2016 Postmortem
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(24,853 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)It's a good thing there are so many of us that don't believe the system we have now works for the middle-class, the working poor. When big money writes our laws and has such undue influence over our elections - it's most definitely time for a change!
mountain grammy
(26,624 posts)with a president who would actually listen to him.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Spot on.
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)She is far too thin skinned, paranoid and vindictive to head anything.
She's the most insecure and vengeful politician we have seen on the national level since
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I think she's tough, thick-skinned and not insecure. She seems very comfortable in her own skin, to me.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)And her foreign policy decisions demonstrate those traits.
lark
(23,105 posts)All the repugs are more thin skinned, insecure and vengeful than she is, every single one. They'd also destroy our country if they win, something HRC wouldn't do. I'm voting for the aspirational candidate, Bernie, but if the socialism charge is too much and he doesn't win the general election nomination, I will 100% vote for whoever has the D behind their name in the general.
senz
(11,945 posts)She would be so bad as president. Her aides and Bill would end up running the country. She would smile for the camera while her supporters swoon.
greenman3610
(3,947 posts)Remember that?
elias49
(4,259 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, Triana.
MauriceLawrence96
(48 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)1,000 recs. Here's mine...#78.
And a
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)Just like the man.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)Still gotta play.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)sammythecat
(3,568 posts)of the Democratic primary than this. Absolutely accurate!
valerief
(53,235 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Go, Bernie!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... the magical asterisks Sanders proffers (sans reparations for some reason) doesn't have a snow ball chance in hell of being done.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)(taxpayers), what percentage of DNA, do they still have to live in the US, which bureaucracy manages it, etc. I'm sick of this word and no one has a freaking clue what it means. HRC nor PBO have bothered. Why should Bernie?
Please advise...intellectually.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... obvious.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)good company. It's obvious? Please point out what reparations (whatever they are) have to do with a political revolution, as well. Boggles the mind.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... she is not the revolution candidate Sanders is so her answer is acceptable and Sanders answers are not
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)She hasn't answered it once. Reparations not practical...whatever they are? Well, Bernie is being charged with infidelity regarding this all-consuming problem in society.
What the hell is it? You didn't answer the question. If she answered it so many times, then I'm sure there will be plenty of notations/links, etc.
She doesn't need to know, but since Sanders wants $15 an hour and unrigging the political system from billionnaires, et al he should know?
Good lawd.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... why not reparations?
That's how the whole conversation got started, why be pragmatic with something like reparations and not single payer?
She did answer the question, she doesn't think its doable in the political climate... that's fair, she's not the candidate that's going to push the legislation envolope but build on what's there... that's' fair.
That's not Sanders stance on many issues, he is dismissing the political climate all together otherwise he'd not proffer something like Single Payer knowing the ACA hardly passed with a controlling dem congress.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)the question...why is Bernie being accused with a dogwhistle on race? Nobody Knows What It Means or Anything other than to pull some word out of their somewheres and pin it on Bernie.
She didn't answer...is the correct answer. It's not political viable...correct again. Why then is Bernie to be Mr. Magic Man?
Your other rhetoric is your opinion and that's fair. Reparations Bashing needs to stop...at least until we know WTF it is.
We know what health care for all is...and he's put out how he's going to pay for it many, many times. Asking the Wealthy to pay their fair share. That's just a start. He's put out many others, like SS tax on incomes higher than $102,000...that's fair. Lotsw of other ways the income inequality has choked the life out of the Middle Class.. I take it you're in the 1% by your statement...just a guess, and IMO and all such necessary disclaimers.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... of a dog whistle.
He's not, he's not racist just inconsistent which is what he's chided others for being, he's just not picking different fights NOT to be pragmatic with.... reparations being one of them.
I think Sanders lives in glass house
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I've said Nothing about Revolution, except I'll agree that's what Bernie stands for and I stand with him on that. But has nothing to do with the subject that I raised.
Reparations is the dog whistle and Sanders is not "accused" of using that...he's "accused" with failing to make a plan...that no one else wants to do.
Why? Rinse and repeat. No one knows exactly or even vaguely what it is. Not HRC Not PBO Just Bernie LOL
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... his nebulous term "revolution" which includes his pet left tenants and screw everything else... which make me thing he is being petulant at other people compromisings.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Cutting out the obscene profits of the student loan heist and the BK bill (they can't be BKd) which I believe Ms. Clinton voted for. It levels the playing field so that the jobs that used to only require a HS diploma back in my days, now require a college degree. Also, in California, it was free. I paid nothing for my 4 year degree...legally. Called the NDEA .... National Defense Education Act.
I'm done here. Good lawd.
senz
(11,945 posts)That's an ugly charge.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... people how is Sanders going to get past them when they don't give a damn about what Americans think?
tia
senz
(11,945 posts)He's owned by US, not by Goldman Sachs.
I would much, much rather have him in the presidency.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... off what the differences are Sanders said there would be a political revolution...
I just wish he'd outline what he's going to compromise on
hueymahl
(2,497 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)please look up the definition. this word neither applies to bernie nor president obama nor any of the gop candidates - except for ted cruz.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Sanders and his supporters think Congress and the whole of RW media will bow the their wisdom & make all the progressive campaign promises come true.
Sorry, that ain't gonna happen. Especially with no new like-minded people in Congress. A Sanders Administration would be a freakin' disaster for progressives & progressivism.
Chef Eric
(1,024 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)In order to get ANYTHING done he needs Congressional support. That means about 60 House seats and 21 Senate seats. What is his plan on getting that?
*crickets*
Meanwhile, Hillary raised $18 million for Congressional candidates last quarter.
jomin41
(559 posts)wouldn't support President Sanders? That's nonsense.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Chef Eric
(1,024 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:29 PM - Edit history (1)
Sanders could get NO support from Congress, and I would still feel better with him in the White House. And that's because I trust him more than I trust Clinton.
I trust him more NOT to use the military when it's not prudent to do so. I trust him more NOT to play "chained cpi" games with Social Security. I trust him more NOT to sign "free trade" agreements that will give huge multi-national corporations more power than they already have.
And the reason that I trust him more is that he has done more to earn my trust. He has earned my trust by voting against the war in Iraq, and by voting against the Patriot Act (twice), and by voting against the Wall Street bailout, and by voting against Bush's shitty No Child Left Behind nonsense. Clinton could have earned my trust by doing these things, but she didn't.
But thank you for your concern.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)florida08
(4,106 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)chapdrum
(930 posts)Thank you.
canoeist52
(2,282 posts)Now make it an Original Post for more eyes.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... she's Satan.
If that's the deliminator
senz
(11,945 posts)I want a president I can trust.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)florida08
(4,106 posts)utiful!
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Are you happy with the status quo, or do you want better?
blackspade
(10,056 posts)ecstatic
(32,712 posts)I know there must be plenty examples of bills he sponsored that got passed during his 40+ years in politics /elected office.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Sanders mostly gets things passed by amending other bills. For example, the ACA would not have included funding for community health centers without Sanders pushing through an amendment to the ACA.
If you really want to dig through it, Congress.gov has a lovely search engine.
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)work to increase the number of Dems in the senate (to regain the Dem majority - wholly possible) and increase numbers of Dems in the house (probably won't get majority any time soon but we can increase numbers there).
With Sanders as President and a Dem majority in at least one chamber, a lot of good work could be done.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)ecstatic
(32,712 posts)That could be a great idea, but the problem would be the third in line for president....
Current order
2 Vice President of the United States
3 Speaker of the House - Paul Ryan (R)
4 President pro tempore of the Senate - Orrin Hatch
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)It's not gonna happen.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Sanders doesn't have the political know-how.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Auggie
(31,173 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)SalviaBlue
(2,917 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)marble falls
(57,106 posts)aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)I don't think she's interested in all that goes into the job. She just wants to have it.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)You put an "up" carat right in front of a capital letter. So you would put ^ right next to B to get ^B
Of course, Skinner intended it for ^H
But you can do it with all the letters: ^C ^A ^T
Try it out for yourself using the "preview" feature.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)problem is cant work that way i dont think
azmom
(5,208 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)He pushed Bill Clinton to prioritize NAFTA before universal healthcare -- which was what Hillary wanted to be the priority -- and Reich won.
I don't know why anyone would want to brag about his endorsement.
Well, personally, I was and still am a free trader. I think that free trade is inevitable and overall it helps everyone. But labor was very against NAFTA. And I remember appearing on so many stages in front of various labor groups and being booed off the stage because I was representing the president, and the president was committed to NAFTA. He was committed to NAFTA in the campaign. He said, during the 1992 campaign, "I am going to sign the North American Free Trade Act."
What was your advice to him during the debate though?
My advice to him during the campaign was to sign it.
And then later, once, Kirkland was telling you guys that it was going to be a "f-ing disaster," and you were going to come to regret it. You passed that on to the president. What was his reaction?
He shrugged. He was willing to take on organized labor over the North American Free Trade Act. I think the real issue there was what kind of priority NAFTA should get. Should it be one of the highest priorities of the administration in those first years? Should he spend a lot of political capital on it? Should he delay health care in order to get NAFTA done first? And the first lady wanted health care first. She didn't want him to expend political capital on NAFTA. She was concerned, and in retrospect she was absolutely right, that if health care came after NAFTA, then health care might never get done.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/interviews/reich.html