This Vitriol Has To Stop!

[gainesvillenole]

I very rarely post here, but after scanning these boards the last few weeks I need to vent....
I am a die hard yellow dog Democrat, have been my whole life. Haven't missed voting in an election since my very first vote for Jimmy Carter in 1976.
I am planning to vote for Hillary in our primary, but I also respect Bernie and his supporters. Whomever wins the nomination I will happily support, work for, donate to and vote for. In 2008 I also supported Hillary, but once the Democratic electorate made the choice, I was 100% behind Obama.
This disgusting back and forth between the die hard Bernie and die hard Hillary folks shouldn't be happening. Advocate for YOUR candidate, fine.... But I've seen as bad, vile and disgusting crap said about our candidates as any I've seen from my right wing nut job republican acquaintances.
Please remember we are all Democrats. Support your candidate, great... But JOB 1 is to keep the White House out of Republican hands!
Thanks for letting me get that off my chest!😁

[dlwickham]

1. Hope you're prepared for the attacks

Your thread will be trashed

[m-lekktor]

6. well, that would tend to happen when people who never post here

only show up to scold and lecture us.

[dlwickham]

9. He's not lecturing me

He's exactly right I agree with what he says

[handmade34]

10. the lecture is deserved!

[3catwoman3]

23. I don't think it is a lecture.

I think it is a plea, and one I totally understand.

I did not join here until 2012. Was it like this in 2008?

[Fumesucker]

27. Does the term PUMA have meaning for you?

It came out of the 2008 primaries and stands for Party Unity My Ass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/they-were-hillary-clintons-die-hard-loyalists-heres-where-they-are-now/2015/05/02/82025cf2-e92a-11e4-aae1-d642717d8afa_story.html

Hillary Rodham Clinton’s decision to run for president has stirred up old feelings for some loyal supporters who refused to accept her defeat in the 2008 Democratic primary. When other Democrats put away their swords and rallied behind Barack Obama, the resisters responded: “Party unity, my ass!” — hence the nickname PUMAs.

After seven years in the political wilderness, some are ecstatic at the chance to help elect a candidate that they believe in, and to make history by putting the first woman in the White House. Others are excited but cautious, still haunted by the events of 2008.

And some have even turned against Clinton — instead of signing on for her presidential campaign do-over, they plan to spend this cycle working to defeat her.

One thing they all agree on: they don’t regret their prolonged protest in 2008. In interviews, all of them said they still blame the Democratic Party for a ruling that cost Clinton delegates and the nomination.

[dlwickham]

28. sounds like some Sanders supporters

the ones who keep saying that they won't vote for Hillary or the ones who keep posting the same old right wing talking points against her

or the ones who attack her supporters on here

[Ed Suspicious]

30. You're biased.

[dlwickham]

43. Nah

Just honest

[Worried senior]

24. I agree with

you wholeheartedly.

[guillaumeb]

2. Vitriol is a renewable resource.

No animals were harmed in the process.

[99Forever]

3. 11 posts in 10 years and you're barking an order?

Good luck with that.


Bwahahahahahhahahahhah.

[Onlooker]

4. What a rude response

My guess is Sanders loses to Hillary, you'll support Trump. He would like what you posted.

[Punkingal]

7. A perfect description of what the OP is talking about...if you don't support Hillary, it's Trump.

That is bullshit.

[99Forever]

15. ...

Wrong place, sorry.

[Loudestlib]

34. These Bloomberg supporters are too much

[m-lekktor]

11. and you are doing exactly what this person you are sticking up for

who never posts except now to scold and lecture us is complaining about with your over the top nasty post! how fucking IRONIC!

[gainesvillenole]

16. Where did I say I'd support Trump?

I said SPECIFICALLY I'd support, donate to, work for and vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination!
This type of irrational response is EXACTLY what I tried to point out.🙄

[Fumesucker]

20. That reply was to someone else, the person you are replying to was defending you..

This place is a hot mess, that's what makes it so entertaining.

[99Forever]

17. Well pal, you guess wrong.

Not that it's any kind of fucking surprise. People who make stupid blind assumptions usually are.

[Still In Wisconsin]

26. My guess is you are a piece of shit. If you're not for Hillary, then you're for Trump?

YOU are the problem.

[Loudestlib]

32. What an equally rude reply

My guess is that when Sanders wins, you'll support Bloomberg and cost us the White House.

[Mike Nelson]

5. Wish it were possible...

...sadly, I think the strong level of hatred is irreversible.

[HereSince1628]

8. Glad you got that off your chest, but

really, it doesn't -have- to stop and it probably won't.

I sort of take things in order.

Job 1 is pushing for a win in the caucuses and primaries for the canidate of my choice.
Job 2 is summing those victories into a winning convention delegate count
Job 3 is taking on all others in the GE.
Job 4 is winning the GE and handing the new president a democratic Congress.

[Fumesucker]

12. I see a couple of names I think of as "vitriolic" in the Rec list

[TheBlackAdder]

13. Several of us feel the same way, certain operatives on both sides try to drive their narrative!

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They post crap all the time, multiple times a day, and they don't care how devisive it is.

I try to call them out on it, and they are so caught up in their world, they don't even want to listen.


My concern is a Dem in the White House and Dems gaining in down-ballot elections. I remain a primary neutral. As a poli-sci continuing ed student, there's a hell of a lot of dirt that will surface in the General Election that will damage one of the candidates more severely than the other. But, even when trying to post a warning flare, the bullshit continues unabated.


These people, about 7-10 on each side, are causing permanent fissures here, that will take years to resolve.

This is not good, but they don't give a shit!


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Just as long as their voice gets heard!

This is not about their candidate winning, because they are good, it's about their candidate winning because it is a reflection of their own self. Their selfish hubris is getting in the way of rational thought. Many are scurrying about like ants after their ant hill was stepped on.

It all comes down to the pettiness of a few individuals and their own pride, regardless of the damage done!


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[Empowerer]

14. Thank you.

[mahina]

18. I read you.

I stay out of the primaries section and liberally use the little X to hide threads, as well as the ignore button.

My blood pressure and general outlook is improved.

It would be wonderful if people could be more civil. I'm all for it.

[SCantiGOP]

19. Yes, thank you

A rare voice of reason and sanity in an increasingly paranoid and irrational environment.

[farleftlib]

21. What vitriol?

It's wabbit season! No, it's duck season!

It's primary season.

[Autumn]

22. Where you you in 2008?

[Odin2005]

25. This "vitrol", as you dismiss it, the pent-up rage of people infuriated at the Establishment...

...ignoring the people's will. Sanders and Trump are both symptoms of this rage. The Establishment brought this "vitriol" on themselves.

[tularetom]

29. It's a matter of trying to save the Democratic party from itself

To prevent it from turning into the more socially sane half of the corporate party.

Obama accomplished some notable goals, unfortunately none of them had any effect on the underlying problem affecting the country, namely, the destruction of the middle class, the increasing inequality of the American economy and the permanent loss of decent jobs.
Same sex marriage, guaranteed health insurance (not health care), reestablishment of relations with Cuba, etc., all positive accomplishments but none of them put bread on the table.

Secure retirement in the form of defined benefit pensions is pretty much a thing of the past and social security is under attack. The economy will not be able to support an aging population of baby boomers on a foundation of minimum wage service sector jobs.

Neither party is doing anything about the long term danger to the economy. The democrats are attempting to pacify us with pablum about social issues but the underlying goal of both parties is identical - the care and feeding of corporations and the very wealthy.

[oberliner]

31. Do you think it's coming from both sides equally?

Or do you think supporters of one candidate are more guilty than supporters of another?

[Fumesucker]

33. The OP already blasted someone who was defending him, probably won't be back in the thread

I mean a dozen posts in ten years shows a bit of a pattern.

[Ferd Berfel]

35. I"m fighting for my social Security and medicare

If Hillary or any of the other republicans find their way to the WH, I will probably loose them.
Pardon the hell out of me.

[draa]

36. I'm just fighting for my children and grandchildren.

It's worth it for them.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

37. Agreed. Grow up, members. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

38. I should post a civility plea too just to watch the fireworks.

[Fumesucker]

40. If you do I'll rec it..

[santafe52]

39. Thanks

Great post. All level-headed, fair-minded people will appreciate it!

We ALL have a lot of work to do over the next few months. Work that we have to do TOGETHER!

UNITED in our fight against the MONSTERS on the right.

[scottie55]

42. "the MONSTERS on the right"

If only it were that simple.

They are monsters for sure. Possibly worse.

How about all the "insiders" who only try to enrich themselves, and don't give a damn about our families?

There is more to our nation's problems than simply Republicans, with all due respect.

[SheenaR]

41. I'm very sorry

I don't agree. I may belong and subscribe to a similar set of core values, but im not going to pretend like I can defend anything HRC is doing in this campaign of late. ill take my support to the streets and beyond. HRC is in the way of true reform of this broken system. I say GTFO of the way.

[Califonz]

44. Don't worry about it too much...

Seems to me Bernie supporters have put Hillary supporters on ignore, and vice-versa!

[One of the 99]

45. Well said and thank you.

I'm a Bernie supporter and I wish everyone on both sides would stop the attacks and focus on a more positive message.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. I just served on a jury...

I just served on a jury where a supporter of Hillary Clinton took umbrage, albeit in colorful terms, at the fact that former Republican and Bush Attorney General and Jeb Bush adviser, Michael Mukasey, and the Wall Street Journal were cited as credible sources in an an attack on Secretary Clinton. His post was hidden.


I will let other posters divine how I feel about that.

I will quote Sista Souljah to give you a window into my thinking, "Two wrongs don't make a right. But they damn sure make us even."

With all due love and respect,
DSB