2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIA-PPP: Clinton 48, Sanders 40, O'Malley 7
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/01/clinton-still-leads-iowa-omalley-backers-could-help-sanders.html
PPP's new Iowa Democratic poll, conducted in partnership with Progress Iowa, continues to find Hillary Clinton holding a modest lead in the state. She's at 48% to 40% for Bernie Sanders and 7% for Martin O'Malley. There's been little movement since our last poll two and a half weeks ago- Clinton's support is up 2 points, O'Malley's is down 1, and Sanders is steady.
One thing that will likely cause things to tighten up on Monday night is that O'Malley's supporters are far more likely to move to Sanders than Clinton at the sites where he fails to meet the 15% threshold. 57% of O'Malley voters say Sanders is their second choice to only 27% who say it's Clinton. We found something similar on our last poll, when O'Malley voters said they'd pick Sanders over Clinton 43/20. So just based on the reallocation of O'Malley voters, Sanders can expect to make up a couple points of his deficit.
One finding on this poll that's encouraging for Clinton is that 88% of her voters say they're firmly committed to supporting her, compared to 74% who say the same for Sanders. When you look at the race just among voters who have completely made up their minds, Clinton's lead expands to 17 points at 56/39. Sanders is up 55/31 with folks who say they may yet change sides.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)This poll is more accurate in my opinion.
IA for the win!
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Had it said that Sanders would win, you would consider it less accurate, no doubt.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)still_one
(92,273 posts)pandr32
(11,594 posts)Proud to stand with her
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)OK.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Its totally accurate. Totally.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Rude from the get-go. Typical.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)They ALWAYS rig polls. They are designed to get the answer whoever funds them wants. I can word a question in a way that will get you to vote for either candidate.
riversedge
(70,253 posts)gyroscope
(1,443 posts)What is this the 1980s? This poll is a joke.
DaGimpster
(130 posts)And asked me specifically if I was on a landline or cellphone (I was on cell).
Does this mean they threw away my vote?
bunnies
(15,859 posts)I wonder why they would use cell phones for some polls and not others. Doesnt make sense.
DaGimpster
(130 posts)They asked me specifically if I was on a cell phone as one of the last questions along with demographics. The number I have has always been a cell phone, and I've had it since Oct. 2001.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Ive been repeatedly shocked by the methodologies of the polls (most of them) using landlines only. Im glad to hear theyre finally coming around though. Maybe someday they'll call me.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Stop that conspiracy mess, it's nutty.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Looks like an 80% of those polled used landlines.
jillan
(39,451 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)One finding on this poll that's encouraging for Clinton is that 88% of her voters say
they're firmly committed to supporting her, compared to 74% who say the same for
Sanders.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:51 PM - Edit history (1)
The last three weeks of insurgency have solidified a lot of Hillary's support. Multiple polls are now coming in that say she is leading in the "strong support" column by significant margins.
riversedge
(70,253 posts)PublicPolicyPolling @ppppolls 3h3 hours ago
88% of Clinton voters in IA say they're firmly committed to her, compared to 74% of Sanders' to him: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/01/clinton-still-leads-iowa-omalley-backers-could-help-sanders.html
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)In my opinion, and for all practical purposes, this thing will be over on Super Tuesday. Although on that day, it will still be mathematically "possible" for Bernie to win enough delegates to get the nomination (but distance between what's "possible" and what's "likely" is as wide as the Grand Canyon.)
It will be toward the middle-to-end of March before the maths become an insurmountable obstacle for Bernie. I'm very much looking forward to that day.
Note to Jury: This post expresses my opinions and expectations of how the the primary process will unfold. My observation regarding the disappointment that some may be feeling is a logical one that's not intended to insult or smear or attack any candidate, any candidate's campaign, or any candidate's supporters. The confidence I've expressed regarding my candidate's chances and likelihood of my candidate's winning the nomination are based on my opinions and personal optimism only. My personal optimism and enthusiasm is not "flame bait".
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Consider:
None of those people are included in this poll. Its therefore, pretty much, a joke.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/08/two-of-every-five-u-s-households-have-only-wireless-phones/
blackspade
(10,056 posts)I'm actually rather encouraged given the sampling strategy.
It will be interesting for sure!
Jarqui
(10,128 posts)but not as badly as most polls.
The landlines ... that was a good pickup ... that would favor Hillary
So it's close.
I think there's a rule that if the candidate doesn't get 15% of the first vote, then their candidate is out. It actually happened to Hillary at an Iowa college in '08.
So the point someone above made about O'Malley's supporters strongly favoring Sanders is a very good one. It probably gives Bernie a margin of safety in a number of these votes.
(if someone from Iowa wants to weigh in and correct me if I'm wrong ...)
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... for people to realize that either he's full of shit or doesn't understand congress.
At that point congress will be the focus of dems after a dem president is elected...
In that case he'll serve more good than bad...
His constant minimizing of this historically gerrymandered congress isn't good for anything
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)You mean like the whole thing about a single payer healthcare system, free community colleges.. that sort of thing? Not sure what part of the woods you're from, or whether or not you're a poor bastard like me, but we poor bastards could sure use some of that pixie dust politics. It's been a long damn time since any Presidential candidate has even been comfortable admitting that the poor even existed, let alone that something could be done to help us.
Take Maine for instance, where we suffer under the reign of Governor LePrick. (LePage, for those who don't know) where our infrastructure is a disaster, our economy is a joke that's no longer funny - and the poor are, frankly, screwed. Also, that little thing where he refused to pass medicaid expansion, let a whole lot of people fall through the cracks in the ACA.
This congress well deserves to be minimized, half of them ought to be charged with treason, others recalled for absolute ineptitude and general idiocy. Frankly, I'll take a whole damn ocean of Bernie's pixie dust over business as usual. Poor bastards like me want to finish college some day, maybe get health insurance, maybe have the same for our children some day.
So, lots of poor bastards like me are going to vote for Sanders. I think that, to most other politicians (not excluding Clinton, or even Obama) the poor are an inconvenient truth, to be swept under the rug and comfortably ignored whenever possible. Frankly, as a poor bastard, I'm entirely comfortable having someone like Sanders speak for me, and very eager to see what he can do in office.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Go Hillary!
Robbins
(5,066 posts)since they work for correct the record superpac.Funny how they are only poll which doesn't see bernie gaining
PPP mostly uses landlines which is great flaw in 2016.
biggest news Is 57% of O'Malley voters second choice is Bernie.That should worry clinton supporters.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)bl968
(360 posts)PPP has already shown they are perfectly willing in my personal opinion to fudge their polls for the highest bidder....
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/15/1450214/-Did-PPP-poll-landline-phone-users-only-in-controversial-poll-for-pro-Hillary-PAC
Their polls have also shown a consistently higher support for Clinton than just about any other poll by other pollsters.
If Hillary had the support Hillary supporters and these laughable polls claim you would see it at turnout at her campaign events.
Lets look at the most recent Bernie Sanders and Bill Clinton events held on the same night in the same town. Bernie Sanders 1000+ attendees, Bill Clinton 325.
Clinton's highest turnout I can recall was 5,000 at her launch event. Bernie Sanders has drawn hundreds of thousands at his events. Hillary will be lucky if her total turnout at her campaign events during this election is more than 25-50k. Bernie Sanders has drawn that many at several of his events.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)McGovern typically outdrew Nixon in 1972--Mondale got huge crowds in 1984.
SunSeeker
(51,576 posts)They seem to tap the same people as s Sanders.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)I've yet to see him pull more than 5% in any state race.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... probably learned a lot, and he's definitely built up some name-recognition as he's been introduced to the nation. Even if he's not picked for the VP slot, he'll surely be a contender for the 2024 presidential election after Hillary's eight years!
If O'Malley is sworn-in as president in 2025, we'll be looking at 20 consecutive years of Democrats in the White House... and possibly 24 consecutive years!!
Orrex
(63,216 posts)Everyone with a brain in their head knows that accurate polls only favor Sanders.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)riversedge
(70,253 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)The last poll was 44% men and did not ask about party identification.
Both polls were 80% landline and 20% internet opt-in polls.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)But if being +2 now is better than being +30 earlier then you can have my share.
SunSeeker
(51,576 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I know people on the ground there, and they are enthused and knowledgeable and polite lol
hueymahl
(2,498 posts)Personally, I am waiting for the Iowa Poll (Des Moines Register/Ann Seltzer) which drops Saturday. That poll historically has been the most accurate.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Clinton has a 37% unfavorable rating among Independents to Sanders' 11%.
markbark
(1,560 posts)is happening Monday morning
Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)If Bernie was up by 8 points he would be SURGING!!!