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Order of Town Hall: Bernie followed by the two acceptable establishment candidates:O'Malley,Clinton (Original Post) Skwmom Jan 2016 OP
Are you saying that they're speaking to them in that order? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #1
The said on CNN the order would be Sanders, then O'Malley, then Clinton so it would seem they would Skwmom Jan 2016 #5
It'sworse because according to DemocratSinceBirth Hillary and OMalley snagglepuss Jan 2016 #30
The closer IS in the best position, they get the last word, no chance for rebuttal from an opponent Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #35
omalley has always been in the race to protect hc questionseverything Jan 2016 #36
of course clinton is the closer. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #2
And if she were the opener, it would be proof that it's rigged Empowerer Jan 2016 #10
the closer is the best position restorefreedom Jan 2016 #11
Unless Sanders were the closer Empowerer Jan 2016 #16
Is your whole world this far removed from reality? nt Snotcicles Jan 2016 #20
Empowerer isn't the poster who started a thread to complain about the sequence./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #38
you can think what you like about the order restorefreedom Jan 2016 #25
The primacy and recency effect suggests MOM is at the greatest disadvantage. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #37
actually, i think you are right about that restorefreedom Jan 2016 #39
Rachel Maddow also had Clinton on Last. I guess it's the privilege of being the frontrunner Sheepshank Jan 2016 #27
i knew she would go last... Punkingal Jan 2016 #3
Order of Town Hall: Bernie followed by the two acceptable candidates:O'Malley,Clinton NCTraveler Jan 2016 #4
O'Malley is establishment trying to repackage as anti-establishment. Skwmom Jan 2016 #8
Love O'Malley. If he doesn't make it in the primary,.... NCTraveler Jan 2016 #9
I'm sure there will be something in it for O'Malley. He knows how the game is played. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #13
"He knows how the game is played." NCTraveler Jan 2016 #17
Sanders advisor concedes he's part of the "establishment" too riversedge Jan 2016 #23
He is the only career politician running in the den primary. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #24
"another" Qutzupalotl Jan 2016 #33
after decades of progressive fights and progressive accomplishments bigtree Jan 2016 #14
What really bothers me. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #19
O'Malley's accomplished more progressive policy in his 2 terms as governor than Sanders has askew Jan 2016 #32
I expect nothing but machinations favorable to the establishment anointed one cali Jan 2016 #6
You can expect Sanders to get what he qualifies for as someone who never bothered KittyWampus Jan 2016 #15
Saint Bernie..did you use the phrase magical negro in 2008? artislife Jan 2016 #28
To be fair there is a post further down mythology Jan 2016 #34
Means I can bug out early though. NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #7
Kind of like putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "NA NA NA-I'm not LISTENING to YOU!" Empowerer Jan 2016 #18
To be honest with you, I've been around long enough to know NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #21
The fix was in when TPTB decided HRH needed this Town Hall to boost her campaign. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #12
Sanders advisor concedes he's part of the "establishment" too riversedge Jan 2016 #22
Nope, no surprise Mike__M Jan 2016 #26
Once it was known whose wishes for this sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #29
I think that is good for Bernie and O'Malley. askew Jan 2016 #31

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
1. Are you saying that they're speaking to them in that order?
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jan 2016

Will they be on the stage at the same time or are they appearing individually?

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
5. The said on CNN the order would be Sanders, then O'Malley, then Clinton so it would seem they would
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 02:50 PM
Jan 2016

appear individually. So Bernie can get directly or indirectly attack and have NO chance to reply.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
30. It'sworse because according to DemocratSinceBirth Hillary and OMalley
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:21 PM
Jan 2016

won't be in the room with Bernie which enables both of them to talk to their teams to develop the best rebuttals.


Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
35. The closer IS in the best position, they get the last word, no chance for rebuttal from an opponent
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jan 2016

and as you state if they're not in the same room, Hillary and O'Malley can converse with their teams about rebutting.

I hope the good people of Iowa and across the nation pick up on this.

I expect O'Malley and Hillary to pile on Bernie.

O'Malley knows he doesn't stand a chance of winning the nomination so he will be running for Vice President.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
36. omalley has always been in the race to protect hc
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jan 2016

he is there to split the ant hc vote

really upsets me since, on paper, except for his unconstitutional broken windows policy , he might of been a future leader in the democratic party

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
2. of course clinton is the closer.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jan 2016

no chance for bs or mom to rebut.

no matter, people are seeing through the rigging to the truth.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
10. And if she were the opener, it would be proof that it's rigged
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jan 2016

And if she were right in the middle, it would be proof that it's rigged.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
16. Unless Sanders were the closer
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jan 2016

Then it would be unfair because he got stuck at the very end when hardly anyone was still watching.

No matter where they put him, people would complain that he's being railroaded. And no matter where they put Clinton, the same people would complain that she was given the best position.

"Why does SHE get to go FIRST?! Obviously, this is FIXED!"
"Oh, SURE, put her right in the MIDDLE when the most people will probably be watching! Obviously, this is FIXED!"

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
25. you can think what you like about the order
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jan 2016

i would have preferred sanders being last or second

just my personal preference

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
37. The primacy and recency effect suggests MOM is at the greatest disadvantage.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jan 2016

People tend to remember the first and last thing they heard and forget what is in the middle.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
39. actually, i think you are right about that
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:29 PM
Jan 2016

i used be in competition when i was a kid (drum corps stuff), and i still remember the leader saying you want to be first or you want to be last. , last is better of course, but yes, mom could get lost in the middle

i hope he does well tonight

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
27. Rachel Maddow also had Clinton on Last. I guess it's the privilege of being the frontrunner
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:11 PM
Jan 2016

kinda like the GOP leaders get center stage

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
9. Love O'Malley. If he doesn't make it in the primary,....
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jan 2016

Watch out for Clinton to promote him as head of the DNC at the convention. The platform he is currently running on is so solid and thorough that it could be adopted as our party platform at the convention.

Really excited!!!!!!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
17. "He knows how the game is played."
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jan 2016

Good point. Both he and Clinton know how the game is played.

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
23. Sanders advisor concedes he's part of the "establishment" too
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:39 PM
Jan 2016

Just had another walk-back from the Sanders camp. Saw this tweet a bit ago.

@KateBolduan 1h1 hour ago

After hitting HRC on being "establishment," Sanders advisor concedes he's part of the "establishment" too

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
24. He is the only career politician running in the den primary.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jan 2016

I just love how the other poster goes with the "O'Malley knows how the game is played" argument. Simple flow states they don't even believe Sanders knows how DC works. I can agree with that.

Qutzupalotl

(14,317 posts)
33. "another"
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jan 2016

The other so-called "walk-back" was Sanders shooting down what SOMEONE ELSE said...making it not a walk-back. I saw that OP yesterday. The title was misleading spin.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
14. after decades of progressive fights and progressive accomplishments
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 02:59 PM
Jan 2016

...Martin O'Malley, the only true outsider in this race, benefits from your candidate's bickering over which one of the two decades-long fixtures in D.C. politics is 'establishment' or not.

Hilarious that anyone would suggest that anyone voting over 98% of the time with Democrats in Washington, as Sanders has over the decades, makes them anything other than part and parcel of the Democratic establishment.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. What really bothers me.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jan 2016

They have made it clear that any progressive who has negotiated and worked to make society better for us will be attacked relentlessly. You seem to be much nicer than I. I'm finding that accomplished progressives like O'Malley are hated by many Sanders supporters. Kind of funny that their "blank slate" is the only career politician running.

askew

(1,464 posts)
32. O'Malley's accomplished more progressive policy in his 2 terms as governor than Sanders has
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jan 2016

In his entire career.

This silly argument over establishment/anti-establishment doesn't matter to 90% of voters. What matters is policy and who has gotten things done for the people. O'Malley has and no other candidate can match what he's accomplished. In a world where the DNC didn't fix the debate schedule to protect Hillary, we'd be able to have a substantive debate over which candidate has released the best policy proposals and who has the best track record to deliver on those proposals. Instead we are left with useless bickering about labels.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
15. You can expect Sanders to get what he qualifies for as someone who never bothered
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 02:59 PM
Jan 2016

to join the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

You don't like the "Establishment", but that is what wins a freaking election.

The infrastructure should just sprout up magically on election day for Saint Bernie.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
28. Saint Bernie..did you use the phrase magical negro in 2008?
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jan 2016

Because it is the same thing coming out of camp clinton.


Recycle.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
34. To be fair there is a post further down
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:34 PM
Jan 2016

That refers to Clinton as her royal highness.

Name calling is stupid on both sides.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
7. Means I can bug out early though.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie is the only one I care to hear speak, so for me I'm glad he'll be on first. First up is probably not the best slot in terms of # of viewers tuned in at the time, but Bernie gets most of his coverage through Social Media anyway so I don't think it will be a big deal in the long run.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
18. Kind of like putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "NA NA NA-I'm not LISTENING to YOU!"
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jan 2016

Because, God forbid, you listen to someone with whom you don't agree...

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
21. To be honest with you, I've been around long enough to know
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jan 2016

what the Clinton's are about so I don't really feel any pressing need to watch when I already understand what another Clinton administration would be about. O'Malley does not inspire me much either; sorry but he just doesn't. I've listened to him speak before several times, and while I don't have a problem with much of what he says, but he comes off as lacking sincerity. Bernie on the other hand, can reach out and touch our humanity in a way that I have rarely ever seen in my lifetime. Bernie is my candidate, I am very proud to support him, and I have absolutely no intention of changing my mind.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
12. The fix was in when TPTB decided HRH needed this Town Hall to boost her campaign.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jan 2016

Everyone knew the queen would get the last word. It's a set-up for taking Bernie down. So predictable!

Too bad it's going to fail! Corruption will Not prevail!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
22. Sanders advisor concedes he's part of the "establishment" too
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:35 PM
Jan 2016


@KateBolduan 1h1 hour ago

After hitting HRC on being "establishment," Sanders advisor concedes he's part of the "establishment" too

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
26. Nope, no surprise
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:08 PM
Jan 2016

Even a fresh-laid under-200 newbie could see this coming as soon as the event was known

Wonder who will get the last word?

They really do think voters are stupid, don't they? The Trump comparisons are being applied to the wrong side, I think.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
29. Once it was known whose wishes for this
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:16 PM
Jan 2016

town hall meeting were granted, the sequence
of speakers was only too obvious.

askew

(1,464 posts)
31. I think that is good for Bernie and O'Malley.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jan 2016

I was afraid they were going to stick O'Malley at the end after Bernie and Hillary. By going first, Bernie doesn't have to worry about mild Hillary supporters tuning out before he speaks.

I just hope that the speaking time will be equal and that the questions will be of equal value for each candidate. In the Black/Brown forum, Hillary got softball ?s, Bernie got policy ?s and O'Malley got a bunch of stupid horserace ?s. They all should be asked substantive policy ?s and no horserace ?s at all.

I also hope that immigration reform and climate change are topics in the forum. We've beaten the foreign policy/ISIS debate to death by this point, but we have yet to have a substantive conversation on climate change or immigration. So, frustrating.

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