2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumObama defends Clinton, likens Sanders to 'bright, shiny object'
Weighing in extensively on the race a week before the leadoff Iowa caucuses where Clinton and Sanders are locked in a tight race, the president told Politico that Clinton entered the race with the privilege and burden of being perceived as the frontrunner.
By contrast, he said, I think Bernie came in with the luxury of being a complete longshot and just letting loose.
Obama offered this context to explain the dynamic in the race, with Sanders increasingly posing a challenge to what was once thought to be Clintons cakewalk to the nomination. He cast Clinton as the experienced candidate, and Sanders as the new political attraction that has captured voters attention.
She is a good, smart, tough person who cares deeply about this country, and she has been in the public eye for a long time and in a culture in which new is always better. And, you know, you're always looking at the bright, shiny object that people don't, haven't seen before, Obama said. That's a disadvantage to her. Bernie is somebody who -- although I don't know as well because he wasn't, obviously, in my administration, has the virtue of saying exactly what he believes, and great authenticity, great passion, and is fearless. His attitude is, I got nothing to lose.
More at http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/25/obama-defends-clinton-likens-sanders-to-bright-shiny-object.html
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)A Progressive politician that means what they say and acts accordingly.
I can't think of anything better.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Stupid fucking retards....yeah...
Human101948
(3,457 posts)I like it !
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)That was what Obama's press secretary called us.
And tightwad Soros is late with his check again this month....
Tortmaster
(382 posts)"The bright, shouty object."
Just a joke. President Obama, again, got it exactly right. I found the story, as it was published elsewhere, to be very good. President Obama is a pragmatic and intelligent and discerning person.
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Orsino
(37,428 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)in this case, to "remain neutral" in Primary.
I always try to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, he ran as the hope & change
progressive candidate against Hillary in 2008. I've voted for him at every opportunity
ever since.
It's really disappointing to see Obama jumping on the "circling Establishment wagons"
bandwagon right before Iowa, when he said he wouldn't do this. It makes me feel really
sad and disappointed, and kind of embarrassed for him in a weird way.
It's very fascinating to see how the political landscape is morphing virtually overnight,
the more it looks like Sanders is going to win both Iowa and NH, as the Goldman Sachs
owned Establishment pulls out all the stops, to try shut-down the voice of 'the little people'
who have decided "fuck this shit" enough is enough!!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a minor weight on her side but it is early and probably wouldn't be happening if Bernie weren't threatening to take NH and IA.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)We're being baited to attack Obama, in an attempt to alienate as many AA's
as possible, and I'm determined to not do that.
Thanks for your reply
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)DU's importance, but by all means avoid offending your natural allies out there as much as possible anyway.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Only on Fox news and DU could "shiny new object" be an insult. Actually, it is an insult ... to our intelligence.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Those were Obama's own thoughts and words. Why would he prefer Sanders to continue his legacy? That's silly. He and Hillary are politically and personally closer. She was also his choice for SOS.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Particularly when Sanders has made it ABUNDANTLY clear that he will do no such thing. That "course correction" and all.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Have I been disappointed with his Wall St.-friendly appointments. Yes.
Not managing to close Gitmo yet? well, yah.
Still being in Afghanistan? .. ok, yes again.
On the whole though, I do respect Obama's tenacity and how he's handled himself
in the face of racist animosities and irrational obstructions by most Republicans in
Congress. Kudos to O for Iran deal & and easing relations with Cuba.
The 'bright & shiny object' thing really hasn't applied to him, & doesn't now either. it's
a disrespectful slur, and I kinda thought Obama wouldn't resort to that kind of thing in
the Primary. It makes me sad to see it.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)If he was he would have Clinton type money already, he's been in public life long enough to have amassed quite a large sum.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"Clinton-type money" until after Bill left the presidency and his speaker fees -- in the upper strata that are now filled with incredible, incredible wealth (our wealth) -- went through the ceiling. After all, for people who'll pay $100 million for a painting, what's $200K to pay an ex-president to be a trophy speaker at their meetings? Chump change at that level.
Bernie'd be in his 80s after his presidency and maybe little more interested in sweeping up some of the riches lying all around him; but on the bright side, if he loses his speaker fees will still be far from paltry, probably in the mid 5-figure to low 6-figure range.
BTW, the Clintons came out of the Arkansas governorship practically poor. Literally. They'd accumulated not much of anything beyond the worn furniture they decorated their Arkansas state house attic apartment with. Then Bill ran for president. You should be cheered at least that an up-by-his-bootstraps boy could go on from there to become president.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)He could have retired at any time and collected fat speaker and "consulting" fees.
It's true that he'd have for settle for a "measly" $10,000 or $125,000 fee for one nights work, but those can add up pretty quickly.
Instead he chose to stay in the arens and foight for the people of Vermont and America.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)will be very good for him economically if he chooses to cash in. Please don't automaticallly think poorly of him if he does. Money is power.
Ask Mitch McConnell and what he's been able to accomplish with all the Chinese money he's used to put grateful people in many offices. Of course, Bernie's foci would be far more honorable.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)he is preparing to rake it in post presidency.
no surprise he would support clinton and trash bernie.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)that has a magnetic effect, pulling voters into his orbit.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)coming from the man who was the "bright shiny object" in 2008.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)of the new "bright shiny object".
You took the words right out of my mouth.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)But I'm not.
And I'm more than a little disappointed in his comments because, eight years ago, he was the bright shiny object that people didn't know and hadn't seen before. He rode that all the way to the white house and then promptly forgot about it, as he turned into basically, just another DC political hack. Yes, he was a huge improvement over the disasters of Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II that preceded him, but he didn't come anywhere near the promise he showed in his first campaign. He never even tried. And now, as he prepares to leave office next year, he is tying his presidency to the passage of yet another job killing giveaway to corporations, the TPP.
I think he knows that if Sanders is elected, he will actually try to follow through on some of the stuff that he, Obama, didn't have the will to take action on. He may not succeed, of course, but the fact that he is willing to fight for it will make Obama look bad.
Clinton? She'll be just like Obama except with more wars.
Thanks for this post!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)WaPo and Politico have the same quotes.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Vinca
(50,278 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)on his part, along with the long-shot comparison. Dude just described himself in '08 to a T.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Read or watch the actual interview. This is in no way a call out. Some guy at Fox news and the Washington Post said it was.
Reminder: multiple studies have shown that even Liberals who watch Fox news end up believing falsehoods on the issues than those who ignore Fox altogether.
Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)Kind of why I was attracted to Obama as well.
Hopefully once Bernie is elected - he won't tarnish!!!!
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)Hillary is out of stock when it comes to the truth. Bernie seems to have a limitless supply.
That was a key reason I supported Barack Obama - when you got past the uplifting speeches and exhilarating hope, there was no doubt he was the more honest candidate.
I want to know what I'm supporting and get a reasonable effort that my candidate will try to deliver on it - even if it's hard. Obama did that better than Hillary and Bernie gives me a similar feeling compared to Hillary.
Obama and Sanders are two very different people with different feelings in different circumstances. So I realize that it might not turn out the same way and we have no guarantee that it will.
I have to follow my head and my heart - those are beyond "Bright and Shiny Things"
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)in primaries.
He did it in my state once to get his boot licking
guy into the Senate, and unfortunately was
successful.
I hope that this one turns out differently.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)But in a candid 40-minute interview for POLITICOs Off Message podcast as the first flakes of the blizzard fell outside the Oval Office, he couldnt hide his obvious affection for Clinton or his implicit feeling that she, not Sanders, best understands the unpalatably pragmatic demands of a presidency he likens to the worlds most challenging walk-and-chew-gum exercise.
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The truth is, in 2007 and 2008, sometimes my supporters and my staff, I think, got too huffy about what were legitimate questions she was raising, he admitted. And there were times where I think the media probably was a little unfair to her and tilted a little my way in calling her out.
In fact, he said, Clinton had a tougher job throughout that primary than I did.
She had to do everything that I had to do, except, like Ginger Rogers, backwards in heels, he said. She had to wake up earlier than I did because she had to get her hair done. She had to, you know, handle all the expectations that were placed on her.
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Its an open secret inside the White House that Obama was relieved to see Vice President Joe Biden pass on a 2016 presidential run though he did nothing to prod his friend in either direction. Obama has remained above the fray in the Clinton-Sanders duel, but people close to him say he believes his onetime opponent is better equipped to defeat the Republicans.
Hes not panicked by Sanders, said one former top aide, but hes clearly thumbing the scale for Hillary.
I'm glad he said that in 2008 Hillary was given a harder time that he was by the media. They are still doing it. They are chortling about Sanders being ahead in IA & NH. As for who he prefers to continue his legacy, of course it's Hillary. Did anyone think that he would say Sanders?
toshiba783
(74 posts)John Heilemann and Mark Halperin briefly mentioned this thought on their MSNBC show today (not in relation to the Obama quote) - just that Sanders is having the luxury of going negative (including personal attacks) behind the scenes, but is not being called out by the media, they empathized with the frustration coming from the Clinton camp.
I do wonder what stories both sides are feeding to the press.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)They love to demonize Hillary. It won't work this time around. I tried to watch objectively last night the three people at the town hall and still think that she sounded the most presidential of the three.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I think it is demeaning to Bernie supporters.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)the national stage speaking at the national convention, and he hadn't even been a Senator nearly as long as Sanders. He was just a good orator. Bernie is much more than a good orator. He has had decades of service to the American people and has affected change in legislative policy.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)This guy has been a disaster
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)You do realize that you're criticizing a 74 year old guy who has been in Washington since 1990?
You, Mr President, are the ultimate beneficiary of "new is always better", you encouraged voters to project their own beliefs onto you as perceived promises.
Bernie is the opposite. He's been saying the same things for fifty years.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)DaGimpster
(130 posts)Somewhat entertaining that President Obama, a one-term Senator (yes, I realized he served in Illinois too), would liken a man who's held elected office since 1981 a "bright, shiney object". That said, I'm trying to be cautious given this was a Fox News citation.
I'm honestly curious about something: what does Mr. Obama attribute his rapid rise to national prominence to?
polly7
(20,582 posts)That's sad.
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)Now I'm going for a candidate with 30+ years of experience at the local, state and federal level.
Bright, shiny object bullshit.
Lemoni
(5 posts)Well said.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)"The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican," he told Noticias Univision 23 in a White House interview.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/272957-obama-says-his-economic-policies-so-mainstream-hed-be-seen-as-moderate-republican-in-1980s
Must take some massive doublethink for his Bernie-supporting fans to rationalize this. A moderate Republican in the 80s would never support someone like Bernie.
Tortmaster
(382 posts)... he can look to his running away from a very popular Democratic President. That will be the reason for the loss.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)So, I agree. Bernie is a bright shiny beacon of hope.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Even Sanders bright and shiny aspects are becoming dull.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)That's a positive statement about Bernie.