can go to hell for all I and he cares.

Forget Hillary she is more of the same and we're sick and tired of the same

[Empowerer]

12. He's managed to attract support of white voters with the same name recognition

Black folks aren't ignorant or ill-informed. Maybe they know who he is, what he stands for and what his platform is and just prefer Hillary Clinton.

[madokie]

13. We'll see how that turns out

Personally I can't for the life of me understand how anyone can support Hillary over Bernie Sanders. Yes Hillary over any of the 'CONs but not over Sanders.

[Empowerer]

14. That's a difference between us

I prefer Clinton to Sanders but I don't assume that my preference is the only rational one and would never say that I can't believe that anyone would support a particular candidate over mine. I recognize that people are different - they come from different places, have different backgrounds, experiences, perspectives and points of view. An inability to understand why someone might feel differently than they do reflects poorly on the person having the comprehension problem, not on the person they don't have the ability to understand and aren't interested in understanding.

[Mufaddal]

19. I'm not sure it amounts to ignorant or ill-informed

He just doesn't have the same name and branding in the black community. On the other hand, you're totally right: it's possible that black and Latino voters know Bernie really well, and simply prefer Hillary.

Of course, we often say that working class white Americans vote against their own interests when going for Republican candidates, so we would also have to say it's equally possible that poor white voters know who Donald Trump is, what he stands for, and just prefer him.

[Empowerer]

21. I say that about Trump voters all the time

I'm not one to wring my hands about Republican voters "voting against their interests," because I don't think that's accurate. Trump's voters are not voting against their interests at all. They may be voting against certain of their economic interests, but they have other interests that Trump is advancing perfectly well. They know exactly what Trump stands for and they prefer him for reasons that go beyond economics.

[Number23]

35. That is a fantastic point.

Trump's voters are not voting against their interests at all. They may be voting against certain of their economic interests, but they have other interests that Trump is advancing perfectly well.

Well said.

[Tommy2Tone]

51. Thanks for stating what I was thinking.

Those poor people of color just don't know who he is. When someone tells them they will all crossover to feel the Bern.

[uponit7771]

17. I put 6 months ago for a reason, that was 6 months ago... that's not now.. black politico

... isn't ignorant

[Number23]

37. It's been longer than six months. He announced in May 2015

[uponit7771]

38. Yeap, ... the "they don't know him" shouldn't be so much of an issue now especially in SC...

... seems like his numbers aren't fairing that much there either

[NCTraveler]

10. For those paying attention,...

His support of Paul's Tea Party legislation was a real eye opener. I believe his numbers will go down further as more people become aware of it. Joining forces with Paul to give conservatives the ability to further politicize monetary policy will hurt POC and Latinos more than anyone else. It was truly a vote in support of class warfare. It was a vote to further entrench opressive conservative monetary policy.

[Dawson Leery]

22. +1,000,000

Elizabeth Warren voted against the bill for the same reasons.
I have no respect for anyone who gets into bed with far right militia supporter nuttery.

[retrowire]

24. "I have no respect for anyone who gets into bed with far right militia supporter nuttery."

So you're for Hillary?

[KittyWampus]

42. I have no idea what you are referring to. Could you please give me more to go on?

If you have a chance? Thanks!

[Live and Learn]

20. My take, he's been campaigning in mostly rural white states. Soon to change.

Don't worry everybody including poc will benefit from a Sander's presidency and as soon as they hear him they know it.

[retrowire]

23. Thanks for speaking for minorities

when you say they aren't feelin' the Bern.

[uponit7771]

39. Red herring, it was a poll and not me speaking at all... facts matter

[retrowire]

46. I don't recall the poll making the following comment.

"African Americans and Hispanics are .....

... still NOT feeling the Bern..."

was that the poll or you? lol

[uponit7771]

55. The poll, 21% after 7 months is dismal... I did ask for perspective though... has anyone else...

...picked their numbers up to at least the 40s in a really short time?

[Gothmog]

28. From the article cited in OP

Sanders is not making headway with these groups

However, Clinton has held onto high levels of support from two crucial groups. Voters over the age of 50, who make up the lion’s share of the actual primary electorate, continue to support her over Sanders by a substantial 64% – 24% margin, similar to her 67% – 16% lead among this group in December. Furthermore, black and Latino voters, who will comprise a large share of the vote in South Carolina and Nevada as well as in many Super Tuesday states, solidly support her by a 71% – 21% margin, which is actually an increase over her 61% – 18% lead last month.

[Gothmog]

29. New Poll Shows ‘Surging’ Sanders Losing Ground With the Voter Group He Needs Most

And Sanders is still not polling well with African American or Latino voters and so maybe he needs to change what he is doing http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/poll-sanders-gains-stop-short-of-minorities.html#

Team Sanders is certainly focused on the problem, with a variety of campaign efforts focused on minority voters in the works. The talking points they are putting out there, however, are less than convincing, as I learned as a guest on the public radio show "To the Point" yesterday, when I heard a Sanders supporter argue that an Iowa win would greatly boost Bernie's African-American support just like it did for Obama in South Carolina in 2008. The idea that Sanders's potential to win the black vote in South Carolina is analogous to that of the first African-American president does not pass the laugh test. Still, any early-state win for Sanders, even in exceptionally honkified Iowa and New Hampshire, will likely create some sort of generalized bounce. The question is how high, and how loyal minority voters prove to be to Hillary Clinton, her husband, and her implicit ally Barack Obama. It's worth remembering that she defeated Barack Obama handily among Latinos in 2008, and that Bill Clinton enjoyed robust support in both communities.

Monmouth University has a new national poll out that casts some fascinating, if very preliminary, light on this subject. Compared to its poll in December, Monmouth shows Sanders making pretty big gains: Clinton was up 59-to-26 last month, and only 52-to-37 now. But among black and Latino voters, Clinton has actually expanded her lead from 61-to-18 to 71-to-21. In other words, a legitimate "Sanders surge" nationally has coincided with a deterioration of his standing with the voters he will most need for a breakthrough after the first two contests of the primary season.

Sanders is actually losing ground with African American voters and Sanders' current tactics are not evidently working.

Sanders will not be the nominee unless he can expand his base of supporters. Super Tuesday will be a long day for Sanders. Vermont is one of the last states with 90+% white voting populations

[Empowerer]

31. He may want to rein in some of his supporters

Many of them are the worst possible surrogates if he's hoping to build up support in the black community - and unfortunately for him, the most obnoxious and offensive ones also seem to be the loudest and most aggressive, drowning out other supporters who could actually make some inroads.

[Gothmog]

33. There is an old saying that I believe in

I think that this applies http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/07/06/never-interfere/

Never Interfere With an Enemy While He’s in the Process of Destroying Himself

[OilemFirchen]

45. That presumes that he thinks of them as a liability.

Until recently, it appeared that he was merely ignorant or dismissive of the animosity toward the black community displayed by far too many of his supporters. But then he said this at the last debate:

When the African American community becomes familiar with my congressional record and with our agenda and with our views on the economy and criminal justice, just as the general population has become more supportive, so will the African American community, so will the Latino community.

It's a more palatable explication of the trope that the black community is "ignorant", but it's not so different from the equally odious "they're uninformed". There's no reason to believe that the black (and latino) communities have been less exposed to his campaign than what he calls "the general population". I found it dismissive as fuck, and now believe that he finds some common ground with the elitist bomb-throwers backing him.

Add in the PP/HRC "blunder" and it compounds the uncomfortable feeling that he is more at one with them than had been assumed.

[Empowerer]

48. Hmmm. Interesting.

[uponit7771]

54. +1, also... it makes the case that Sanders isn't reaching out either. Its been 7 months since his

... campaign has began and I don't believe he still thinks black and Latino politico hasn't heard of him.

If they haven't then the onus is on him not those people, why hasn't he introduced himself and his policies?!!?

Its like the people around him are keeping him naked and tell him his Gator Boots look good

[B Calm]

36. Why?

[uponit7771]

40. I pray Sanders isn't asking the same question so far into this election year

[Sheepshank]

41. While Sander supporters are "out there" in the cyber world in full force....

...and while they continue to swarm and spread the Stockholm Syndrome rhetoric, and AA's are too stupid and too ungrateful to know how good Bernie is for them, and while he has the like of Cornell West harping out loud, Bernie can't get ahead in the AA and Hispanic vote. JMHO.

[uponit7771]

43. +1, Im thinking I don't want him or his staff near the white house, theyre startin to looks like the

... half time show.

Pound ground in SC with all that cash he has and put up a good fight, even if he loses folk will know he's going to stick around

but no... they put out a fairly IA / VT add , hug a random black guy (biggah) for credibility and allow Cornell West withing 2343 miles of them...

What the hell?!?!

[MellowDem]

47. My take...

is African Amercians are one of the most conservative demographics in the Democratic Party, and I don't think Bernie could ever win them. I don't blame African Americans for that, the reality is that we are a very conservative country.

Identity politics matter in every demographic group, and an old white Jewish dude who is really progressive will not make much inroads in some demographics. When Clinton started with so much support, I didn't think Sanders would ever be able to flip it, and won't.

Whites vote much more conservatively overall than African Americans, if people want to "blame" demographics, but I think that's stupid. There is no one to blame for why we are here now, it's just the facts that our country is very conservative, and a moderate conservative like Clinton is about the best the Democratic Party can do.

Ideological shifts take generations, and all we can do is make progressive ideas (like universal healthcare or getting rid of for profit prisons etc.) seem more appealing with every year.

I do blame our antiquated election system for there only being two choices, both pro-corporate, both neoconservative with foreign policy. I wish we had a parliamentary system.

[uponit7771]

53. Why isn't a relationship with CoC the main reason vvs all these others? Its like the relationship

... isn't as important as the votes.

Obama showed relationship credibility just by the district he served in ChiTown... that was enough... Obama wouldn't have been looked at if he was just another black conservative democrat.