2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy we shouldn't vote for Bernie.
Lessons learned from DU this week on why a vote for Bernie is evil:
* Like Hillary and Obama he never mentioned reparations.
* Art Garfunkel let him use his song.
* Ben and Jerry's founders support him.
* He scares the CEO of Blackstone who thinks he is unsettling world markets and might take all his money.
* Bloomberg hates him enough to run against him if he wins.
* He's scared Steve Forbes in to actually fearing 'violence, war, and bloodshed instead of his usual support for it.
* He doesn't talk about Israel enough.
* He has the wrong black friends.
* No pictures of him marching in 1965.
How can anybody support Bernie based on the above?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Where was he REALLY?
How can we trust a man like that?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)dollars to pay for people who don't deserve healthcare.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Clearly, Pie in the Sky.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)and continued exuberance and energy have been of some concern to some in the general public.
(sorry for the repeat - I still trip seeing this loop)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Those rumours about him getting old and "slipping" don't seem to have gotten much traction.
He looks GREAT there!
They'll have to come up with something else.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Unfortunately O'Malley would probably win if he was participating.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bernie's a tough old guy, nothing wrong with him.
Brock was just doing what he gets paid for - sliming the opposition.
He did such a good job on Anita Hill after all.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)his hand may have been smacked by the rear view window at the end. Still - Unreal !
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I saw that one beat into the ground in one thread.
But they never mentioned what they THOUGHT he was doing, just alluded to something unseemly.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)and decriminalization of marijuana.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You mean to tell me he was advocating for civil rights 40 years ago?
How can anyone support a candidate like that?
klook
(12,170 posts)... human rights! That's all the guy ever talks about! And here are all his supporters -- chasing that shiny object!
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)[url=http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php][img][/img][/url]
oasis
(49,410 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)oasis
(49,410 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)oasis
(49,410 posts)there would be no time to relax before the eventual Trump victory.
Edit to add: hair on fire emoji.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)No contest.
oasis
(49,410 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)The Rube Righties go Trump and the Rich Righties go Bloomberg.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)It's not very complicated.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)That started day one and has been so thoroughly discredited that it would be almost idiotic for anyone to bring it up now.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The fact that Bernie fans have deluded themselves doesn't change that.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)contenders handily over Hillary? Like I said almost idiotic to bring it on, asinine even.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Everyone outside the Bernie bubble, that is. Things are pretty weird in there.
The reality is, running an underfunded campaign, and getting hit by the GOP attack machine for the first time, he's toast.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)You would too if you stepped off the unicorn ranch from time to time.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I called it!
What do I win?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)about many other things.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Perhaps you have a linky to back up that claim?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)You see, you were claiming that the GE matchup polls proved that Bernie was electable. Right before you started dodging. Remember that?
Now, the 10 months thing, I can see why you are confused. You see, right now is January, the first month. The GE is in November, the eleventh month. And 11-1=10. Glad I could help.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You're slipping, Dan. I'm starting to worry about you.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)You are one of the ones who never engages in substantive discussion. I stand corrected.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)Just for "substantive discussion". hahahahahahahahahaha
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)My irony meter actually imploded that time!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Right?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)No need to keep trying.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Makes sense that you like unicorns. You're definitely backing the right candidate.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)which everyone knows, and suddenly you change the subject to how much you like unicorns.
Hmm.....
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)reliable predictions. To hell with polls, ask Dan!!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)UNICORN
Unicorn
Unicorns!
Flying unicorns!
Ponies!
Damn!
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Huh-huh-uh-uh....
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)and yet that's the whole basis for your belief that Bernie can win the GE. Which you stated quite forcefully I might add. I believe the word "idiotic" was used.
So either you are truly clueless about political polling, or else... well, no, there's no other alternative that I can think of.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)from now on. Now can I have my unicorn?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Tarot cards, GE polls 10 months out, knock yourself out.
But that doesn't change the reality that Bernie, running an underfunded campaign, facing the GOP attack machine for the first time, and having the "socialist" label attached to him at every turn, will get crushed by the GOP.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.
Then Bernie will win.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)GE Electorate of 10mo. ago and what people have woken up to right now doesn't hold a candle to anything one can compare to now. That's why back 10 mo. ago the on-line voting and call-up polls where so out of whack with one another. People now are more committed and are registering in droves to make their vote count. Seems like now would be a more accurate feel to how the electorate is trending toward.
Response to DanTex (Reply #62)
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Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)about the two guys who see a bear as they are hiking, it's not whether GE polls are accurate 11 months out, it's whether they're more accurate than Dan.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)You're saying that Hillary can beat republicans but Bernie can't. In spite of Hillary supporters posting 10+ polls a day showing Hillary winning for the last several months, polls don't mean much. So the polls showing Bernie beating republicans by a much wider margin than Hillary shouldn't be taken as any sort of refutation of your position that Hillary is the only one who can beat republicans.
Seriously, this is a 40 megaton bullshit bomb. You, like a lot of Hillary supporters, are engaging in the most extreme form of motivated reasoning. You have a conclusion to reach and you are going to get there, no matter what facts get in your way.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Kall
(615 posts)Not like made-up war stories on being under sniper fire in Bosnia, or taking speaking fees from special interests, could be used for endless entertainment over social media or anything by someone like Trump.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Keep it coming!
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Well, they've been strategizing on how to attack Hillary since ....oh.... 2000? And there's so very much baggage to work with.
I don't see how Hillary could ever win. She even lost the last primary.
And some guy who had never been "hit by the GOP attack machine for the first time"...and was half black.... won....twice...
So I don't get your point.
eridani
(51,907 posts)paleotn
(17,989 posts)but lacks the depth to provide any details to back up any of his assumptions. Anymore gems of wisdom to lay on us?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)nobody as liberal as him has won any major election outside of a few very blue states, and he's got the socialist label, in a country where over 50% of the people wouldn't vote for a socialist.
jhart3333
(332 posts)Also, I think Bernie is well equipped to handle the GOP attack machine. He calls bullshit when he sees it.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)paleotn
(17,989 posts)...nearly 50%. Nearly 50% of those likely to vote in 2016 know her and don't like her. She's damaged goods. Same old bullshit in a country where the majority of voters are tired of the same old bullshit. So, in my mind, she's the more dangerous pick if one is scared of another Republican in the White House. She's not energizing anyone, other than those on the right who detest her.
Obama ran in 2008 as an unabashed liberal, not that much different from Bernie. He didn't govern as one, certainly, but still scared the bejebus out of the establishment, both Dem and Rep, in 2008. The same complaints were made about him by the very same HRC supporters, limited, narrow experience, underfunded campaign relying on small donations, never been hit by the vaunted Rovean machine, etc., etc. Well, history turned out a bit different, didn't it.
As for that GOP attack machine, he's already being hit by that. Hillary is going all 2008 on him and it's sticking about as well as it did to Obama. It simply adds another coat of same old bullshit to her image. That dynamic will work the same with the Republicans. It's a matter of energy and new ideas. Obama understood that dynamic very well. He was able to shed the attacks and come out clean, with even more solid support than before by staying up beat and on message and trounced McCain's disjointed campaign.
Given the current economic and political mood of the country, I think he's exactly what the majority of voters are looking for. Hillary is not. She's just repackaged same old, same old. Dems win not by being Ike Republicans, but by getting energized voters to the polls. Hillary is incapable of doing that. Bernie certainly is.
cui bono
(19,926 posts).
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)g-d only knows what went on at that!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)to ferment a vodka induced stupor onto the general public to see it all his way
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)of making that gif my avatar
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I may have to play around with it.
A PONY saluting a COMMIE FLAG!
It's perfect!
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)he is just a pretender.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Cuz theys
vi5
(13,305 posts)....maybe if I don't see team Hillary employing the same dirty tricks and the same surrogates and the same double standards they did 8 years ago then it might be easier for me to hold my nose in the GE if she is the nominee. As it stands every day I see the same bullshit on here, the further and further I slip from being able to do that.
It's beyond disgusting.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)crowds, pretty big crowds, and the people who comprise them seem to be listening very carefully to what he says.
Must be something to his message that keeps packing those big arenas.
And Art Garfunkel. Man has some fine recordings with his pal Paul. Alone or together, they surely do make some memorable music. If they're ok with this Sanders guy playing one of their tunes in his ad, I think I'm ok with it too.
They sing "They've all come to look for America" -- as if America is yet to be found but is very much worth finding.
I think it is too.
Go, Bernie.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)....enthusiastic.
Dig it, Claire McCaskill, and dig it the most!
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Maybe Hillary can lend him someone from her scores of coiffeurs.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)He said the other day in a stump speech that his wife made him get a hair cut.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Next thing you know, she'll be talking him into getting a tux.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)overuse with wearing his favored Ushanka
Nanjeanne
(4,981 posts)Who could vote for someone like that?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)murielm99
(30,765 posts)I am not voting for Sanders because he will lose and the country will be dragged back to the Dark Ages by the republicans.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Very good!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I kid you not they went there again.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)He can't possibly be POTUS!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Just picturing Bernie in that.... Quite an image!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The NERVE of that man!
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)But knows nothing about politics.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)Paka
(2,760 posts)That was so much fun. Thank you everyone.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Words mean what we want them to mean on DU!
Locrian
(4,522 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)Hula Hooping....
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...like all Putin Loving Commies!
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)filled with a plethora of unspeakable things..... LOL....
Uncle Joe
(58,426 posts)Thanks for the thread, Live and Learn.
Kall
(615 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)the general election are as meaningless as all the polls that show Clinton's unfavorability ratings approaching Cheneyian levels.
Also, scary. scary socialism
Finally, "No, We Can't!"
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)even though I'm a life long Feminist who has always fought against the notion that gender is a part of job qualifications. I ask these "Vagina (only) voters" how they feel about Hillary's ties to Monsanto,Walmart, Wall street, big banks, for profit prisons, arms manufacturers, and her eagerness for a war and I get crickets. Why does none of that stuff matter to so called "Democrats"?
questionseverything
(9,661 posts)clean water and less earth quakes are things everyone should care about