2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumUPDATE: Sanders now WINNING Drudge poll?!
SANDERS 32.57% (336,757 votes)
TRUMP 31.77% (328,533 votes)
CRUZ 19.95% (206,262 votes)
RUBIO 5.15% (53,237 votes)
PAUL 3.39% (35,012 votes)
CARSON 1.48% (15,350 votes)
KASICH 1.38% (14,292 votes)
FIORINA 1.07% (11,027 votes)
CHRISTIE 1.06% (10,935 votes)
BUSH 0.94% (9,687 votes)
CLINTON 0.93% (9,574 votes)
SANTORUM 0.21% (2,142 votes)
O'MALLEY 0.1% (1,299 votes)
Total Votes: 1,034,107
Neither of the two people predicted to be the nominee in 2015 get even 1% of the vote.
The number of people with less than 2% is also pretty telling.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)I'm getting very suspicious of all these republicans and rightwing nuts all of a sudden giving Bernie the favorable news treatment
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Non-conservatives read Drudge. I'd suggest than many progressives do even. It is DEFINITELY right leaning, but his format is great for breaking news and catching up on the days big stories.
So, I don't think disliking Matt Drudge and his agenda and reading the Drudge Report are mutually exclusive.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)when I did then...!
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Doubt it will come back to that, but the fact it's so close on Drudge is definitely telling of what kind of pull Bernie can potentially have(and already has) with a lot of die-hard conservatives.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)to know what people like Cruz and Trump and Paul and even the Koch's ACTUALLY think about Sanders...
riversedge
(70,330 posts)SamKnause
(13,110 posts)Trump at 32.88%
Sanders at 31.99%
riversedge
(70,330 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)NO ONE is advocating against single payer. Hillary is saying Bernie's plan is not doable as is at this time.
Hillary tried to get us universal healthcare in the 1990s, while others did not. WHY on earth would you be trying to turn her into a healthcare opponent? That's for the BAD GUYS, and the truth is what it is.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)"Hillary Clinton declares war on single payer health care"
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34499-hillary-clinton-declares-war-on-single-payer-health-care
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)for universal healthcare.
Hillary cracked the dam in the 1990s, and at that time Hillary succeeded in her fight to provide single-payer coverage for children.
The Obama administration brought the dam down, and now we all know single payer is an inevitable evolution eventually -- in time. After all, we already have single payer for seniors, military personnel active and retired, veterans, disabled, and poor children.
ITM, Obamacare is a revolution. The GOP spits on it too.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)She continues to spread fear regarding single payer and is harming the fight in the long term for what she sees as short term political gain. Of course taxes are going to go up for single payer but, in the long run, families will save money on healthcare. By raising the spectre of taxes and not being honest regarding the savings, in addition to other half-truths, she has effectively neutered her ability to be taken seriously on any push for universal healthcare/single payer in the future. All anyone has to do is play back video from this primary season.
Circling back to your original point, what is more in-democratic - reading a right wing site and noting interesting trends in it or actively arguing and damaging progressive stances and values in the search for a few votes?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Give me a break. What a load of crap.
She is NOT for universal health care. (these days)
Iraq.
TPP.
KXL.
Syria
Libya
Yemen
Honduras
Saudi Arabia
Disparaging remarks about migrant children
Freaking out over gay parents changing their passports
Voting for a border fence.
NAFTA
Defended sanctity of marriage
Didn't believe NY state should recognize gay marriage
Against same sex marriage over all
3am racist ad against Obama
Doesn't support a living wage.
But she's a prgressive liberal, right? HELL NO.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)mcar
(42,388 posts)On DU than I've ever seen elsewhere.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Is that really so hard to figure out? They're so screwed they desperately need a massive stroke of good luck. Not that they're right in thinking Bernie'd be a complete walkover -- they misunderstand terribly the tenor of the times.
And if they can't take out Hillary out entirely, using Bernie to damage her before she goes into the general is very much a secondary objective.
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)riversedge
(70,330 posts)run over him if by some miracle he makes it as the Dem nominee. The RW has been helping them by running ads in Iowa and NH and on twitter they post comments with RW vile crap and lies -and use the hashtag 'feel the bern"!!
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)oasis
(49,426 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Interesting.
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EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)I get some of Hillary's twitter followers to vote her up in the poll... of course I'll have to go buy some first...
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)the important takeaway is that sanders, trump, and cruz are 1,2 and 3. this matches other polls and is very consistent with the antiestablishment vibe that is out there.
i still predict a sanders v trump general.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Fact is, it makes perfect sense today. Progressives are in the fight of our lives to stop this. The writing is on the wall and the conversations from back in Seattle were completely accurate.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)There are no redeeming factors here ... Nothing to be proud of, or to anchor a candidacy ...