2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOrder of Town Hall: Bernie followed by the two acceptable establishment candidates:O'Malley,Clinton
Surprised: No.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)Will they be on the stage at the same time or are they appearing individually?
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)appear individually. So Bernie can get directly or indirectly attack and have NO chance to reply.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)won't be in the room with Bernie which enables both of them to talk to their teams to develop the best rebuttals.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)and as you state if they're not in the same room, Hillary and O'Malley can converse with their teams about rebutting.
I hope the good people of Iowa and across the nation pick up on this.
I expect O'Malley and Hillary to pile on Bernie.
O'Malley knows he doesn't stand a chance of winning the nomination so he will be running for Vice President.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)he is there to split the ant hc vote
really upsets me since, on paper, except for his unconstitutional broken windows policy , he might of been a future leader in the democratic party
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)no chance for bs or mom to rebut.
no matter, people are seeing through the rigging to the truth.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)And if she were right in the middle, it would be proof that it's rigged.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)no one can rebut.
but this was expected, no worries.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Then it would be unfair because he got stuck at the very end when hardly anyone was still watching.
No matter where they put him, people would complain that he's being railroaded. And no matter where they put Clinton, the same people would complain that she was given the best position.
"Why does SHE get to go FIRST?! Obviously, this is FIXED!"
"Oh, SURE, put her right in the MIDDLE when the most people will probably be watching! Obviously, this is FIXED!"
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i would have preferred sanders being last or second
just my personal preference
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)People tend to remember the first and last thing they heard and forget what is in the middle.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i used be in competition when i was a kid (drum corps stuff), and i still remember the leader saying you want to be first or you want to be last. , last is better of course, but yes, mom could get lost in the middle
i hope he does well tonight
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)kinda like the GOP leaders get center stage
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Corrected.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Watch out for Clinton to promote him as head of the DNC at the convention. The platform he is currently running on is so solid and thorough that it could be adopted as our party platform at the convention.
Really excited!!!!!!
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Good point. Both he and Clinton know how the game is played.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)Just had another walk-back from the Sanders camp. Saw this tweet a bit ago.
@KateBolduan 1h1 hour ago
After hitting HRC on being "establishment," Sanders advisor concedes he's part of the "establishment" too
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I just love how the other poster goes with the "O'Malley knows how the game is played" argument. Simple flow states they don't even believe Sanders knows how DC works. I can agree with that.
Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)The other so-called "walk-back" was Sanders shooting down what SOMEONE ELSE said...making it not a walk-back. I saw that OP yesterday. The title was misleading spin.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...Martin O'Malley, the only true outsider in this race, benefits from your candidate's bickering over which one of the two decades-long fixtures in D.C. politics is 'establishment' or not.
Hilarious that anyone would suggest that anyone voting over 98% of the time with Democrats in Washington, as Sanders has over the decades, makes them anything other than part and parcel of the Democratic establishment.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They have made it clear that any progressive who has negotiated and worked to make society better for us will be attacked relentlessly. You seem to be much nicer than I. I'm finding that accomplished progressives like O'Malley are hated by many Sanders supporters. Kind of funny that their "blank slate" is the only career politician running.
askew
(1,464 posts)In his entire career.
This silly argument over establishment/anti-establishment doesn't matter to 90% of voters. What matters is policy and who has gotten things done for the people. O'Malley has and no other candidate can match what he's accomplished. In a world where the DNC didn't fix the debate schedule to protect Hillary, we'd be able to have a substantive debate over which candidate has released the best policy proposals and who has the best track record to deliver on those proposals. Instead we are left with useless bickering about labels.
cali
(114,904 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)to join the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
You don't like the "Establishment", but that is what wins a freaking election.
The infrastructure should just sprout up magically on election day for Saint Bernie.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Because it is the same thing coming out of camp clinton.
Recycle.
mythology
(9,527 posts)That refers to Clinton as her royal highness.
Name calling is stupid on both sides.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Bernie is the only one I care to hear speak, so for me I'm glad he'll be on first. First up is probably not the best slot in terms of # of viewers tuned in at the time, but Bernie gets most of his coverage through Social Media anyway so I don't think it will be a big deal in the long run.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Because, God forbid, you listen to someone with whom you don't agree...
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)what the Clinton's are about so I don't really feel any pressing need to watch when I already understand what another Clinton administration would be about. O'Malley does not inspire me much either; sorry but he just doesn't. I've listened to him speak before several times, and while I don't have a problem with much of what he says, but he comes off as lacking sincerity. Bernie on the other hand, can reach out and touch our humanity in a way that I have rarely ever seen in my lifetime. Bernie is my candidate, I am very proud to support him, and I have absolutely no intention of changing my mind.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Everyone knew the queen would get the last word. It's a set-up for taking Bernie down. So predictable!
Too bad it's going to fail! Corruption will Not prevail!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
riversedge
(70,242 posts)@KateBolduan 1h1 hour ago
After hitting HRC on being "establishment," Sanders advisor concedes he's part of the "establishment" too
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)Even a fresh-laid under-200 newbie could see this coming as soon as the event was known
Wonder who will get the last word?
They really do think voters are stupid, don't they? The Trump comparisons are being applied to the wrong side, I think.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)town hall meeting were granted, the sequence
of speakers was only too obvious.
askew
(1,464 posts)I was afraid they were going to stick O'Malley at the end after Bernie and Hillary. By going first, Bernie doesn't have to worry about mild Hillary supporters tuning out before he speaks.
I just hope that the speaking time will be equal and that the questions will be of equal value for each candidate. In the Black/Brown forum, Hillary got softball ?s, Bernie got policy ?s and O'Malley got a bunch of stupid horserace ?s. They all should be asked substantive policy ?s and no horserace ?s at all.
I also hope that immigration reform and climate change are topics in the forum. We've beaten the foreign policy/ISIS debate to death by this point, but we have yet to have a substantive conversation on climate change or immigration. So, frustrating.