If Bernie is nominated and you support Bloomberg against him in the fall...

[Ken Burch]

...you forever lose any right to call yourself a Democrat.

Or to lecture anyone else about their party status.

It really is that simple.

[DonCoquixote]

1. amen

Though I do think the people that would do that are much smaller than Bloomberg realizes.

[starroute]

12. You probably mean "much fewer" -- though "smaller" is also accurate

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

65. *Many fewer

[Kalidurga]

2. I think he won't even do as well as O'Malley is doing now.

He is a non issue. The issue is more that the establishment is once again trying to game the system. I doubt it will work, but there is that anger that they are now going from pretending to care about us to blatantly being in our face about not caring.

[doc03]

3. So if we don't support Bernie in the primaries we forever lose

any right to call our self a Democrat. Then if Bernie wins and we don't support Bernie
we lose any right to call our self a Democrat. That's real democratic of you. Especially
since Bernie has only called himself Democrat for a few weeks. I will vote for who the f--
I think will be the best president.

[Ken Burch]

5. I wasn't talking about the primaries. I was talking about the fall.

Support who you want in the primaries. Nobody can stop you.

[doc03]

8. I will vote for who the f-- I want to in the general

too and if given the choice I vote for someone that can get things done rather than talk.

[w4rma]

11. A warning, doc03: You won't be posting on DU if you promote Bloomberg over the Democratic nominee.nt

[doc03]

15. Did I say that that? I have seen countless Bernie supporters say exactly the same

thing. So if you want to ban me fine. I have probably voted for Democrats longer than you have been alive.

[w4rma]

16. There was a high profile ban of a Bernie supporter who said that. I'm just pointing out the terms of

service for DU, doc03, so that you don't make that mistake.

[doc03]

21. Like I said I have seen countless Bernie supporters that

have made the statement if Hillary wins the nomination they will not vote period. If they don't vote it is the same as
voting Republican to me. I suppose may have been some Clinton supporters that made that statement but I haven't seen one.
Any examples?

[Ken Burch]

22. I have never defended that mindset.

But if your candidate does get the nom, she has an obligation to reach out to and engage the dreamers and the young and the young-in-spirit.

Bernie will be doing all he can(as he already is)to reach out to current HRC or M'oM supporters or current undecided voters if he gets nominated.

[SwampG8r]

47. Locked thread in the hillary room

Second page
Its filled with agreement from others

[seaglass]

49. Seriously?

Are you talking about this thread? If not please link to the thread "filled with" agreement from others stating they will not vote for Bernie in the GE if Hillary loses the nom.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110733997

There is 1 person, perhaps 2, 0 Recs and a Host locked the thread - compared to this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251916239

Many agreeing with Manny and peacebird - count them up, 295 Recs and no lock. It is one of many threads and posts on DU from Sanders supporters who state emphatically they will not vote for Hillary in the GE if Bernie loses the nom.

I despise people who are so self-involved that they think their "principles" have more value than other people's lives. All they are is selfish Republican enablers and if they had any integrity they would leave this website now. Their voices are corrupt.

[SwampG8r]

52. Thats the one and one was what was requested

[seaglass]

62. What does "filled with agreement by others" mean? Can we be honest here? There is no comparison

between the numbers of Hillary supporters who won't support Bernie in the GE if she loses the nom and the numbers of Bernie supporters who won't support Hillary in the GE if he loses the nom, is there?

[Fumesucker]

39. DU has officially supported Republican candidates before

Charlie Crist comes to mind..

[Ken Burch]

55. And that endorsement achieved nothing at all.

Crist lost to Rubio in a landslide and was never in contention at all in that race.

[LondonReign2]

68. What things is Hillary going to get done?

[JDPriestly]

36. Bloomberg would be the candidate of and for the 1%.

I don't think he can appeal to very many Democrats.

Besides, he may be known and liked in the upper class in NYC. But here in the West we don't know or care to know anything about him. He is boring.

And he does not speak for working people. The Democratic Party is traditionally the party that cares about and speaks for working people. That's why Hillary is being challenged by Bernie Sanders. After NAFTA and the many anti-working-people, pro-Wall-Street bills signed by Bill Clinton, Hillary is not a credible Democratic candidate.

I have said that I will vote for every Democrat on my ballot except Hillary. She is Repbublican-lite, not in my view what a Democrat should be.

I am a life-long Democrat with no plan to change and at 72 that is saying something. But Hillary is too negative for me. She is too pessimistic about the capacity of the US and of Americans to work together to achieve the great social changes that we need if we are to succeed as a country.

Bloomberg -- even worse.

Bernie -- great. His message is inspiring. His vision is truly American.

It was Lincoln who established land-grant colleges and who gave land so that railroads could be built. It was Lincoln who stood against slavery and for emancipation of all slaves.

Lincoln, the Roosevelts and Bernie -- all leaders into a better future for America.

[Renew Deal]

4. Good. Let's start with you. Who did you vote for in 2000, 2004, and 2008?

[mwooldri]

10. No-one in the USA. Supported Obama with some $$$s in 2008.

When I can afford to naturalize then I'll have the vote.

Prior to this voted Lib Dem (UK) all the way. Card carrying member at one point. Then the Orange Bookers came in.

[TSIAS]

18. I'll answer

2000 - I did not vote
2004- John Kerry
2008- Obama

And I agree with the premise of this OP.

[Ken Burch]

19. In 2004 and 2008, Kerry and Obama

In 2000, I'd have voted for Gore if I'd been in a battleground state(for 32 years, I've lived in Alaska, a state no Democratic presidential candidate will ever carry again).

That's loyalty enough.

And totally uncomparable to ever voting for Bloomberg in the fall.

[Tanuki]

45. You didn't vote for Gore in 2000? I find that a bit ironic in view of your OP.

Did you vote for Nader?

[Ken Burch]

48. In Alaska, it didn't matter.

Did you miss the part where I said I would have voted Gore in a state where the contest was in play?

It's different when the Dems in your state have given up trying to win.

[Tanuki]

50. Since you also evaded Renew Deal's question about who you actually voted for in 2000,

I can only assume that you voted for Nader, and now you've posted this OP. Un-effing-believable.


For the record, I have always voted for the Democratic nominee in every election since I have been old enough to vote. My grandfather was a child laborer in a coal mine and was a tipple boy by the time he was 12. None of my four grandparents were educated beyond the 8th grade, despite being quite intelligent in each case, because of their social class and location. I cannot imagine what my own life would be like now if not for the New Deal and the Great Society social programs. I would not vote for a goddamn Republican to save my life, nor would I ever throw away my precious vote on some narcissistic third party spoiler, even if I lived in a state where I could virtuously claim that it didn't matter. And I have seen quite a few of your compadres suggest that they are so "above" voting for HRC that they will either do that, write in Bernie, or passive aggressively sit it out and let the Republican candidate win. Yeah, I know, you don't have to inform me that a few Hillary supporters would do the same. They need to wise up, too.

[Ken Burch]

53. I will be voting for the Democratic nominee in the fall.

That is loyalty enough.

[Kentonio]

57. You might want to look at the latest polling from Alaska.

It'll cheer you up.

[Ken Burch]

59. OK. Got a link? n/t.

[Kentonio]

61. Sure.

http://www.adn.com/article/20160123/adn-poll-alaskans-trump-sanders-president

[Feeling the Bern]

32. Gore, Kucinich, Obama, Obama. . .your point?

[Warren DeMontague]

41. I'll answer too.

2000: Primary, Gore. General, Gore.

2004: Primary, Kerry. General, Kerry.

2008: Primary, Kucinich. General, Obama.

[PatrickforO]

6. Bloomberg will only gain votes from the hard core puma types

who wouldn't be voting if Bloomberg didn't get into it.

The Republicans will lose far more votes to Bloomberg than Bernie will.

[mwooldri]

7. I guess the PUMAs will come out when we have a nominee.

They came out in 2008.... they'll come out again in 2016.

[KingFlorez]

9. Sanders has only been a Democrat for a minute

And only out of opportunity. I hardly think he is representative of the party as a whole.

In a Trump vs. Sanders vs. Bloomberg election, I would abstain completely. That would be a hot mess of a lineup.

[w4rma]

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A single violation of any of these terms could result in your posting privileges being revoked without warning.
…
Vote for Democrats.

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[Feeling the Bern]

34. TOS only apply to Bernie supporters. HRC supports can flip off the TOS because she's a "Democrat"

while Bernie isn't, but supports all the things we support.

IOKIYSED. It's okay if you support establishment Democrats.

[KingFlorez]

67. I never said I would vote for anyone

An abstention for reasons of expectations is not a vote for anyone.

[Ken Burch]

24. So all that talk about "the Court, the Court, the Court"

never meant anything to you at all. Defendiing LGBTQ rights never meant anything to you. Defending choice never meant anything to you. Fighting global warming never meant anything to you.

You'd give up on all of that just to punish the party for nominating a non-corporatist?

Good to know the truth.

[KingFlorez]

66. I'm not particularly bullish on a Democratic win in that scenario

My vote would be merely symbolic in a three way race. It's not about punishing anyone, it's more about expectations.

[OrwellwasRight]

14. Absolutely right.

Why is it always the DLCers issuing allegations that we "progressives" aren't true "Democrats"?

That goes both ways.

[CoffeeCat]

17. What if Bloomberg announces

that he's running after it is evident that Bernie will win the D nomination--and Bloomberg runs with Hillary as his vp/running mate?

Bloomie said he would only run if it is apparent that Hillary is out. If she's out, Hillary as VP would get her back in the game, which is ultimately what this could be about.

[Ken Burch]

20. She has an obligation to the party to promise not to do that, now. n/t.

[Hekate]

28. I don't think you get to tell her what her obligations are, but given she's been a Dem....

....for some 45 years, how likely is it she would ever fulfill your fantasy of her jumping parties to run as second fiddle to a spoiler?

[cui bono]

23. Has there been talk of Hillary supporters flocking to Bloomberg or something? n/t

[rpannier]

26. There hasn't as far as I can tell

It comes from a post where the OP totally twisted the meaning of what was being said

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1060377

That was the post.
I didn't see anything nefarious in what she said

[Not Sure]

25. I can see the appeal of Bloomberg to a certain segment of the electorate

He's a wealthy authoritarian moderate, which places him in similar company with Clinton and Trump (Trump's fascist social POV notwithstanding). More of the same ineffective type, IMO.

[Hekate]

27. You're posting this here? Has there been even one DUer who has asserted they won't vote for BS...

....in the event he is the nominee? Links, names, status as Clinton supporters please.

On the contrary, what we have at this oh so Democratic site is a whole bunch of people who claim to support Bernie (I-VT) and express an existential disgust for his opponent that is so profound one doubts they could bring themselves to cast a ballot for her under any circumstances whatsoever -- though only a few have said that in quite so many words.

I wonder if THEY are the ones you worry would support an independent candidate such as Bloomberg?

Just a thought.

[Lordquinton]

29. Scroll up this thread

And I'm apalled, but not surprised, at this McCarthy affectation of demanding names.

[Hekate]

31. A pronouncement from on high was made by the OP as to who shall have any right...

....to call themselves a Democrat and under what circumstances. The implications of the OP were clear, and he has his supporters.

He's entitled to his opinion, but he's not entitled to create his own facts. All I ask is that he back up his assertions with facts. He can't.

[Lordquinton]

33. Read this thread

If you want names they're there.

[Hekate]

37. I have read this thread and many others, and it's not Clinton supporters who engage in this ...

....counterproductive game of supporting an Independent gadfly and telling the rest of us who is and is not worthy in their eyes to be called a Democrat.

Some BSers are all too eager for the great purge that will follow the election to President of their idol: out with all who are not liberal or progressive enough in their eyes -- it matters not that the only kind of Dem who can ever be elected in a red state is one who is more centrist.

The OP is just one more example of that mindset -- and with what a straw man.

[Lordquinton]

42. You're projecting

You asked "Has there been even one DUer who has asserted they won't vote for BS..."

To which I informed you that you will find that right I. His thread. If you want to move your goal posts feel free, but your question has been answered.

[Hekate]

43. >yawn< It's late

[Ken Burch]

54. One poster in this very thread said he'd stay home from the polls if Bernie was nominated.

Ed Rendell has talked up the Bloomberg option.

[Firebrand Gary]

30. Ditto to all of what you wrote Hekate.

[Lordquinton]

35. Scroll up

Right in this thread.

[Hekate]

38. Thanks

[Paulie]

46. Id show you but they self deleted all the posts

After a week or so.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. It'll be PUMAs on steroids, for some folks.

[baldguy]

44. And if Hillary is nominated, & you don't vote or support a 3rd party candidate against her...

...you forever lose any right to call yourself a Democrat.

Or to lecture anyone else about their party status.

It goes both ways - and it is that simple.

[DinahMoeHum]

51. +1000s

[ismnotwasm]

60. Yup.

[Tanuki]

63. Apparently the OP thinks differently about his having voted for Nader against Gore in 2000

[Hekate]

69. That's interesting

[SecularMotion]

56. It would be a tough choice

I think Bloomberg would be a stronger candidate against Trump than Bernie

and I would rather have President Bloomberg than President Trump.

[Agschmid]

58. Is this a loyalty oath?

I heard they "sucked".

[MineralMan]

64. I can't even imagine doing that.

WTF?