Ta-Nahesi Coates -- under the bus or not?

[DanTex]

This might rip the fabric of the space-time continuum.

Last week, Ta-Nahesi Coates correctly criticized Bernie's campaign for going all-in with infeasible plans on economic issues, while "dismissing reparations specifically, and for offering up a series of moderate anti-racist solutions." And we all know what happens to people who commit that sort of thought-crime.

But the plot thickens. Recently he criticized Hillary, also correctly, for "retelling a racist—though popular—version of American history," with regards to the post-Civil War.

Upon reading this second article, the first instinct is obviously that the Most Excellent Order of the Bernie Empire should give Coates a knighthood. But he's already under the bus! Can you go from Hillary shill to Most Excellent Hero? How does this work?

[cherokeeprogressive]

1. Non-factor.

[Punkingal]

2. This OP's sole purpose is to be divisive.

[DanTex]

3. Not at all. I'm interested in how the Bernie attack machine is going to deal with Coates.

What do you think?

[Babel_17]

19. That you are not Arthur, and we are not Hobson? lol

Arthur: Oh, stay with me, Hobson. You know I hate to be alone.
Hobson: Yes, bathing is a lonely business.
Arthur: Except for fish.
Hobson: I beg your pardon? Did you say "except for fish"?
Arthur: Yes... fish all bathe together. Although they do tend to eat one another. I often think... fish must get awfully tired of seafood. What are you thoughts, Hobson?
Hobson: Pardon me...
<rises, removes Arthur's top hat and smacks him upside the head>

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0016906/quotes

[ljm2002]

29. "Not at all." == the definition of disingenuousness. n/t

[DanTex]

30. Do you have an English-Bernista dictionary I can borrow? Seems like a strange language.

[ljm2002]

32. Awww, how cute...

...I guess you had a little trouble understanding my response. Here, let me help:

Another poster said you were being divisive with your OP (which is the simple truth, of course). You replied "Not at all". Hence my reply. For your edification, here are the relevant dictionary entries:

disingenuous, adjective

1. lacking in frankness, candor, or sincerity; falsely or hypocritically ingenuous; insincere

Related forms

disingenuously, adverb
disingenuousness, noun
nondisingenuous, adjective
nondisingenuously, adverb
nondisingenuousness, noun

[DanTex]

34. LOL. "Cute." Kinda new to the internet, are we?

[elias49]

39. What 'attack machine'?

I'd advise that Coates be ignored. Simple. Why jump in the mud?

[farleftlib]

4. Same crap as last night and that one got locked

[Bobbie Jo]

14. You just described 95% of the OP's in GDP

But THIS one is divisive?

Good Lawd.

[Babel_17]

17. And that unites us!

[m-lekktor]

5. damn, I wish you Hillary people would retire that tired "under the bus" crap.

you need new lines, your collective schtick is getting as stale as your candidate.

[Cali_Democrat]

9. What are your thoughts on the term "Camp Weathervane"? nt

[DanTex]

13. "Camp Weathervane" is a sacred phrase. Don't be silly.

[NCTraveler]

15. It's a very common term.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6095415

[Cali_Democrat]

18. LOL! Damn that Obama for throwing people under the bus!

[Lans]

6. He should just endorse Jill Stein

I strongly believe that she is the political nominee that aligns closes to his beliefs. Coates publicly endorsing Jill would be something I believe no one can hold against him.

[baldguy]

7. Asking questions that St Bernie doesn't have canned answers for is verboten.

As is pointing out his inconsistencies.

Of course he goes under the bus!

[VulgarPoet]

20. If we're gonna talk about "canned answers"

shouldn't we be looking at Secretary Weathervane first and foremost? I'm certain she's got different labeled cans for every different direction that the winds of political change could blow.

[Bjorn Against]

8. Did you know it is possible to agree with people on some issues and disagree with them on others?

Believe it or not it is even possible to disagree with someone without throwing them under the bus.

[Hekate]

42. Which is why the favorite activity in Camp GDP is singing Kumbahyah & making s'mores. nt

[NaturalHigh]

10. Who the hell is Ta-Nahesi Coates?

[PatrickforO]

11. "The Bernie attach machine?"

So...if someone posts something here with which I disagree and then I post my argument, does this make me part of the 'attack machine?' Just wondering.

As to Coates, I didn't particularly like what he said because it made me feel very uncomfortable as a white male. I went through all the arguments in my mind and then realized the guy is right. Sad thing is you're never gonna get that through. But he's right. I don't think I posted anything on that thread because I wasn't sure what to say and all my arguments would have been lame.

Now he's criticizing Clinton. Well, he's probably right there, too, even though THAT makes me feel uncomfortable as well.

[Babel_17]

12. Ta-Nahesi Coates knows how to generate clicks to to his page

He's probably smiling at how predictably easy it is.

I have to assume he has interesting things he could say, but there's the matter of credibility.

So, I passed then, I'll pass now.

[2pooped2pop]

16. Anyone willing to vote for more of the same, or advocate it

Can crawl their asses under the bus as far as I' m concerned. After all, they put the non rich there first.

[VulgarPoet]

21. Preach.

eom

[deutsey]

27. +1

[uponit7771]

40. Sanders is going to be more of the same on issues, he's admitted it, he going under the bus too?

[2pooped2pop]

46. As long as he is working for change no

He has already brought change by running. I know I won't agree with him on everything. His positions has decades of proof who he works for. If he goes corporate,, which he won't, I would throw him under there too.

[BumRushDaShow]

43. So do you have one of these available?

"Bernie Sanders says he would use drones to fight terror as president"

It might make it easier to get up under there...

[2pooped2pop]

45. I will have to order some. N/t

[enough]

22. Is he running for something? (nt)

[BumRushDaShow]

23. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

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Ta-Nahesi Coates -- under the bus or not?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511075218

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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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Same reason for alerting as the last "under the bus" thread.

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[DanTex]

26. I'm a survivor!

[NurseJackie]

28. Hooray!

[BumRushDaShow]

31. LOL

I though you would have used this -

[DanTex]

33. Man, I should have. The other one came to mind first, for some reason.

[Hekate]

44. Oh good. I love public transportation discussions, but one question for #4

"i think that Hillary might have just crapped her drawers..." survived 0-7.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280102581

Have we got some standards for discourse here or what? Just makes my heart go pitty-pat.

[bullwinkle428]

24. Monday night CANNOT come soon enough for me.

[Warren Stupidity]

25. Nope and No Change. Hell of a campaign theme.

[Autumn]

36. Ta-Nahesi Coates. Irrelevant.

[aikoaiko]

37. I'm glad to see that TNC responded to Sanders' supporters and broadened his criticism to include HRC

Although it wasn't done as well.

I understand that he has very little interest in Bernie Sanders (as a white liberal) and less interest in lesser candidates ()HRC and Republicans) because they are all failing black people, but still the piece on Bernie went viral while his Clinton piece is not really getting much attention due to the way he framed the criticisms.

I find it difficult to understand why he doesn't even think it is in HRC's possibility to endorse reparations and yet says nothing about the vast support of African Americans for HRC.

I think such an analysis might even be too radical even for TNC.

[Gothmog]

38. He should not be thrown under the bus

[frylock]

41. Flamebait heah! Get your flamebait!

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[DanTex]

48. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511075218#post26

[Kalidurga]

49. Nope, he is right.

If it was my call I would bring him into the Sanders campaign.