In 2008 Paul Krugman called Obama supporters venom spewing cult-like hero worshipers

[Cheese Sandwich]

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original: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/opinion/11krugman.html

thanks: https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/692159241331826689


Edit: This relates to the primaries because Krugman is supporting Hillary so it shows how he operates in politics.

[Ed Suspicious]

1. Hillary supporters are very tuned into the actions of her opponent's supporters. I'm noticing a

pattern here.

[Agony]

2. attacking your opponents strength is a tactic…. or something.

I'm trying to remember who it was that popularized that strategy…?

[Fumesucker]

3. Sun Tzu?

[Matariki]

28. And the other tactic - don't know what to call it

where you try to pin your own short comings on your opponent. For instance trying to smear Sanders as someone who says one thing and does another

The essential points of the interview by Andrea Mitchell with Fallon are:

1. Sanders has not fared well in the spotlight; if you look at the tone he has been taking; quite disturbing, seen a pattern of Senator Sanders saying one thing and doing another; that he would shun the support of a SuperPac, now has one; said he wouldn’t attack Clinton, but now he has said that she was like Dick Cheney and third thing this debate next week, Sen Sanders said he would wanted to debate more, now he is not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511079490

[Proserpina]

34. Psychological Projection--Sigmund Freud and others

[Matariki]

35. But not unconscious. And done as a purposeful political tactic

probably another name for it.

[Proserpina]

38. Ah! Scapegoating

Old as Bible stories

[Cheese Sandwich]

9. Yeah it's weird. They attack the random average people who get involved with politics

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I forgot how they tried that with Obama. Didn't work then and hopefully won't work now.

[Doctor_J]

4. And prof Krugman has joined the cult over the intervening years

And now he's back in the Clinton cult.

[Cheese Sandwich]

6. What's a word for someone who always sucks up to powerful people in hope of some awesome reward?

[CharlotteVale]

10. Sycophant.

[cherokeeprogressive]

12. Suckophant.

[Cheese Sandwich]

14. I was thinking ass-kisser but that works too

[Manifestor_of_Light]

43. My dad came up with this word:

Suckbutt. He was a union man and hated ass-kissers.

He said, "I figured I was doing the right thing anytime anybody called me a Communist."

[CharlotteVale]

5. Oops.

[beam me up scottie]

7. Ouch.

What a professional... something.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. ......psst.....

[beam me up scottie]

27. LOL!

That he is.

[m-lekktor]

8. Interesting!nt

[Oilwellian]

11. Looks like he needs a new schtick

Did he back Hillary in 2008?

[senz]

18. He was certainly defending Hillary in the piece linked.

Criticizing Obama supporters and defending Hillary.

[Truprogressive85]

13. Krugman calls Obama-bots a cult now Krugman called BernieBros bunch of loons

tell me again why I have to respect this man ?

Krugman needs to get down from his Ivory tower he is starting to sound like his colleague David Brooks

[AtomicKitten]

31. #OBAMABROSOMEAN

#SANDERSBROSOMEAN

Hmmm. I sense a pattern here.

[tex-wyo-dem]

33. I've been a pretty big fan of Krugman over the years...

Agreeing with him probably 80-85% of the time, but now that I see how he operates during open election season, I'm not so sure.

Seems he has a big cabinet post promised to him if Hill ever makes it to the WH.

I'll echo others...I'll take Stiglitz or Reich any day over Krugman.

[frylock]

15. Yeah, fuck this guy..

Straight up limousine liberal. I'll take Reich or Stiglitz any day over this honk.

[Cheese Sandwich]

20. Yeah. He's entitled to an opinion but there's such a thing as intellectual honesty

And I think he's really a political ass-kisser. A court flatterer.

[reformist2]

16. "Why can't the rabble just be SENSIBLE for once and vote for our preordained candidate?"

That's what he's got to be thinking.

It must confound the elite that with all their money and power and spin, they just can't seem to sway the people to submit to their rule.

[Skwmom]

17. A cult member? I'd suggest Krugman look in the mirror. n/t

[tex-wyo-dem]

37. +1!

[Warren DeMontague]

19. What is with the friggin non-stop temper tantrum, if Hillary isn't the nominee?

I really don't understand it. It might be her, it might not. The sky will not fall if she doesn't cap her resume with this particular gig.

[Fumesucker]

29. It's not Hillary, they would be fine with O'Malley or any Republican or even Trump

Bernie is a bridge too far, we cannot have a left populist under any circumstances whatsoever, that would be calamity for the establishment.

[Warren DeMontague]

41. I think for some, like the power brokers, that is exactly true, Sanders alone is deeply threatening.

But for other corners of the rank and file- especially certain demographic slices.. I just think there's this weird emotional over-identification with her; she represents something specific- her getting this deal is seen as vindication, or "payback" for some slight, real or imagined, in their own lives. She is "owed" it- or they are, by proxy- because ....

Hmmmmm.

I mean, how else to explain people who; at least, if their public posturing is to be believed- claim to be the most serious left of the serious left, "why we're so serious left we left the rest of the left left behind a long time ago, seriously" who nevertheless are all gaa-gaa gooey over someone who is undeniably a middle of the road, corporate and business-friendly status quo Democrat, and whose historical advocacy of things like "muscular" foreign policy is well-documented?

This is the champeen of these self-appointed leftier-than-thou brigades?


well, probably above my psychoanalytical pay grade. But it is interesting that, like, for the people who are admittedly voting for her because she's a woman; openly, so-- it really seems like whatever deeply buried itch Hillary scratches, a different woman (Say, Elizabeth Warren, who I think would have made a stellar candidate) apparently wouldn't cut the mustard either.

Nope. It's gotta be Hillary. Odd.

It's weird, and it's about something. I don't know exactly what, but it's pretty clear to me that some folks are working through their own personal stuff, with all this.

[kenfrequed]

21. Kicked for honesty

Seriously, has the 2008 campaign just slipped down the memory hole?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

22. Here's a clue: If you are a part of Sunday Talk then you are part of the establishment.

[SoapBox]

25. Amen to that!

[SoapBox]

24. Shiny object! Shiny object!

Good luck with your old, tired tarnished object.

[fbc]

26. Krugman will come around, just like he did on Obama

[Fumesucker]

30. Obama is and was establishment, just ask Penny Pritzger, his billionare benefactor in Chicago.

[Uncle Joe]

32. Good catch, Cheese Sandwich.

Thanks for the thread.

[Cheese Sandwich]

45. ..

[pnwmom]

36. Then, as today, so much is driven by Hillary hate. Krugman was correct in noting

that the actual policy differences between Obama and Hillary didn't justify the venom directed against her; just as they don't now.

[Fumesucker]

39. Well, at least Hillary still has the support of hard working white people

[tex-wyo-dem]

40. With regards to policy, Hill and Obama...

We're/are like two peas in a pod. Any difference is like splitting hairs with a few exceptions.

Hillary vs Bernie there are considerable and obvious differences.

Unlike most all serious candidates for the last few decades, Bernie is not in bed with the rich and powerful establishment....and therein lies the serious and major departure from the status quo that the PTB has so carefully crafted.

In other words, the PTB is seriously freaking.

[pnwmom]

42. What Bernie can accomplish will be restricted by Congress,

just as it was with Obama and would be Hillary. Krugman has talked about that, too. The fact that he's slightly more "hard core liberal" than she is (according to ontheissues.org, they're both in that category) doesn't mean he'll succeed in getting more progressive policies through Congress.

[olddots]

44. times up Mr. Krugman

other ass wipes want their 15 minutes .

[Cheese Sandwich]

46. derp