Another Sanders walk-back--" Sanders advisor concedes he's part of the "establishment" too

[riversedge]

Last edited Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:19 PM - Edit history (1)

So many walk backs lately.




Kate Bolduan ‏@KateBolduan 1h1 hour ago

After hitting HRC on being "establishment," Sanders advisor concedes he's part of the "establishment" too


Video
https://twitter.com/KateBolduan/status/691680687624208384


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[Iliyah]

1. LOL

[MrWendel]

2. Wow.

Off Message.

[MineralMan]

3. Anyone who serves multiple terms in Congress

is part of the "establishment." The Constitution "establishes" Congress as our legislative body. It IS "the establishment."

[riversedge]

6. Perhaps this silly game will end??

[MineralMan]

7. I doubt it very much.

I created an OP on the subject, though, of "The Establishment."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511063720

[AgingAmerican]

30. He is an outsider, hence the establishment's panic at his rise

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Establishment

[MineralMan]

32. He's a multi-term Senator.

One of only 100 at any given time. He's part of the establishment. No question about it.

[AgingAmerican]

36. Doesn't matter

He has always been an outsider. "multi-term Senator" is not the definition of the establishment.

[riversedge]

43. Thanks for the heads up. Wil go read it.

[TheProgressive]

23. Here is the definition that best fits the term as used...

Establishment


3 (usu. the Establishment) a group in a society exercising power and influence over matters of policy or taste, and seen as resisting change.
• [ with adj. ] an influential group within a specified profession or area of activity: rumblings of discontent among the medical establishment.



Clearly Sanders is not part of the Establishment and Clinton is.

[riversedge]

34. The gig is up--Sanders advisor did not get the talking points. See the OP

[TheProgressive]

46. "....and seen as resisting change. "

Got to read the entire definition...

[brooklynite]

38. As as a US Senator, Senator Sanders helps exercise power and influence...

...unless you feel he's unable to influence others, in which case his "years of fighting for (issue of your choice)" are sort of pointless.

[TheProgressive]

47. "....and seen as resisting change. "

It's called reading comprehension...

And nice deflection - sign of a losing argument...

[Freddie Stubbs]

50. It's a sad commentary on Bernie if he has little power or influence after 25 years in Congress.

Maybe he would be able to accomplish something if he had a good 15 or 20 years in the White House.

[TheProgressive]

51. It's really sad how desperate Clinton supporters are... don't you agree?

[hrmjustin]

4. .

Someone forgot his talking points.

[BlueCaliDem]

5. Well, at least his advisor is honest and truthful about that.

Unlike some of his supporters who suffer CDS.

and rec'd

[mcar]

8. Hmmm

Curious.

[NurseJackie]

9. Ha!! :-D (nt)

[TCJ70]

10. Clearly I'm missing something...

...is there any context to this? There are no links in this post at all...

[ProudToBeLiberal]

13. Here's the link to the video and tweet

https://twitter.com/KateBolduan/status/691680687624208384

[TCJ70]

24. Cool. Thanks...

...and that was a pretty stupid thing to say. Despite this guys statement, it's still a pretty big stretch to say Bernie is part of the establishment as the term is being used this time around. If your definition of establishment is "Been there for a long time", then yes he is part of that establishment. If your definition of establishment is easily bought and paid for politician, then no, he is not part of that establishment.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

25. Well Bernie is definitely not Mr. Smith goes to Washington

If you listen to him closely, he's not anti-Washington establishment. He rails against Wall Street, but he is surprisingly quiet about Washington. He's a creature of Washington so he can't be to anti Washington.

[TCJ70]

33. I don't know...

...he's been pretty clear with his message for years that we have a corrupt political system that slows progress. That's what the railing against PAC's and such is about. He also regularly questions the priorities of Washington. The message that it doesn't only take one guy to change things is also on point. That's my take on it anyway. Quiet isn't a word I would use to describe Sanders at all...

[ProudToBeLiberal]

41. Well, he is part of the Washington establishment.

He's been in Congress over 20 years. So, he isn't going to go to Washington to clean house like Mr. Smith. He is part of the system. There is no denying that.

[TCJ70]

45. That's what the whole "revolution" thing...

...is about, though.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

48. Then he should have resigned from Congress a long time ago.

He's not really calling for a revolution. You can't really be a revolutionary when you are so entrenched in the establishment in system. What he is really calling for is a bloodless coup. He is going to overthrow the ruling class from within the system.

[immoderate]

42. Is 'citizens united' establishment?

If you listen closely he is against it. He does favor the democratic process though. Is that establishment?

Do you see how stupid this thread is?

--imm

[farleftlib]

44. No they don't see it at all

They are that clueless. I am giggling so hard that they think they've actually got something damaging here.

[asuhornets]

67. Maybe no one wants to give him money.. n/t

[riversedge]

15. Larry Cohan said it There is a video at the hosts account in the OP

[lunamagica]

11. K&R. It was just to much, to be in congress for decades

and then claim he wasn't part of the "Establishment"

How could he keep that up?

[Vincardog]

18. There is a difference between working within a system and promoting the inequitites of that system.

The "Establishment" as personified by the DLC/Third way/New democrats is not the same as the machinery necessary to govern.

[farleftlib]

20. You're wasting your breath

They actually think this is a "gotcha" and nothing is going to change their minds.

[Vincardog]

21. Agreed

[lunamagica]

55. His campaign just admitted he is part of the Establishment.

[Vincardog]

57. Your point is?

[lunamagica]

59. Clearly, my point is that the OP is right

[Vincardog]

60. There is a difference between working within a system and promoting the inequitites of that system.

The "Establishment" as personified by the DLC/Third way/New democrats is not the same as the machinery necessary to govern.

Is that your point?

[lunamagica]

64. I clearly explained my point. Sorry you are unable to understand it

[farleftlib]

62. See? It's truly amazing

2 +2 = rhinoceros.

There's no there there.

[Vincardog]

63. Are they even real people or are they bots?

[farleftlib]

66. Well, they believe

That this: The Establishment generally denotes a dominant group or elite that holds power or authority in a nation or organization describes SBS and that he's been caught cold busted and has been forced to admit it.

Bots, definitely bots.

[cali]

12. Link?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

14. Here's the link to the video and tweet

https://twitter.com/KateBolduan/status/691680687624208384

[riversedge]

16. Thank you. I got not get the video to transfer.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

19. you see the "..." Click on that and there is a option to

copy link to tweet.

[riversedge]

26. uummmmm lets see if it shows up

https://twitter.com/KateBolduan/status/691680687624208384

[ViseGrip]

29. Bernie's establishment ties are that he sits along with the elected body government. NEVER EVER

did he go outside of that to enrich himself. This OP is rich in itself.

[riversedge]

28. oH joys--A BIG THANK YOU. SO SO MUCH --GREAT DIRECTIONS

[ProudToBeLiberal]

35. I'm glad I can help :). nt

[Sheepshank]

17. For someone who has run for public office as their only career path...how is he not establishment?

decades of collecting a government check, running in elections, playing the political games, how does anyone ever claim they are not "establishment"?

Perhaps a definition would help. Not one presumed and manufactured by a Bernie surrogate, but a clarification from Bernie.

[Quayblue]

56. +1 nt

[Matariki]

22. Oh you all are so funny.

what with your word of the day and all.

[ViseGrip]

27. More immature and laughable than anything. Only similarity is he sits and works with them, but

does it for the people. The OP has a candidate who went far out of establishment perimeters of being an elected.

[closeupready]

31. Of course he is. I always recognized that. Most thinking people did.

Hardly a 'walk-back'. lol

[closeupready]

37. Further, at least he knows what it means. Hillary claims she doesn't know what it means.

Rather than concede the truth that yes, she is establishment, she denies knowing what the terms means.

Sigh.

[Number23]

39. Uh oh. He better close down his Facebook page.

[Iliyah]

49. Nah, wouldn't that be like eating their own.

[riversedge]

69. Kinda agree but we will see.

[draa]

40. Funny thing is no one knows Bernie so this line is weak.

When voters first see Bernie most go "Who is he?" The establishment line only works if someone is known. Who in the hell other than a moron would look at someone they never seen or heard anything about and say "Ah, so it's HIS fault that things are so bad." Too damn funny and Clinton supporters think this will stick.

[workinclasszero]

52. Bernie needs rear view mirrors on his eyeglasses

He's backing up so much, he needs them bad!

[guillaumeb]

53. Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Establishment?

Now where have I heard that usage before?

[jillan]

54. As an Independent meaning he does not walk the party line.

[Motown_Johnny]

58. When did he ever claim not to be?

He can take on the establishment from the inside.

[uponit7771]

71. When he first starts to chide the "status quo"

[Motown_Johnny]

73. So you admit he never said it and that the OP is just bull shit?

[asuhornets]

61. Thank You!! n/t

[Betty Karlson]

65. Tone-deaf, edition # 162:

The issue is not whether Clinton or Sanders are or aren't part of the establishment, but whether they are willing to stand up to the establishment - in order to reform the corrupt and corrupting power structures that have pervaded our socio-politico-economic life.

Clinton is the status quo candidate, Sanders is the man willing to reform. But please, let's all just focus on the definition of establishment. So important...

pffffffff... NEXT!

[DURHAM D]

68. Oh. I am surprised.

I thought this was going to be about the fact that his top adviser was a Monsanto lobbyist.

[riversedge]

70. my my. I learn something new everyday. thanks

[Fearless]

72. Do you remember when McCarthy suggested that a certain seated president was a communist?

That's what you're doing here.

And it will work just as well.

Good luck.