2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWaPo: Hillary Clinton’s desultory campaign is sinking
Even with all the drama of the 2016 Republican contest for the presidential nomination, it is impossible not to notice the slow-motion train wreck that is the Hillary Clinton campaign.
The campaign is beset by four woes that dont seem to have any quick remedy. The only way forward for the Democratic front-runner is to hunker down, slog it out and win ugly. Since malaise is an overused word in politics, Ill categorize Clintons campaign as desultory or, lacking a plan or enthusiasm.
Clintons four problems are obvious: Her performance as a candidate, her opponents viability, a growing scandal that could lead to the indictment of the former first lady and possibly a few of her closest aides, and the rejection of her legitimacy as a feminist leader.
More:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/01/27/hillary-clintons-desultory-campaign-is-sinking/
still_one
(92,217 posts)perspective.
It is just so gratifying that some find it necessary to utilize right wing propaganda.
This is an "asshole" who according to his own words worked with some of the republican greats such as Lee Atwater.
You remember Lee Atwater, the guy who Karl Rove used as his mentor, and helped formulate the Southern Strategy.
Oh yeah, good ole Ed Rogers. Using him as a source of opinion is shameful:
"I have been involved in Republican politics since I was a kid in Hoover, Ala., in the 1970s. I have worked with and for some of the great Republican leaders of our time, including, from 1987 to 1991, White House Chief of Staff John Sununu and President H. W. Bush's campaign manager, Lee Atwater. After that, I could have opened a business called Difficult Personalities, Inc. If you were a challenging personality and needed a young, worried-looking yes-man to follow you around, I was your guy. Instead, I started a lobbying and public relations firm with my friend and another of my former White House bosses, Haley Barbour; it was just the two of us. Now we have grown to be BGR Group. Very smart people work there, and we now have overhead in Washington and London. "
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-insiders/post/about-ed-rogers/2011/10/20/gIQApAbO4L_blog.html
That some so-called Sanders' supporters think that using a right winger's opinion hit pieces against Hillary help their candidate is quite revealing.
With this kind of BS, if Sanders gets the nomination, do some Sanders' supporters really think they can win a general election without Hillary supporters?
Keep this right wing garbage flowing, and see how that works out
A Lee Atwater hack. Shameful and disgusting. Right from the pages of Karl Rove.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)I find that completely disingenious coming from someone who's candidate is actively coordinating with a superpac run by David Brock. Perhaps you should run to a mirror before finger-pointing and yelling "shame!"...And unless you can prove Sanders is coordinating with Ed Rogers it is your candidate alone leaving behind a trail of slime.
still_one
(92,217 posts)posts from a supposed Sanders' supporter justifying the trashing of the PP FB page, by using sources from extreme right wing anti-aborion links.
and that isn't the only ones where certain supporters seem to find the need to use right wing opinions or links to trash Hillary.
I guess in their infinite wisdom they feel that if Bernie wins the nomination, they don't need Clinton supporters, otherwise why would they be so arrogant to use such sources.
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Proserpina
(2,352 posts)and providing some grief therapy for the survivors.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)and posting hate articles on her written by Rethugs is an example of something Bernie wouldn't approve of.
Not that you care.
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)but it's not my job nor anyone else's to wrap the world in cotton wool for you.
There's going to be a winner and a loser. It's time to start practicing.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Proserpina
(2,352 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)regardless of what happens in the next 6 weeks.
still_one
(92,217 posts)client.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...and let Ed Rodgers and his pals Haley and Shrub post here directly?
But hell, they probably already are.
Maybe we could get them a front-page, side column to provide a daily rebuttal to our Democratic candidates.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I mean Stormfront was posted here by a Hillary supporter to slam Bernie with antisemitic memes..
merrily
(45,251 posts)still_one
(92,217 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...
still_one
(92,217 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Got 2 LAUGH!!! AND... IT IS ALL HILLARY'S FAULT! K and R!
bigtree
(85,998 posts)Ed Rogers,Vice Chairman of Barbour Griffith & Rogers and Diligence, LLC as well as a onetime deputy assistant to President George H.W. Bush?
He mentions 'one good thing Trump has done,' namely, bash Hillary for her opponent's benefit, dem and republican.
You should delete this before it gets locked.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...what a coup for the right-wing.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)not to contribute to the venom against Hillary.
But they just can't resist.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...apparently.
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)It's not venom to acknowledge reality.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)Rogers had been deputy assistant to the president and assistant to the White House chief of staff. He also was the senior deputy to the master of wedge politics, Lee Atwater.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...you're drafting off of one of the most pernicious republican hacks outside of Rove. Rodgers was also in bed with Haley Barbour.
You must be so proud.
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)are false.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...shameless, really, to cheer it on.
This effort reflects on your candidate. While you and the op are getting hurrahs from the glut of Sanders supporters here, the reality is nothing less than the promotion of the republican campaign against our Democrats - something I'm almost certain is out of bounds at DU; not to mention sleazy and shameful.
merrily
(45,251 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Ed Rogers, really?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)campaign, while you're at it? Or Cruz's?
Rogers has a vested interest in discouraging the Dems about their candidates. Don't be played.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...true colors.
Cue the solemn supporter denouncing Rodgers but claiming he speaks the truth (as if he even knows the meaning of the word).
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)to see who the writer is.
Or maybe they are and just don't care.
http://www.bgrdc.com/x-bios/bgr-rogers.html
Prior to co-founding BGR Group in 1991, Ed served in the White House as Deputy Assistant to the President and Executive Assistant to the Chief of Staff. Ed also served as Senior Deputy to Bush-Quayle Campaign Manager Lee Atwater from 1987 through the general election in 1988.
From 1985 through February of 1987, Ed worked in the Reagan White House in the Office of Political Affairs, where he served as Haley Barbours deputy as Special Assistant to the President and Deputy Director of the Office of Political Affairs. Since 2011, Ed has been an opinion writer for the Washington Post, where he writes about politics and the current state of affairs in Washington, D.C., from a Republican point of view.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...but their attacks are sooo similar, they probably couldn't tell the difference between a right-wing attack and one from the supposed left.
Neither could I.
Let's see who recced this thing...the op recced their own post. Must think this is really good stuff!
zappaman
(20,606 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)Right?
Hillary Clinton is now campaigning using her unwritten slogan
"I have wanted this for over 30 years and BG no one or nothing is going to stop me"
"I am the anointed one and no one is going to take this away from me"
Now...wouldn't that summarize Hillary and her campaign?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017324734
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)speech writer early on after her boat sank in shallow water in 2008.
She didn't. And her public appearances are banal as a consequence.
Sanders' approval rating is sky-high. Hers are in the tank. There's more than one reason for that.
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/byron-williams/black-and-white-thinking-_b_30747.html
To see the world in black and white is to live within the contours of extremism. This outlook neatly divides the world into right versus wrong, good versus evil, and yes versus no. This thinking is dependent upon such words as always and never. Especially in times of crisis, the black and white worldview is looked upon as strength and courage to the casual observer...Though appearing to be the best choice in the short term, black and white thinking can bring about long-term negative consequences.
The problem with black and white thinking is that it usually does battle in a world that is nuanced and gray.
Cognitive analysis begins in black and white terms, this is how children learn to use words and organize their thoughts. How many parents have provided their seven-year-old with a rule, only to later alter the decree ever so slightly and have the child retort with: "But you said?" In the world of Developmental Psychology this is called primitive thinking. As adults, we are prone to primitive thinking during moments of crisis and stress. Mark Sichel, author and psychotherapist, writes, "When the adult starts relying on the words "always" or "never," and seeing the world in black and white terms, they are slipping back to the way they saw the world as a child."
In the world of black and white we can become overwhelmed with the desire to find "the" answer. This is why church attendance grew across the country immediately following 9/11--folks looking for an answer, trying to understand the "why" question...For all of the obvious short- term reasons to embrace black and white thinking, there is definite a downside. Not only does black and white thinking show little appreciation for the world of gray it has even less for the concept of self-reflection. To self-reflect, especially after a decision has been made, could open one to the possibility of being wrong--which defeats the purpose of black and white thinking. Many psychologists maintain that black and white thinking actually exasperates mental health issues like depression and anxiety.
Black and white thinking is also flawed because it inherently assumes a static world. It is dependent upon everything and everyone maintaining the role that such thinking has already preordained...Failure becomes harder to confront because one tends to place an inordinate amount of energy being right. It is an unfortunate default against the complexities of the world.
Our political leadership has been at its best when those leaders have dared to enter into the world of gray. Imagine how America would be different had Washington, Lincoln, or Roosevelt maintained black and white thinking throughout their respective wars. Their greatness today is not measured simply by the end result but also by their ability to adapt in lieu of unsuspected challenges--some by their own making.
It requires far less courage to live in the black and white than it does to live in the gray. The world of gray requires that we show up and be present. It does not afford us the luxury of putting life on automatic pilot. Moreover, black and white thinking, though it may provide momentary comfort, is simply unrealistic to sustain. After all, even black and white photos come with their own varying shades of gray.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Good link, thanks.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)DSB
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)They profit by it, do they not?
Do you have a valid point there? I think not.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I literally couldn't care less whether or not you think I have a valid point.
With all due respect,
DemocratSinceBirth
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)are busy sliming Sanders supporters as if they had control of Rogers, while they ignore their candidates very real ties to David Brock...
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)I assume they are ignoring O'Malley because they feel he isn't going anywhere.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)I swear I just can't keep it straight...
Townhall & Ed Rogers.--are not only acceptable sources now, they're defended and their opinions are on point! YAY!
Dana Millbank and Joan Walsh--basically suck and their their opinions aren't worth a tinkers damn. Got it.
We don't have to agree on candidates but I thought we were all on board with keeping right wing trash out of our house.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Bernie has to win NH (looking likely) and Iowa, IMHO. The latter is statistically in favor of Hillary.
Barring something like an indictment, I think an Iowa win gives her what she needs to win the nomination. She's a truly awful campaigner but her name recognition alone will carry her.
If he doesn't make it, not attacking Clinton was his fatal error.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)How's Bern gonna do from SC through super tuesday?
That's where Hillary locks up the nomination.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Clintons four problems are obvious:
1. Her performance as a candidate, (No rallies, mostly meting with rich donors...what "little people"?)
2. her opponents viability, (He's caught up and passing her)
3. a growing scandal that could lead to the indictment of the former first lady and possibly a few of her closest aides, (this is not rhetoric...it is deadly serious, even though Bernie tried to take it off the table. The FBI does not agree. Seems politics, i.e. the Justice Department, is trying to get it put off a few weeks, or maybe they haven't finished with the wiped servers of her top staff)
4. the rejection of her legitimacy as a feminist leader. (the unfortunate behavior of her husband ... many thinking she stayed for the power ... has a lot to do with this and her disdain for the poor and underemployed...heavily populated by women...)
She has these problems for a long time...all except the surprising #2 on the list.
saynotoplutocrats
(40 posts)Obamacare is a "calamity" according to the same source, Republican partisan plutocrat Ed Rogers, who built his career kissing the ass of Haley Barbour.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/10/20/the-insiders-the-obamacare-calamity-cant-be-swept-under-the-rug/
Only a Republican troll would start a post with favorable review of an Ed Rogers article.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)the writer is right-winger Ed Rogers, is particularly ironic given that less than 24 hours later, the actual Washington Post editorial board wrote a critical piece about Bernie, and now WP is under the bus.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)So stuff your attack the messenger bullshit and deal with the issues. If you disagree with it (and I do disagree with portions of it) then give us specifics. Whining and personal attacks alone do not a valid argument make.