2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy Trayvon Martin’s family attorney is endorsing Bernie Sanders
Another prominent African-American woman is feeling the Bern.
Natalie Jackson, the civil rights attorney who represented the family of Trayvon Martin alongside Benjamin Crump during the George Zimmerman trial, is endorsing presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt).
She joins former Ohio state senator Nina Turner in a small but growing number of black women who are throwing their support behind the senator in hopes they can begin shifting African-American support away from former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton. (Trayvon Martins mother, Sybrina Fulton, endorsed Clinton earlier this month.) Black women outvoted every other racial and gender demographic in 2008 and 2012, making them one of the most important voting groups in the 2016 election; they overwhelmingly supported President Barack Obama in both elections. Jackson hopes she can help galvanize similar support for Sanders.
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In an exclusive interview with Fusion, Jackson said those polls dont discourage her. She told me Sanders is the only candidate with the political will to dismantle the structural racism that empowers cops to kill African-Americans with impunity, and to create the kinds of economic policies needed to help pull them out of poverty.
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http://fusion.net/story/259561/trayvon-martin-family-attorney-natalie-jackson-endorses-bernie-sanders/
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/11/opinions/fulton-gun-violence/
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)I must have missed the part in the OP where anything was discussed about Trayvon's mother. Her endorsement was already posted and discussed. But kudos to you for letting us go back in time a few weeks.
I must have missed the part where it is forbidden to talk about past events in this forum. In fact I just saw an article posted about a town hall held in 2007. Talk about going back a few years in time.
Anyway, it's hardly off topic to discuss Trayvon's mother in a thread about Trayvon's lawyer and endorsements. But kudos for apologizing up front.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Maybe I'm just used to DK. When someone posts a discussion or diary, the first comment typically isn't about a completely different endorsement. Usually an OP gets, you know, "discussed".
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But now it's all about playing gotcha, to the extent of using Martin's mother as a prop to diminish this endorsement.
Belated welcome to DU, Sheena!
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They've been trying to discourage us since Bernie announced but we're stronger than ever.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)"Her endorsement was already posted and discussed." So end of, right? Don't bring it up again, right? Not to mention that snide kudos remark made it quite clear who is trying to silence others around here.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But HC supporters just had to play gotcha, so don't try to blame the new poster, her take on what happened was spot on.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Soooooo freaking off topic.
Not.
It just doesn't sit well with some folks so they gotta whine about it. FFS.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They just had to try to hijack the thread.
Keep it classy.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)The more you repeat maybe someone will take it seriously I guess.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And all the subsequent ones just drive the point home.
Every time a PoC endorses Bernie Hillary's supporters dismiss, demean and deflect, just look at the Killer Mike threads.
It doesn't fit the narrative.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)Everyone is getting odd endorsements this year. Slipknot goes Bernie would take the cake. Pretty much took out the Youth vote to Bernie doing that. So's the Rapper. Someone who's more worried about US than himself has to be sincere.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I think this is a very important endorsement. Who is a better judge of how strongly the candidates will pursue the reform of our justice system that is needed to decrease the number of prisoners in our country? A distraught mother who has had one experience with the problem of getting justice for her son or a lawyer who deals with the systemic failings in our justice system over and over?
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)And for God's sake, what does this have to do with "sway?"
Pretty cynical there, Dawson.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)And Lucia McBath
senz
(11,945 posts)I would give her much more weight for that reason.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)How you figure that?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)But an endorsement from a civil rights lawyer is a pretty big deal.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)their children my end up murdered the same way.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)relatively small.
The lawyer deals with the injustice repeatedly and knows more about what needs to be changed and how it can be changed. The lawyer also knows just how tough it is going to be to get any changes.
This endorsement for Hillary is very important. It attests to the fact that Bernie Sanders is a tough fighter. Hillary will have a hard time getting the cooperation of Congress.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)But from her, it is totally honest.
As for her knowdlege, you are being very judgmental here. You have no idea what she does or does not know.
I've known lots of people with little formal education who have more wisdom and knowdlege than people with college degrees.
I never judge people based on that
As for congress, how can you even say that? compare all the congressional endorsement Hillary has, to those of Sanders.
He is the one getting very little support
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)And I'll take the endorsement of a civil right lawyer any day of the week.
senz
(11,945 posts)Treyvon Martin's mother's attorney is a black woman.
Hillary has congressional endorsements because she and her former-POTUS husband are very politically powerful.
Bernie has PLENTY of support from the people. That's why over 20,000 people turned out in the freezing cold to attend his MN rally yesterday. Hillary NEVER gets that kind of turnout. But her clout, her high-placed connections, her money and reputation for vindictiveness get her quite a few gilded endorsements.
I'm a real person who cares about all the hardworking, struggling Americans who have been screwed by Hillary's rich, rightwing friends.
That's why I support Bernie Sanders.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)will win. I'm out there on the street. I think Bernie will win.
Hillary has a lot of payola money. Bernie does not. Hillary's money also wins her endorsements.
Bernie is the one who can get along with both Republicans and Democrats. Hillary is not at all accepted by Republicans. In fact, Republicans get points just for ridiculing and rejecting her.
I stick by my opinion that Bernie will deal with a Republican Congress much better than Hillary.
And I think we have a better chance of changing the balance in Congress with Bernie as our candidate. Bernie is the candidate of the future, oddly enough. He is the one who is appealing to young people.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)pathetic.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I wonder why they're so angry over this endorsement?
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)(over looking all that Bernie has done for civil rights ...)
Good for Trayvon's family. Still sickens me they didn't get the justice I think they deserved.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)I saw this guy being interviewed yesterday by Chris Matthews of MSNBC's Hardball. This guy had no idea of anything that was in Bernie's platform. As a black woman, I was embarassed for him. Chris seemed amazed that the guy acknowledged that he didn't know any of the platitudes Bernie was running on and Matthews has not been carrrying water for Clinton. Not even close. He has been very critical of her. I was shocked that this guy was even a lawyer, with his lack of preparation and knowledge of the major issues between the candidates. He also had only weeks previously endorsed Hillary Clinton. It just goes to show that his vote is up to the highest bidder. Not surprised that he is an attorney. As far as Nina Turner goes, she needs a job. She also has a position working for John Kasich. Go Figure.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)his wife is named Vicki. What's does that have to do with anything??
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)see the show. But. my neighbor's name IS Tiffany. After while you don't think anything of it.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Sorry for the mistake
senz
(11,945 posts)You saw a "guy." The person we're talking about is a female.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)You couldn't have made it clearer that you have no idea what you're talking about. I will say though, that many du Hillary supporters are creative. With the truth.
Political_Junkie
(1,998 posts)This one's for Bernie!
cali
(114,904 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)But maybe it's just a mistake.
I'm a little embarrassed for you.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)should be listened too. And you piously blather on about Bernie supporters throwing minority endorsers of Hillary under the bus.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... claim I did
I'll wait
Also, Random Black Person endorsements don't bode well for anyone.
senz
(11,945 posts)Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)You'll notice Nina Turner got tossed under the bus, 'cause you know, her opinion doesn't count seeing as she needs a job and all.
She's like a turbo of energy. When she speaks you feel her words.
And BTW debating who's endorsement holds more weight between Trayvon's mother and attorney..... not good. They are individuals each with their own thoughts and feelings. As a mother of a child lost to the violence against black males that is accepted in this country, her endorsement is powerful. But as a civil rights attorney who fights within this same system for justice, Natalie Jackson's endorsement is just as powerful. Neither negates the other, neither is more important.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)jehop61
(1,735 posts)because?
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)entitled "Bernie Sanders needs to release his medical records" that you rec'd
senz
(11,945 posts)It is this: Bernie CARES about human beings and will change the system to reflect the value of ALL people.
Your candidate cares about money and power, period.
That's pretty important, don't you think?
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Where are their health records. Ruth Bader Ginsberg seems quite lively! Not sure about FATSO Scalia! Stupidity! FDR was paralyzed, JFK had terrible back problems and offered from another disease I can't remember.
Then, we had G. W. Bush... what was wrong with him???
senz
(11,945 posts)The "medical" attack is a sign that they can't win on the issues.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... and don't like it... not worth it and he's chosen different vices than Hillary so I'm not getting a risk reward factor in this
cali
(114,904 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Thank you so much for posting this, cali. I hope everyone reads it.
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Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)So don't try to use that. Relationships are a means to an end in Hillary's world. Hillary has "relationships" with the CEOs of big banks, with Donald Trump, with the Bushes, with Henry Kissinger.
Why don't you trumpet those "relationships?"
Bernie's location and lifestyle may not bring him into casual contact with numerous AAs, but his entire history of political action demonstrates his complete, irrefutable loyalty to equality and fairness for people of color.
Values, convictions, intentions are what count; they are FAR more motivating in politics than schmoozing.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)Really says it all!
senz
(11,945 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)I saw a couple of DUzy's here about that guy
senz
(11,945 posts)Clinton cannot win without the AA vote. It's her most reliable demographic. And her DU supporters know this quite well.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Their narrative is what used to be called a tall tale.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'm not kidding when I say that his will make about the 20th "celebrity" that I have followed on Twitter long before this election that has since endorsed Bernie.
And, in this case, both she and Crump follow me, which makes me feel kind of special.
Well, it makes it easy when I want to thank them for their support: it auto-populates!
Uncle Joe
(58,413 posts)Thanks for the thread, cali.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)are UPSET that a civil rights lawyer for AA's endorsed Bernie is very telling.
this is a good thing no matter how you see it.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Let's face it: Bernie fought for AAs from an early age, put his body on the line and always governed/voted to protect them from racist abuse, while Hillary NEVER showed an interest in what racism does to people. Just not something she has ever cared about.
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cali
(114,904 posts)Much as you may dislike that.
Madame "then I'll only talk to white people" is hardly the advocate she pretends to be.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter_us_55d2ad41e4b055a6dab1453f
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)and dismissing her as "just a random black person"
She a lawyer who help defend a family in a high profile case !
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... aint happening right now and it's not because people don't know who he is
frylock
(34,825 posts)Fascinating.
Oh well.
frylock
(34,825 posts)As long as you keep posting. Everything's so damn heavy around here, we really need the wit.
frylock
(34,825 posts)we'll see how long I get to post this time.
senz
(11,945 posts)Well, I've turned into the unofficial nag on this subject, possibly irritating some fellow bernistas, but I really wish good commenters would double-check their language before posting -- although some alterters and jurors will go after harmless comments from supporters of competing candidates. But here goes:
I like you. That fact that you're funny is a huge bonus. So please be careful. We need you.
(Insert begging smilie.)
frylock
(34,825 posts)It's gonna be hard, especially after clearing my ignore list!
regular glutton for punishment, I see.
Do be careful.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)lol
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)person". What a horrible way to demean someone. Disgusting.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)"random black people" if they disagree with you? I find your attitude rather paternalistic. Natalie Jackson is a person in her own right, not some "random black person". Ish.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)Yupy
(154 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....she's a little closer to that incident than an unrelated lawyer.
But all of that aside, why are you trying to politicize a tragic failure of the justice system?
cali
(114,904 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Her clientele are fellow AAs, she has seen a lot, and she knows what's happening in the world. So she made her choice.
And that's the way it is.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You're actually trying to diminish this woman and the importance of her endorsement to score points on an internet forum?
And you're using the dead child's mother to do it?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)This minority endorsement doesn't count because she didn't endorse the right person.
Thanks for clearing that up.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Why is her endorsement less important?
Why did you feel the need to bring up the dead child's mother in this thread?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You don't try to rank endorsements.
Minorities are not footballs, justin and this isn't a game.
Shameful.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Keep going if you feel the need to get the last word again.
But you showed me all I need to know about you.
Good bye!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You're the one who showed his true colours, you couldn't be gracious enough to at least stay away.
Keep it classy.
senz
(11,945 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)YOU have the problem, not me.
Cheers!
senz
(11,945 posts)You attempted one-upsmanship. You didn't even bother to discuss the OP, just tried to score a point. That's gamy.
Don't try to wiggle out of it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Both Natalie Jackson and Sybrina Fulton are important endorsements.
There's no reason to try to hijack a positive thread about either one.
senz
(11,945 posts)Some people don't want any good news about Bernie at all. And don't seem to care what they have to do to deflect it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)That's why they don't want AAs to know much about Bernie. She can't win without them; her campaign thinks of AAs as its "southern firewall."
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Dismissing and demeaning every PoC who endorses Bernie looks like something else to me.
senz
(11,945 posts)Human nature certainly has some depressing aspects.
As well as hypocritical.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)NJ: Bernie Sanders has survived being a politician in Washington for over 25 years. He is not a wide-eyed newcomer. While I think its true that he appeals to white hippies, I also think he should appeal to black folks and the fast evaporating middle class, too. Im a former naval intelligence officer from a military family who are proud Americans. The humanity that Bernie Sanders represents is true to the American Dream.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)But they can't take away her bona fides so they deflect with other endorsements for their candidate.
Epic fail.