All of the Democratic Candidates are Pragmatic when it comes to Reparations

[JI7]

the fact is white people including those who claim to be the most liberal most progressive will never support it. i'm sure they will bring up some hispanic or asian or other minority as a reason for their opposition.

but it's really about them not wanting black people to get "giveaways".

it's pretty much the same reason a lot of people oppose many welfare programs . it's when it's seen as helping minorites they oppose it.

[HassleCat]

1. Depends on what is proposed

If you suggest simply giving some money to every black citizen, that will go nowhere.

[synergie]

2. The problem is that Bernie is only pragmatic on this issue.

[artislife]

3. And that is worse than being pragmatic on a lot of issues?

Smh.

[uponit7771]

9. YES !! If part of his whole movement is NOT to be pragmatic cause of revolution!! I don't understand

... why the inconsistent meter jumping to 10 for some is so hard to grasp.

Revolution !!!!

(except for issues a, b, c, d, ...... )

[artislife]

10. Who is the purest now??? LOLZ.

[uponit7771]

12. Judge not lest ye be judged, Sanders is not holding up to the scrutiny he's placed on others if

... reparations is not part of the revolution.

Either we're in a revolution where the impossible is going to happen because of said factors or we're not...

[artislife]

13. Tell me you even were arguing for reparations before last month.

And don't bother quoting that fantasy book.

[beam me up scottie]

15. ^^^THIS^^^

[ram2008]

4. The problem is thats a lie n/t

[uponit7771]

7. He said on MTP this morning for the same reason Obama is against it and that's a pragmatic position

... and not a lie.

We hear what he's saying

[artislife]

5. I think you are right

On all of it.

I am Latina/Native/Irish mix and I was surprised by the reparations article. The last time I thought about it was in the early 2000s when talking to my AA friend and she said she wanted her 40 acres and a mule. I thought she was living a pipe dream. I honestly, never thought it was something that would or could be done. But now I am not such a little sh*t as I was, I like to believe, and am now pondering this issue. I am perplexed on how it can be done.

What are some of the ways that have been put forward to actually satisfy the idea the reparations are being given by the US? How does it look. What is wanted?

So a quick google and I found this
http://www.crf-usa.org/brown-v-board-50th-anniversary/reparations-for-slavery-reading.html

And the other top google searches, included 5 reasons why it would be bad, and 10 reasons why it would be bad. One article from 2001 and the other from 2014. As I read them, of course they were RW sites.

But why don't Democrats push for it? Why doesn't Obama do something in his final year? I guess because the push back would be so hard back.

I think the real push back is that no one wants to feel guilty. We are such a society that does everything to believe that we are completely awesome and number one. This issue isn't about a group of people (like the Government making internment camps) but it is the whole white population being on the hook for how it treated---and lets face it, keeps treating African Americans. We don't discriminate against the Japanese anymore, the Mexicans have a country to go back to but African Americans...no. And they were sold, beaten, raped and murdered. We cannot face the dark side of our country.

[uponit7771]

6. Which undermines Sanders message, lets NOT be pragmatic with everything except this issue. Either

... we're in a revolution or we're just spouting slogans

[jfern]

8. What garbage, there are plenty of issues Bernie is pragmatic on

Cutting aid to Israel, legalizing all drugs, having taxes on meat, I'm sure I can think of dozens more.

[uponit7771]

11. Reparations is the moral and right thing to do taxing meat isn't and neither is legalizing all drugs

... which is... what?!

I hope you can think of a dozen more that are in the morally correct thing to do AND Sanders is being pragmatic on.

Cutting aide to Isreal isn't one of them... cut aide to them cut aide to all of them

[jfern]

14. So it's moral to give Israel money to pay for killing Palestinians?

[uponit7771]

16. No, its moral to have consistent positions on aide and Iserael doesn't have aide to kill Palestinian

... only.

Either way, those are false equivalencies at best, I've not seen Sanders pragmatism on other big issues like SP and free college like he has on reparations.

Revolution shouldn't be called with an asterisk beside it

[jfern]

17. Giving money to Israel to kill Palestinians is not moral

And Bernie doesn't support a guaranteed minimum income, which would be moral. He's not some pie in the sky fantasy candidate. That's fucking insulting.

[uponit7771]

18. I agree, and the US doesn't do that so don't know why its being brought up and your strawman on

... the minimum income is overt.

Is there a list of things Sanders is "pragmatic" on!?

Lets leave out the absurd ...

Seems like Sanders is picking his fights, ..... like the other establishment did

[jfern]

19. We pay for Israel's missile defense system against Palestine

And what's overt about a minimum income?