2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTheir Boss Stays on the Sideline, but Obama Aides Tilt to Clinton
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WASHINGTON The two leading Democratic contenders for president are competing to wrap President Obama in a tight embrace. He is hugging only one of them back.
With Hillary Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont locked in an increasingly taut battle in the final days before the Iowa caucuses, both are laying claim to Mr. Obamas mantle, and to the young voters he turned out in 2008 and 2012. Mr. Sanders is selling himself as an insurgent in the spirit of Mr. Obama; Mrs. Clinton as the custodian of his legacy.
So far, legacy is winning out.
First Draft: Obamas Pledge on Gun Control Sets Off Skirmish Between Hillary Clinton and Bernie SandersJAN. 8, 2016
Mrs. Clintons eagerness to tie herself to her old boss most conspicuously in last Sundays debate has been gratifying to Mr. Obamas aides, given the tangled history between the president and his onetime rival turned lieutenant. His aides still view Mrs. Clinton as more electable and better qualified to protect his record than Mr. Sanders, though they have been impressed by the senators recent performance and unsettled by hers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/23/us/their-boss-stays-on-the-sideline-but-obama-aides-tilt-to-clinton.html
Hillary Clinton would be a fool to abandon Barack Obama's stellar legacy and Hugh and Dorothy Rodham didn't raise a fool.
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Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Shocking!
Empowerer
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are just a bunch of Establishment tools.
Unless, of course, they endorse Sanders - then they're infallible and pure as the driven snow.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Up to eight years. Hillary is really powerful if she can become "establishment" in eight years and Sanders hasn't in twenty five years, what is the problem?
Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)ETA: I would consider Clinton's years as first lady of Arkansas and the U.S., as well as her term as SoS, as being part of the establishment, since she played active roles. How many decades is that?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)The Brady Bill five times. NRA donated $18,000 to help defeat his opponent when he was elected to the house, ergo a sell out.
Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)Sanders took no money from the NRA and does not vote their way on assault rifles or background checks.
There are other candidates who take tainted money and vote the way the donors want. That's selling out.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Opponent, he rewarded them with his votes, that spells sell out.
Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)That's kind of the opposite of selling out.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Against the Brady Bill, ask him why he voted against the Brady Bill five times. Now he is changing his stand on gun issues since he is running for president.
Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)Wouldn't he stay "sold out"? You seem to be implying that the NRA influenced him to vote a certain way, but you have not provided any support that he did anything but vote his conscience and in the best interests of his constituents. Again, the OPPOSITE of selling out.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)He voted against some of the gun bills.
Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)When you vote your conscience and your constituents and not the special interests, that is the opposite of selling out.
I'm done here.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)He was first elected into congress, other votes, he already had what he needed from the NRA, getting elected.
Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)since, as you say, he didn't need anything. Which, AGAIN, is the OPPOSITE of selling out.
Shouldn't you stop digging?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)To be president. The amount of gun violence occurring in the US is not acceptable to me and most of American citizens.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Think this reasoning has any merit. Establishment is the accusation against Hillary which is not going to stick either, more water off the ducks back.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
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(6,048 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)BeyondGeography
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I haven't seen snow since I was a kid .
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)In an apartment, it's hard to tell. Classic nor'easter with an enormous amount of stamina. Nothing quiets this area down like a snowstorm; always love that aspect.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I forgot which huge snow storm it was. It was in the late 60s. My dad owned a candy store in Jamaica, Queen that was robbed during it.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)If anything happens, I'm low priority on a day like today. Tough day to get mugged, e.g.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)My dad worked from 6-6 on weekdays and 6-12 on Saturdays. In a cash business it's hard to hire anybody but family. I was working the counter at ten. My mom gave up her bookkeeper job to help him.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)You can't tout establishment endorsements and also simultaneously take umbrage at the conclusion that Clinton is the establishment candidate.
marlakay
(11,474 posts)that he would help her win when the time came.