The Salacious Ammo Even Donald Trump Won't Use in a Fight Against Hillary

[RiverLover]

The Salacious Ammo Even Donald Trump Won't Use in a Fight Against Hillary Clinton
By Ken Silverstein
January 29, 2016 | 2:55 pm

...snip...."That's what makes Donald Trump more dangerous than any person out there," MSNBC host Joe Scarborough said on his show a week after Trump's tweet. "He will bring up stuff that nobody else will bring up."

And Scarborough had a specific figure from Bill Clinton's past in mind.

"People in the know always talk about Jeffrey Epstein."

Palm Beach billionaire Jeffrey Epstein is a financier and political donor. He is also a convicted sex offender who is the subject of ongoing litigation from at least a dozen of his then-underage victims.

Flight logs show Bill Clinton traveled at least 10 times on Epstein's private jet, dubbed the "Lolita Express" by tabloids, and he is widely reported to have visited Little St. James, Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands. That's where, according to attorneys for Epstein's victims, many of the worst crimes against minors were committed by Epstein and friends who traveled there with him.

In a 2011 interview with her attorneys, Virginia Roberts, one of the teenagers preyed upon by Epstein, said he had told her he had "compromising" information on Bill Clinton and that the former president "owes me a favor."

Yet despite Bill Clinton's ties to Epstein and Trump's stated willingness to make Clinton's sexual past an issue in the campaign, Trump will almost certainly avoid bringing up Epstein's name. Because in addition to haunting Bill Clinton's past, Epstein also haunts Trump's.....

https://news.vice.com/article/the-salacious-ammo-even-donald-trump-wont-use-in-a-fight-against-hillary-clinton-bill-clinton

(Silverstein worked for the Los Angeles Times as an investigative reporter, for The Associated Press in Brazil, and has written for Mother Jones, Washington Monthly, The Nation, Slate, and Salon.[2] )



I'm not sure, but I'd be willing to bet a very large sum that Bernie was never on that plane or that island (or at the club with Donald) with the pedophile.

GO Bernie!!!!

[Vinca]

1. Wow - that's a story that could get very stinky.

[RiverLover]

5. Its been known about Bill for some time now.

But the Clintons are pretty powerful & most news org's just don't want to go there in case there's some retribution, I'd guess.

[roguevalley]

57. what a disgusting slag heap this man is. I loathe how rich people skate their crimes

it must be incredible to be so rich and bored that this seems like a good idea

judgment is lacking in this family on a grand scale

[SCantiGOP]

88. So Trump won't use it

But a Democrat will post it here.

What does that tell you?

[cali]

2. Both parties have an Epstein problem

If it's trump and Clinton that might canx it out. If it's Hillary versus some other repub, it could be an issue.

[RiverLover]

4. Lets just hope by some miracle neither are the noms.

Its all pretty disgusting.

[jwirr]

89. Yes, someone in the R party will certainly use it sometime in

the general. And it will work if it is used.

[ViseGrip]

3. Here is one of Epstein's favors, but really for Prince Andrew. Epstein was arrested for flying young

girls to his mansion there. One girl on the 'island' was kept against her will, and escaped when she was 18.

Here are the info links.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/07/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-florida



On Omaha...
http://franklinscandal.com/
HW Bush was involved. Now, why have all those children who our government allowed to come in as refugees from Central America are not protected? Many are missing and have been trafficked. Folks, it's ugly but the U.S. has been in the biz of human trafficking.

Under Bill Clinton in Bosnia...our defense contractor DynCorp were caught trafficking women and children.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-isenberg/its-dj-vu-for-dyncorp-all_b_792394.html

Again in Afghanistan AGAIN! DynCorp...The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/02/foreign-contractors-hired-dancing-boys

AND NOW OBAMA GIVES THEM ANOTHER CONTRACT. WHY?????

Even after years of scandal, U.S. Hires DynCorp AGAIN!
http://www.jimrigby.org/even-after-years-of-scandal-us-hires-dyncorp-again/

I dare all of you to read these links. You'll see what's really going on.

And no, you'll never ever find evidence of Bernie Sanders participating in these nefarious activities. Simply because, he is NOT OWNED. The rest? They have to go and be photographed. That is the similar thread in all of these cases. It's been going on for decades. Sad, but it is who we are, as they do this in our name.

[RiverLover]

7. Damn.

Thanks for the links.

We are a corrupt nation. I hope we can change that.

[sabrina 1]

81. I remember when the Left used to talk about issues such as Dyncorp and their

nasty history.

But starting in 2009 the Left developed amnesia about a lot of things.

Now things are changing and PEOPLE are getting way more involved and not all that worried about partisan politics. They are far more worried about their own lives and the future having had a chance to see how both parties are involved, that's it's not what they were led to believe, the good v the bad.

Thanks for the links, brings back some pretty awful stuff I learned about right here on DU a long time ago, re Dyncorp.

[OKNancy]

6. You really are getting low here.

In the first place this article is bullshit.
Secondly it's nothing new. This was all over the news and here too a year ago.
All the right wing news had this story and it went nowhere.
It was debunked.
Surely you remember Allen Dershowitz? Prince Andrew?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11526131/Prince-Andrew-accuser-Virginia-Roberts-now-sued-for-defamation-by-top-American-lawyer.html

Some people are really desperate

[RiverLover]

9. The fact is Epstein is in jail now for being a pedophile & Bill hung out with him.

Facts.

We should all be ashamed, not trying to pretend it isn't what it is.

[OKNancy]

10. He rode on his plane. That was Bill anyway. It has nothing to do with Hillary

It isn't going to help Sanders either, it that is what you are hoping.
He will never be president. ever.

[cali]

12. I agree Hillary will be the nominee. She will never ever be President.

She's a ticking time bomb nominee.

[OKNancy]

14. We shall see, won't we? n/t

[cali]

15. She is a terrible candidate.

[George II]

76. Well, inasmuch as Sanders is way behind her in dozens of states, what does that say for him....

....as a candidate?

[RiverLover]

70. LOL!!

Thanks for the comic relief, there.

[cali]

11. He's not in jail. He's living his extravagant life

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3405407/The-busy-life-Jeffrey-Epstein-Group-gorgeous-Manhattan-girls-billionaire-pedophile-s-mansion-flies-private-jet-attractive-brunette.html

[RiverLover]

13. He's out already. Of course.

Thanks cali.

Why would a former Wall Street exec serve more than 18 months??

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. He is not in jail now and you are tarring a man for an association he is unaware of.

Dear sir or madame:


When I was kid I had a friend . I knew he was prone to violence, to criminal behavior, and was likely a sociopath. Hell, he wanted me to rob a freaking bank with him when we skipped school together. Of course, that all seems much clearer in retrospect. Sometimes I google the names of old friends and acquaintances to find out what they are up to. I googled him several years ago and learned he has been convicted more than once for possession of child pornography. He's on the Florida Department Of Law Enforcement Sex Offender Registry.


Does that make me complicit and if it doesn't make me complicit how can Bill Clinton's association make him complicit?


Thank you in advance.


Respectfully,

DemocratSinceBirth

P.S. It is ironic or maybe not that the poster suggested the information is too low for even a guttersnipe like Donald Trump to use but not too low to use at Democratic Underground.

[cali]

17. Not true. Bill had a close association with Epstein. And his reputation

for womanizing is of his own making.

[RiverLover]

18. Naive?

PS. It isn't too low for Donald, its AS LOW as Donald. Read the article.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. I assure you my life experiences make me less naive and more worldly than most.

I assure you my life experiences make me less naive and more worldly than most. I have learned almost as much from experience as from books.


Trump is gonna do what Trump is gonna do.

A person can't control what another person will do. He or she can only respond to it and a wise person can predict what other people will do and have an effective response ready.



Respectfully, I see this conversation is going to go around in circles

"Donald Trump is going to say Bill hanged around with a pedophile and it is going to reflect poorly on her."

-You

"Folks who aren't inclined to hate Hillary aren't going to hate Hillary because of specious allegations from Donald Trump."

-Me

If Trump wants a war I want to be on the team that knows how to fight back.

[delrem]

46. He vacationed 10 times via Epstein's private jet.

What do they call men like Epstein?

Bill always has been sleazy, DSB. That's just a fact. I remember trying to defend him back in the day, saying stuff like the R's were paying women to come forward, etc. -- I was so enjoying the fact that he wasn't Ronald Reagan or George H. W. Bush. None of the women of my acquaintance were having any of it. They were all horrified -- this guy and his unzipped pants.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. Bill Clinton was a playa. I will stipulate that.

But a playa does not = pedophile.

I do not believe Bill Clinton diddled kids nor do I believe he would countenance it, period.


The fact I am even having this discussion on a liberal board is mind boggling. Maybe it shouldn't be.

[Punkingal]

55. It's Bill's fault we question his character in this way.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. Please see Post 62.

Thank you in advance.

[BainsBane]

83. Really, did you see the go fund me threads

on this site for someone with a conviction for sex-related crimes involving minors? It raised a considerable amount of money. If guilt by association applies to Hillary Clinton--through her husband's associations--it also applies to a number of members of this site. Instead, the person who led those fundraising efforts is held in very high regard. And no, he's not a Clinton supporter.

[ViseGrip]

52. I remember them all! Don't want anyone of them NEAR our White House!

[awake]

8. Sh*t how many more time bombs are in Hillary's baggage?

We can not risk the White House on another Clinton blowup, be it Top Secret emails on a home server or Bills past actions. I bet the Party bosses are busy working on Plan B right now.

[BainsBane]

20. Once upon a time I might have been shocked that "liberals" or "progressives'

would blame a woman for potential illicit activity by her husband, particularly when those same "progressives" have repeatedly excused any and all activity by male politicians, but I have since learned that misogyny is not incidental to opposition to Clinton: It is in fact the heart of it, and the reactions to this story illustrate that perfectly.

The same people insist Julian Assange should not be made to face legal charges for rape or that Woody Allen's alleged abuse of his 6 year old daughter is irrelevant. We are told it is unfair to refer to Bill Cosby as a rapist, despite legal accusations by dozens of women. While Clinton was president, I would bet any amount of money that the same people now jumping for joy that his possibly illicit behavior will harm his wife defended his right to sexual escapades in the Oval Office. I know this because any man's sexual behavior--legal or not--is always defended. Yet the potential of using it against someone who had NO PART in any of it is so delightful the OP jumps for joy. You are thrilled that Bernie wasn't on that plane. Hillary wasn't either, yet that of course is irrelevant to your glee. Whatever might or might not have transpired is not Bill's fault. It's Hillary's. God knows what possible mental process puts that in someone's mind, other than than a profound misogyny and determination to keep political power the exclusive province of men.

Thanks again for demonstrating that the ultimate goal of this campaign is to ensure no semblance of gender equality rear its head. Unfettered white male privilege must be restored at all cost, by any means necessary.
Toward that end, self-proclaimed "progressives" reap the benefits of millions of dollars of campaign ads funded by Karl Rove, targeting Hillary so that the GOP gets Bernie as its chosen opponent. Some link to and celebrate pro-life groups in a joint effort to defund Planned Parenthood, while working assiduously to ensure black activists are made to realize that their concerns about racist murders pale in comparison to the far more important goal of promoting Bernie's political prospects--all in order to "take America back," to take the Democratic Party back from the women and people of color who currently comprise its support base.

By all means, celebrate bigotry. Use lots of green bouncy guys to proclaim your excitement over the misogyny that so excites you. After all, why should a man be responsible for his own behavior when the true power lies in keeping women down, away from political power, and firmly under the glass ceiling you are busily working to reinforce with ten foot steel.

Here's to hoping that you and the entire reactionary, hateful worldview you celebrate is dealt a fierce and well-deserved blow.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. I wish I could be as eloquent as you.

I wish I could be as eloquent as you. That being said, someone is going to bring up the point the seminal poster is female. My reply to that is Ben Carson and Clarence Thomas are African American; Linda Chavez, Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz are Latino, and Michelle Malkin is a Filipino. Oh, Phyllis Schlafly is a female too...

[BainsBane]

77. Precisely

[jberryhill]

26. What were your objections to the "Laura killed someone" thing?

We had lively discussions of the fatal car accident with Laura Bush at the wheel.

We had a "happy giddy dance" over Cindy McCain's prescription drug addiction.

We've had recent discussions of Melania Trump's modeling career.

And, Ann Romney's dancing horse, of course.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. I will play

We had lively discussions of the fatal car accident with Laura Bush at the wheel.

Cheap shot

We had a "happy giddy dance" over Cindy McCain's prescription drug addiction.

Cheap shot

We've had recent discussions of Melania Trump's modeling career.

Missed it.

And, Ann Romney's dancing horse, of course.

I would be a liar if I said I was above rich shaming. I suspect they rather live with their riches than without my shaming.

[BainsBane]

78. I think you'll find me

Opposing sexism toward many women, including Republicans. Feel free to do a search.

[jberryhill]

79. That wasn't the question

My question has nothing to do about sexism.

It is frequently the case - independent of gender - that the antics of the spouse of a candidate are discussed on DU.

You NEVER raised an objection to the topics I mentioned, and you don't seem to understand the question in the first place.

[BainsBane]

80. I wasn't around when people were making claims about Laura Bush

Perhaps you should check my membership date? Or am I expected to have sent messages through the ether?

Nor was I member when McCain was a candidate.

And frankly, there aren't enough hours in 12 lifetimes to challenge all the crap that is said here.

The point is NOT independent of gender. It is ALL about gender. Nor is it about unfair accusations toward spouses. It is about blaming a WOMAN for the actions of her husband, and the glee with which that is celebrated.

Now, perhaps you should do some basic homework like looking at member dates or what people actually post before making accusations?

[SidDithers]

27. Well said...nt

Sid

[ViseGrip]

54. Laura had a tragic accident, drunk or not. These are relationships by choice.

[Empowerer]

82. You are my new hero!

[ismnotwasm]

84. +1000

[72DejaVu]

21. "Even Trump won't bring it up"

But Sanders supporters will.

[RiverLover]

22. Because he's as bad as Bill.(or close enough to be a hypocrite if he shines a light on Bill & Epstei

Duh.

I'm beginning to see why Hillary is popular with a certain group of people.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Please cite

" Because he's (Donald Trump) as bad as Bill..."

Please cite all the racist, anti-semitic. xenophobic, anti-Muslim, anti-Asian,and anti physically people challenged statements Bill Clinton made?

That's why most of us liberals hate Trump, not because he is rich on paper.

Thank you in advance.

Respectfully,

DemocratSinceBirth

[RiverLover]

29. READ THE ARTICLE.

I would cite, but then it would be breaking rules to post more than I already have.

And the article is about Trump also dancing with Epstein. Not all that other stuff you posted, and what I never said.

Bill and Trump are equally sex pervs. Though there's more evidence ag Bill at this time....That's all the article points out.

I have to believe you are smart enough (maybe) to get that?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Please define a sex perv?

Bill and Trump are equally sex pervs

Please define a sex perv?

I want to see how large your umbrella is.


Thank you in advance.

Respectfully,
DemocratSinceBirth


P.S. I would stipulate that Bill and Donald are/were big time philanderers. I am not convinced either is a "sex perv".

[RiverLover]

34. Pedophile. /nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. I would stipulate a pedophile is a pervert.

But there is no evidence in the public record that Bill or Donald like to have sex with kids...I think the latter is a pretty odious fella but I would be more than reluctant to accuse him of diddling kids.

[RiverLover]

37. That's true.

But to me, having sex in the oval office with a 22 year old is pretty perverted in itself.

That's why is so easy to recognize his (at least) 10 trips with Epstein that we know of were not innocent.

I'm sorry, but the man is a tad bit perverted.

(He was my first vote, I was a huge admirer once so I'm not happy about it either. But even more so, I'm incredibly disappointed at the many ways he has harmed our country.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. I don't countenance adultery because it is usually akin to countenancing a lie.

I don't countenance adultery because it usually involves countenancing a lie. i also realize we are all human and the flesh is weak.

"Whoever is without sin among you, let him be the first to cast a stone at her."

But having adulterous affairs does not make one a pervert, regardless of the ages of the adulterers, presuming they are both above the age of majority.

[ViseGrip]

39. Epstein has a book with many private phone numbers for Bill. That info would be contained to

a very small circle. Not just a friend he flew with once or twice. Now some of the Hillary supporters really need to get real, when it comes to this issue.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/bill-clinton/bill-clinton-and-jeffrey-epstein-908671


Billionaire Sex Offender's Phone Book Contained E-Mail Addresses, 21 Phone Numbers For Bill Clinton

Now that Prince Andrew has found himself ensnared in the sleazy sex slave story of wealthy degenerate Jeffrey Epstein, Bill Clinton can’t be too far behind.

Epstein, who paid teenage girls for naked massages at his Palm Beach, Florida mansion, is a convicted sex offender whose circle of powerful friends has included financiers, celebrities, politicians, and scientists.

In fact, Epstein, 61, has maintained many of these relationships even after pleading guilty in 2008 to a felony charge stemming from a lengthy probe of his lewd interaction with scores of underage girls, many of whom were recruited while they were students at a Palm Beach high school.

Epstein is pictured above in his most recent sex offender registry photo.

But while Prince Andrew and other public figures resumed meeting with a post-prison Epstein, Clinton appears to have avoided the billionaire, who owns a private Caribbean island, a Manhattan mansion, a New Mexico ranch, and a Paris apartment in addition to his waterfront Palm Beach residence.

According to court records, Clinton “frequently flew” with Epstein aboard the investor’s private jet from 2002 to 2005, the year news of the police investigation of Epstein was first reported.

During the early stages of that probe, cops surreptitiously collected the trash from in front of Epstein’s Palm Beach home. The refuse included documents with the names of some of his many underage masseuses, as well as an Amazon.com invoice for the purchase of sex slave books like “SlaveCraft: Roadmaps for Erotic Servitude--Principles, Skills and Tools,” “Training with Miss Abernathy: A Workbook for Erotic Slaves and Their Owners,” and “SM 101: A Realistic Introduction.”

As part of a civil suit filed against Epstein by several of his victims, lawyers for the women floated the possibility of subpoenaing Clinton since he “might well be a source of relevant information” about Epstein’s activities.

While Clinton was never deposed, lawyers obtained Epstein’s computerized phone directory, which included “e-mail addresses for Clinton along with 21 phone numbers for him, including those for his assistant (Doug Band),” according to a court filing.

[George II]

48. So now you're stooping to calling Bill Clinton a "pedophile"?

[George II]

64. That was directed to riverlover, who called Bill Clinton a "sex perv" and then defined that term....

....as a "pedophile".

[SidDithers]

28. Yup...nt

Sid

[Metric System]

25. Sanders supporters have no problem slinging this unfounded mud, apparently. How low will

you revolutionaries go?

[RiverLover]

30. Head

in

the

sand.

Not progressive.

[Metric System]

31. Guilt by association shouldn't be a progressive value.

[ViseGrip]

58. Explain what part is unfounded???? I believe this young girl. She was not there for Bill but.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363452/Bill-Clinton-15-year-old-masseuse-I-met-twice-claims-Epsteins-girl.html

Teenage girl recruited by paedophile Jeffrey Epstein reveals how she twice met Bill Clinton

By Sharon Churcher and Polly Dunbar for MailOnline
Updated: 19:53 EST, 5 March 2011

Epstein, who has donated more than £75,000 over the years to candidates from the Democratic Party, also flew with Mr Clinton in November 2003 to destinations including Russia, Oslo, Hong Kong, Shanghai and Beijing.

Yet Virginia Roberts stresses that she was never ‘lent out’ to Mr Clinton.

On one occasion, she adds, Epstein did invite two young brunettes to a dinner which he gave on his Caribbean island for Mr Clinton shortly after he left office. But, as far as she knows, the ex-President did not take the bait.

‘I’d have been about 17 at the time,’ she says. ‘I flew to the Caribbean with Jeffrey and then Ghislaine Maxwell went to pick up Bill in a huge black helicopter that Jeffrey had bought her.


Prince Andrew
FBI to reopen case against sex offender friend of Prince...

Exile in New York: Ghislaine Maxwell, who fled Britain after her father's death uncovered a pensions black hole, became Jeffrey Epstein's trusted assistant
Epstein's Girl Friday 'fixer': Dead tycoon's daughter...


‘She’d always wanted to fly and Jeffrey paid for her to take lessons, and I remember she was very excited because she got her licence around the first year we met.

'I used to get frightened flying with her but Bill had the Secret Service with him and I remember him talking about what a good job she did.

‘I only ever met Bill twice but Jeffrey had told me that they were good friends.

'I asked, “How come?” and he laughed and said, “He owes me some favours.” Maybe he was just joking but it constantly surprised me that people with as much to lose as Bill and [Prince] Andrew weren’t more careful.

‘Bill must have known about Jeffrey’s girls. There were three desks in the living area of the villa on the island.

Speaking out: Virginia, now aged 26, in her new home in Australia

Speaking out: Virginia, now aged 26, in her new home in Australia

'They were covered with pictures of Jeffrey shaking hands with famous people and photos of naked girls, including one of me that Jeffrey had at all his houses, lying in a hammock.

‘We all dined together that night. Jeffrey was at the head of the table. Bill was at his left. I sat across from him. Emmy Tayler, Ghislaine’s blonde British assistant, sat at my right.

‘Ghislaine was at Bill’s left and at the left of Ghislaine there were two olive-skinned brunettes who’d flown in with us from New York.


'I’d never met them before. I’d say they were no older than 17, very innocent-looking.

‘They weren’t there for me. They weren’t there for Jeffrey or Ghislaine because I was there to have sex with Jeffrey on the trip.

‘Maybe Jeffrey thought they would entertain Bill, but I saw no evidence that he was interested in them. He and Jeffrey and Ghislaine seemed to have a very good relationship. Bill was very funny.

‘Bill must have known about Jeffrey’s girls. There were three desks in the living area of the villa on the island... covered with photos of naked girls'

'He made me laugh a few times. And he and Jeffrey and Ghislaine told blokey jokes and the brunettes listened politely and giggled.

‘After dinner I gave Jeffrey an erotic massage. I don’t remember seeing Bill again on the trip but I assume Ghislaine flew him back.’

According to prison records, when Epstein was serving his jail term, his visitors included a long-time – and highly controversial – Clinton acquaintance, Arnold Prosperi.

'In the final hours of the Clinton presidency, in January 2001, Prosperi was facing three years in prison after being convicted of tax fraud. Mr Clinton commuted his sentence to house arrest.

‘Clinton, Prosperi and Epstein make an odd threesome on the face of it,’ says a law enforcement source.

[ismnotwasm]

72. ...

Another acquaintance was Israel defence secretary Ehud Barak, whose spokesman told The Mail on Sunday: ‘Mr Barak did attend several small functions in Mr Epstein’s home in New York that were usually attended by leading businessman, university presidents, Nobel Prize Laureates and prominent public figures.

Epstein’s many Hollywood pals include Matt Groening, creator of The Simpsons.
Please Jeffrey once had me give Matt a foot massage when he was flying on the jet with us,’ Virginia says
‘He laughed and did drawings of Bart and Homer for my little brother and my dad.

I also met Naomi Campbell at a birthday party of hers on a yacht in the South of France. She is a friend of Ghislaine’s but she was a real bitch to me.
'She was very fake. She turned away from me when we were introduced by Ghislaine and Jeffrey.

‘Donald Trump was also a good friend of Jeffrey’s. He didn’t partake in sex with any of us but he flirted with me. He’d laugh and tell Jeffrey, “You’ve got the life.’’ ’

[Motown_Johnny]

32. Some (R) will use it. If only some nameless SuperPAC.

Maybe Donald will not "Approve This Message" but if there is slime to be used some (R) will use it.

[ViseGrip]

36. To say "Hillary is running, not Bill, is dangerous. Bill back in the White House will have us

paying for his shenanigans. While he still has secret service, his activities will be paid for, by us.

[George II]

38. Who would have ever thought this campaign would get this salacious.

That stuff is rife with innuendo, assumptions, and outright lies. Sad that Sanders supporters have to drag up dirt like this and then stretch in a vain attempt to connect it to Bill and Hillary Clinton.

[RiverLover]

45. Truth.

Truth is what Sanders is about.

And Sanders supporters, true/real liberals, are about the same.

There is nothing in this article that is not the truth.

[JTFrog]

60. No.

Sanders is a much better man than his supporters who apparently have no shame or interest in advancing the Democratic party.

He should go ahead and run as an Independent. Then we wouldn't have to deal with his supporters being an embarrassment to the Democratic party. Hell his aides are already trying to reach out and apologize for the disgusting shit his supporters have been engaged in.

[RiverLover]

69. Wow, that is so backwards. Its the Clintons who are the embarrassment to the Democratic Party

Bringing their republican ways into it.

Deregulation
Monopolizing of industries
Privitization
Charter schools
Corporate welfare
NAFTA
TPP
Wars for oil & Halliburton
GMOs
Fracking
Gutting welfare
Promoting H1 Visas (like they didn't send enough of our jobs out of the country, they need to steal our jobs that are still here!)


^^^ That's way worse to me than Bill's warped sexcapades and Hill's tacit approval (by sticking with the creep.)

[rhett o rick]

87. There is a brutal civil war within the Democratic Party. The Progressive Wing

is fighting against Citizens United and the culture of Big Money running our Party and running our government.

It is an uphill battle against the corruption of Big Money and it's too bad all Democrats don't side with the lower classes.

[ViseGrip]

40. And, why was Epstein's 'social fixer' pictured with Bill at Chelsea's wedding?

That shocked me. But when I saw Chelsea playing dirty against Bernie, I'm not surprised.


Just look at the links, the pictures and sources are there.
Take your pic....


https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=two+epstein+prostitutes+pictured+at+Chelsea%27s+wedding+with+Bill

[RiverLover]

42. You have the inside scoop, VG. Again!

So, thanks, again.

Wow.

[wyldwolf]

44. dailymail.co.uk, freerepublic.com, .infowars.com, redstate.com, nationalenquirer.com

If memory serves, the last time this story made it's way through DU, one of these sources implicated both Al and Tipper Gore, LOL.

[restorefreedom]

41. so both b clinton and trump have a friend who is a scumbag.

i doubt anyone would be surprised. the 1% ers don't think rules and laws apply to them.

but on issues, hillary's opponents have plenty of good material that they will use now and in a ge

tpp
minimum wage
iran
syria
iraq
wall,st

etc etc

[farleftlib]

47. Nobody should go there. (n/t)

[ViseGrip]

51. To the mansion in Palm Beach or the Island mansion?

[SheenaR]

49. With how insane this campaign is

Trump could bring this up, incriminate himself, and his numbers would go up.

But not much to see here and no need to add the Bernie line in at the end

[Paladin]

53. Trump won't use it, but the DU Bernie Purity Posse will.

Figures.

[JTFrog]

56. Trump won't. Bernie won't. But Bernie supporters have no problem crawling around in that stinkhole.

What a bunch of fucking bottom feeders.

[winter is coming]

61. This is slimy. Please delete it.

You're trying for guilt by association without any evidence whatsoever that Bill knew about Epstein's pedophilia. And yes, it's possible to not know.

[ViseGrip]

66. I disagree. Don't hide anything slimy when it can infect our race and our White House

[winter is coming]

68. This is not news.

And dragging it out into the light again while gloating about how Bernie would never be anywhere near a pedophile is distasteful and fucking stupid. We're going to need the votes of Clinton supporters in the GE and crowing over shit like this is guaranteed to turn them off.

[asjr]

67. When did DU become nothing but a gossip collumn?

This thread became very nasty. Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton. Bill can't be president again. If those of you here are Bernie supporters you should be ashamed. Sanders would never stoop to the depths people here have. Maybe Donald Trump has rubbed off on you. He and most of the Republican presidential wanna bes have embarrassed the voters in this country. The Republicans have ruined what used to be a country others wanted to live in. And they can say every day and every night they were not working to get a black man out of the presidential seat all they want but every one knows that is one of their biggest lies of this decade. I realize I will be ridiculed after I post this but at least that will leave others alone.

[MineralMan]

71. Hmm...was Hillary Clinton implicated in any of that stuff?

No? Then why would it be brought up now. That's an attack on Bill Clinton. He has already served two terms as President. He's not running for anything right now.

I'm sure right-wingers have that on their list of ugly crap to bring up if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, though. It's a shame you thought it was worth bringing up here on DU, I think.

Hillary Clinton is the candidate, not Bill. Just a reminder.

[tammywammy]

73. This OP is fucking disgusting

As are the few posters defending it.

[RiverLover]

74. What Bill did is disgusting. Womanizing, serial cheating, 'vacationing' with a pedophile.

Accusations of rape.

And we have to defend it to rethugs.

Also disgusting.

Democrats are better than this.

[cheapdate]

75. Bill Clinton = Hillary Clinton = Pedophile. Got it. n/t

[Blue_Tires]

85. And yet you couldn't resist running to post that here...

nice optics...

[frylock]

86. Weird, wild stuff.

kick