Powerful: Scarborough calls out Clinton's LOSER talk

[berni_mccoy]

http://on.msnbc.com/23nARQt

Joe: "When I hear those words coming out of a politician's mouth, I know they're losing. They're saying "Oh they've got better slogans, oh they've got better that, oh they're polls may be a little higher now, oh they may be more angry but..." I've hear that form of a speech more than a thousand times before and it's never good for the one giving it."

Sam Stein: "It played right into Bernie's hands"

Video worth watching the entire 6:26.

[DanTex]

1. I can understand the affinity for Joe Scarborough among Bernie fans.

Fits right in with all the other right-wing Hillary bashing stuff we've seen.

[elias49]

6. There's no 'affinity for Scarborough' here

we have an agreement with a point he made.
You lose. Again.

[DanTex]

7. Of course not. LOL.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. As a fair and impartial observer I must conclude you won this round, by a lot.

A poster laudingly cited Joe Scarborough, you pointed it out, and then were accused of a prevarication when you accurately stated that some posters are laudingly citing right wing sources.


FACT

[beerandjesus]

28. Funny how you're fair and impartial, but somehow ALWAYS side with the Hillary person.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. beerandjesus, I am just a humble follower of the facts./nt

[Hortensis]

57. Bernistas, Joe is a MAJOR GOP ESTABLISHMENT PLAYER!

He spins everything to the establishment GOP's advantage and has been working for years to get GOP establishment people in office. His assistance to the Koch brothers in their attempts to burnish their PR should surprise no one.

Right-wing operatives start their day with an eye on Morning Joe. It's that influential. Copying Scarborough propaganda in here is the same as copying Drudge or any other right-wing propagandist. A betrayal of what we SAY we stand for and want to accomplish.

[Lage Nom Ai]

84. But copying

from David Brock isn't?

[roguevalley]

85. all manner of things get put here for people to read, some of them red necked and right winged

given that David Brock and his bullshit not only gets posted here but DEFENDED HRC people without a beat negates any poutrage anyone might have about posting something said by Scarborough. Henry Kissinger writes her love letters of support. Do we get to piss and moan about that or is it allowed as just information by readers here? I would love to know.

[libdem4life]

35. He said 14 words and a LOL. Prevarication (lie)? Right Wing Sources? A stopped clock is

right twice a day.

And fair and impartial observer? Oh my. I don't think so...and I do read for information.

And FACT Just wow.

[Sheepshank]

91. If this is a correct statement, then it shouldn't be so hard to find a progressive source, right?n/t

[libdem4life]

98. The correctness resides with the reader...I don't think so, but that's Just My Opinion.

It's definitely a superior statement...a declarative pejorative...and merely an opinion. Sources can be found for ANY use...or misuse.

Over and out.

[still_one]

11. I've noticed the same affinity. Sounds a lot to me like "Bernie's LOSER talk", when you have to

quote right wing avenues for your arguments.

[libdem4life]

37. I hear no Bernie LOSER talk, current post excepted. True Liberals listen to every one

and sometimes keep their opinions and other times, change them. We're curious...want to hear, read and learn new things.

That's the opposite of Conservative...who want to Conserve what's been passed down to them and loathe any changes to their limited political or intellectual lives.

I understand it's hard...but some of us do it.

[JustAnotherGen]

53. I stopped watching him last year

Early last year. He's the worst of the worst and is just trying to prop up Trump so he can have cover for his dead intern.

[hrmjustin]

2. I remember when everyone here hatedJoe and would not use him to attack another Democrat.

But the anything to take down Hillary crowd will just post anything.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

40. That's right: "anything to take Hillary down". That IS the point of our campaign. nt

[hrmjustin]

41. At least you admit it.

[mcar]

68. Indeed

I've seen posts linking articles and statements from just about all the RW sources DUers used to mock and laugh at. Funny how things change, isn't it?

[hrmjustin]

69. Their true colors are showing.

[Kentonio]

86. *cough* David Brock *cough*

[bigtree]

3. Scarborough?

...the rw flack for the republican party?

That's who we use to bash our Democratic candidates here?

[elias49]

5. It's like the broken clock thing.

If he speaks the truth, let's listen.
Do you dispute what he said? That's the question you have to ask yourself.

[bigtree]

27. I don't need to ask myself anything

...about questions posed by what that buffoon says.

His voice counts for zero in our primary.

[MineralMan]

4. Speaking of losers, I give you Joe Scar, himself.

Any port in a storm, I suppose. Whoever's saying something negative about Hillary Clinton must be right, I suppose.

But Joe "Dead Intern" Scarborough? Really?

The discussion continues to deteriorate.

[berni_mccoy]

8. If you are calling Joe a loser, then who better to know how a loser talks?

[MineralMan]

13. Keep spinning...

"Will it go round in circles"

[berni_mccoy]

14. I'm not the one who spun that and you know that

But that's the tactic Clinton has taken to lately so it doesn't surprise me coming from you. Do something bad and then say your opponent did it. Who else used to do that again???

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. I can't get my head around the fact another poster suggested you are a "loser"

I think you're great.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

42. Perhaps you should brush up on your reading comprehension, then. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. Thank you.

Perhaps you should brush up on your reading comprehension, then. nt

My reading comprehension skills are just fine but thank you for patronizing me, I think.


With all due respect,
DSB

[ChisolmTrailDem]

48. If your reading comprehension is "just fine", then why are you accusing berni_mccoy...

...of calling MM a loser?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. Please see Post 50.

Thank you in advance.



Respectfully,
DSB


P.S. Perhaps all of us should remember there are real human beings behind these keyboards with feelings and we should take that into consideration when addressing them.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

55. RE: Your PS ... Then why are you accusing berni_mccoy of something that didn't happen? nt

[berni_mccoy]

56. DSB has been stalking me for some time. You should see the PMs he sends me.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

60. As I recall, it would not be a violation of TOS or rules if you were to post a sample.

Perhaps that would put an end to the harrassment.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

59. Look, berni_mccoy wasn't saying that MM is the loser, only that Joe Scar would know...

...how a loser talks, referring to Hillary sounding like she's worried she may be losing her grip on the lead.

Now, you're making yourself look foolish. And I should know, lol. (see what I did there?) Now, at least admit your mistake and/or apologize, or continue to look foolish and petty. It's your call, DSB.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. Here is the statement, verbatim

Here is the statement, verbatim:

8. If you are calling Joe a loser, then who better to know how a loser talks?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511062174#post8

Who is the poster he is referring to?

Thank you in advance.

P.S. As I said there are people with real feelings on this board. I hope my unwavering defense of Mineral Man is salve for his injured feelings.


Respectfully and empathetically,
DSB

[ChisolmTrailDem]

62. berni_mccoy was not referring to MM. You are mistaken and clinging to your mistake. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. That is your inference and it your right to have drawn it.

I drew a different inference and believe the inference I drew is the correct one.



Thank you in advance.


Respectfully,
DSB



P.S. Perhaps we should all be more careful in our language and the sources we rely on, perhaps.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

67. Alrighty then, it's your reputation, character, and credibility, not mine. See ya. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. Have a nice day.

Respectfully,
DSB

[berni_mccoy]

63. You're wasting your breath. DSB will always turn whatever I say

Into something evil. They have been trying to alert stalk me for some time. I'm not worried, and neither should you be. I do greatly appreciate the defense though and glad I'm not the only person to witness the infatuation of this person with my posts.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

65. I'm waiting to see if DSB will admit his mistake. If he does not, it will...

...reflect on his character and credibility.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

76. Looks like MineralMan isn't willing to step up to defend you either. Oh well, it's all right here.nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

71. Hi MM, how ya doin' friend? Quick question:

Did berni_mccoy call you a loser upthread?

Good to see ya, man. You keeping warm up there on the northern end of I-35?

[MineralMan]

72. I have no idea.

I don't care much, either way, really.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

73. How did it read to you? It's not far up there ^^^. Please settle this matter. Oh, and...

...hope you're doing well today.

[MineralMan]

74. Not interested.

That's not my job. You work it out for yourself, OK?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

75. I see. Well, I was right then. DSB is wrong and won't admit it. You're not interested...

...in polite salutations either, apparently.

Sorry I bothered you. I thought we were tighter than that.

[MineralMan]

77. You are entitled to your opinion, of course.

I find the argument not to be worthwhile, however.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

80. but you could resolve it with one simple two letter word: No. But you choose not to. It's not...

...a matter of opinion. berni_mccoy's statement either refers to you or it does not. A simple answer to the question: "Did berni_mccoy call you a loser?" has two possible answers and you refuse to say it. You have already typed many words in response to me and yet you can't type a simple yes or no.

A DUer was accused of calling you a loser and I think correcting the record for the accuser is worthwhile. I am sorry that you do not, despite the ease of typing a two or three letter response.

[MineralMan]

81. OK. No. One word. And I mean by that word that:

No, I will not attempt to interpret the intent of some other poster. I cannot read minds, nor do I care to try. I do not care whether or not some other DUer calls me a "loser" or not. It's a matter of no concern to me.

Your attempt to enlist me in your argument with yet another DUer is going to be fruitless. And, with that, I will not reply further in this subthread. There's no there there. I won't play.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

83. Pffftt!! How can you NOT interpret the intent of a poster on the Internet? Why, you'd be...

...forever paralyzed and would be unable to comment or respond for lack of knowing where the poster is coming from. Yet, somehow, you often do! What a cop out! LOL!

I'll take your refusal as a tacit acknowledgment that I don't need your input. DSB was wrong and berni_mccoy WAS NOT referring to you as a "loser".

Very revealing, this sub-thread.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. I couldn't be more disappointed...

If you are calling Joe a loser, then who better to know how a loser talks?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511062174#post8

-berni_mccoy

I could't be more disappointed and less surprised you suggested another member of of our board is a loser.




Respectfully,
DSB

[ChisolmTrailDem]

43. I couldn't be more disappointed that your need to improve your reading comprehension. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. Thank you.

I couldn't be more disappointed that your need to improve your reading comprehension. nt

I couldn't be more disappointed that you feel the need to patronize me.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

49. You're welcome. I feel the need to guide (not patronize) you because you have offered up a...

...false accusation against berni_mccoy.

Simple, really.

And hey, we all lose track sometimes. Even me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. I read and re-read the exchange and stand by my account.

With all due respect,
DSB

[ChisolmTrailDem]

51. Well, you're mistaken and should apologize to berni_mccoy. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. Please see Post 52.

Thank you in advance.


Respectfully,
DSB

[Sheepshank]

92. I read the original post, the same way DSB read it.

Bernie could very easily modify his post to clear things up.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

93. Agreed. However, berni's still not referring to MM. MM knows that. nt

[Sheepshank]

94. How do you know what MM thinks?

and regardless of your interpretation of the goings on in anyone's mind, why should that stop Berni from clarifying? Why is Berni making a stand instead of clarifying something that clearly looks like a personal insult to so many readers?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

95. Ok, let's put it this way: How would Joe Scarborough know how MM talks? nt

[Sheepshank]

96. not making sense....but ok, I get that you are running out of Berni defense arguments n/t

[ChisolmTrailDem]

97. I don't need to make any more arguments on behalf of berni. That's already been...

...accomplished.

DSB is wrong. berni was not referring MM. It's as simple as that. And I have no legitimate challenge to the contrary.

As such, I am done here.

[elias49]

9. I like you MM, but I think you're wrong here.

Have we stooped to shooting the messenger?

[MineralMan]

10. Not all messengers are delivering worthwhile packages.

I have no desire to shoot Joe Scarborough. I just shut him off quite some time ago.

HE'S NOT ON OUR SIDE! (All caps boldfacing emphasis intentional.)

[MADem]

16. I'm with you--can't believe the garbage I'm seeing here, lately--using a WINGNUT ASS to bolster

a position?

When are we going to hear the dulcet, reasoned tones of Rush Limbaugh, I wonder?

[MineralMan]

17. As soon as Limbaugh says something halfway clever,

you'll see it here, I have no doubt. Is he still around, even?

[MADem]

26. No idea--it used to be every day, we'd see some outrage about something he said.

Now there's no outrage. Of course, he never liked HRC, and we have a few rabid haters here too. Enemy of my enemy working there, or something??

[PyaarRevolution]

79. Dead intern? Huh?

Hadn't heard about that much. What's the deal? Is Joe suspected of killing her or him?

[MineralMan]

82. Try Google. I'm not a search engine.

Go look it up.

[Kentonio]

87. That's two posters in this thread that you've blown off after they were nice with you.

Are you having a bad day or just taking things here too personally?

[MineralMan]

88. Neither. Thanks for asking.

[Kentonio]

89. Ok, well I hope your mood improves soon anyway.

[MADem]

15. Quoting a right wing Republican who had TEARS OF JOY in his eyes listening to a GW Bush speech....

And you expect me to be ... IMPRESSED?

If he says DOWN, I'm going UP. If he says RIGHT, I'll go LEFT.

I am not impressed with anything "Scarborough" has to say, and calling his wingnut, agenda-laden claptrap "POWERFUL" tells me that "left" (COUGH) really is RIGHT here on DU these days!!!!

[berni_mccoy]

20. Morning Joe is often cited at DU

For various reasons. His point is still valid.

[MADem]

23. Yeah--usually, in my experience, to LAUGH and MOCK the assclowns running that show.

When you quote that turd to bolster your position, your position is problematic.

Like I said, what's next? The Limbaugh praise?


Please. Between this shit the citations of BREITBART and DAILY CALLER here, the people dragging this crapola in and giving it currency should check themselves. "Anything to WIN" is not a winning strategy.

They're doing more to destroy DU than a full frontal assault from the Conservative Cave could do.

Heckuvajob....

[karynnj]

32. usually not to agree it him

In this, it would be better to go with your on observations. There is plenty of coverage of both Bernie and HRC. I am not seeing what MJ is.

Both HRC and Bernie were on at least one talk show yesterday. Neither projected fear or a concern they were soon to lose. I was impressed with the greater poise that Bernie seemed to have gained from the earlier interviews he did. I also have seen more smiling photos of both Clinton and Bernie than anything looking angry.

[1StrongBlackMan]

78. I rarely have seen Joe Scarborough cited on DU, except mockingly. eom

[randome]

18. This is a right-wing loser's opinion. There are no facts or 'truths' here.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[mikehiggins]

19. No one with any sense of history would think Mourning Joe was a friend

That doesn't mean even a stopped clock (analog) can't be right twice a day. As an official old guy whose seen a lot of campaigns I have to agree with him on this topic.

The HRC campaign really should shut up and work harder if they want to prevail. Supposedly they have a peerless ground game in the early states so concentrate on that. It all comes down to votes and when people see OR THINK you are faltering, things become much, much harder.

[Mike Nelson]

24. Mourning Joe's relentless Hillary attack...

...continues, with Mika making faces like she smelled something bad during rants. They are so mad she gets more speaking fees and won't "join the conversation." But, Trump's wealth is glorious to behold!

[Mike Nelson]

25. ...PS Sanders supporters...

...Joe will smear Bernie with the likewise enthusiasm, should he start winning too many primaries.

[Thinkingabout]

29. This is another example of RW trashing Hillary and with the comments of lately on

Morning Joe by Joe and Mika are working for Sanders. The other day Mika admitted she is upset because Hillary does not go on their show. After the contentious conversations between Joe and Harold Ford lately Joe is in the "I am Republican and I have the right to be nasty mode", I think he si auditioning for a job with FOX.

[aikoaiko]

31. Looks like you touched a nerve with this one.

Who would have thought Scarborough's observations would merit such attention.

[Fawke Em]

33. Well, Bill Clinton sounds like a loser saying what he did.

And that's from Bill. I don't care what Joe says.

[livetohike]

34. LOL. The only powerful thing is his deep seated hatred of the

Clintons since his glory days in Congress twenty years ago. He loves any chance to bash the Clintons.

[BillZBubb]

36. Not a big Hillary fan, but citing Scarborough is pathetic. Nothing POWERFUL about it.

It reeks of desperation.

I definitely lean towards Sanders on the big issues. Are the strong Sanders backers so insecure that they need to take talking points from right wing hacks?

[riversedge]

38. Nope, not wasting 6:26 minutes to watch the Morning Joker

berni......says......
Video worth watching the entire 6:26.

[berni_mccoy]

39. There's a good minute of Bill Clinton speaking in that 6:26...

You sure you don't want to hear what he has to say? It's good, I promise.

[riversedge]

58. The face you make when President Obama basically endorses you...

Jack Miller ‏@politicalmiller 30m30 minutes ago

The face you make when President Obama basically endorses you...



#ImWithHer #sctweets
READ: http://politi.co/1Jxg0Uh

[reddread]

44. understating the obvious

[Jim Lane]

45. Clinton supporters happily quoted WSJ's right-wing attack on Sanders's health care plan.

OMG! That Socialist candidate wants to spend $18 trillion on yet another Big Gummint program, consigning our children and our children's children to a lifetime of paying off debt! It says so right here in the newspaper -- and, immediately thereafter, right here on DU.

I haven't watched the Scarborough video. I express no opinion about whether this particular observation of his has any merit. I merely note the hypocrisy of the implication in this thread that one may never quote a right-wing source for any purpose whatsoever.

[artislife]

64. I liked the video, thanks for posting

I am surprised, but watching the videos of Morning Joe on the board in the last few months, I have seen Mika not underestimate Bernie. This has been an "evolution" and who would have guessed out of all the MSNBC shows, it would be this one?


Love that it is hated by the other side.

[Sheepshank]

90. Breaking News: Bernie fans pull Joe out from under the Bus

isn't that precious?