I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but I do find the timing of the release of the email information

[Empowerer]

to be oddly coincidental.

[cali]

1. Why? And who would be in on this conspiracy?

[Empowerer]

4. I didn't say it was a conspiracy

But someone is leaking this stuff.

[cali]

9. Huh? What is being "leaked"?

[Empowerer]

11. See post #8

[Nanjeanne]

2. Yeah

Like the timing of the union button wearing story, or the "horror" of Logogate.

[Empowerer]

12. That wasn't a "leak." Union officials made public statements about that matter

[Nanjeanne]

18. And the email info from the state dept

And confirmation from the White House was a leak?

Didn't know that.

[Bluenorthwest]

25. So you are accusing the State Department of leaking this? They released the emails.

That's a heck of an assertion there. What are you basing it on?

[Empowerer]

30. I really wish you all would read the other posts in this thread as I'm getting tired of repeating

myself.

I . . . am . . . not . . . referring . . . to . . . the . . . emails . . . that . . . were . . . released . . .

I . . . am . . . referring . . . to . . . the . . . leak . . . of . . . the . . . INFORMATION . . . RELATED . . . to . . . the . . . emails . . .

That information is not coming from the State Department. It is being leaked from the FBI investigation.

[libdem4life]

41. Maybe State isn't as anxious for it to come out ever...the FBI, OTOH, that's their job. Are you

claiming that the FBI is a "Bernie Plant"?

[Empowerer]

43. No, it's NOT the FBI's job to leak selective information from an investigation before it's completed

And if this were an appropriate part of their duties, they would release it officially, not have someone whisper it anonymously to a reporter.

And no, I have not said that the FBI is a "Bernie Plant" - good Lord. I said that it looks like someone involved in the investigation is trying to damage Secretary Clinton's campaign. Two completely different things.

[libdem4life]

47. HRC has already damaged her own campaign.

The Victimhood label just doesn't fit her very well. So, who is leaking...the DOJ? Got to be one or the other. There is such as thing as "controlled leaks" Who knows...neither you nor I.

Sorry...anyone or their staff who wipes servers and pleads the Fifth aren't squeaky clean. Right there is enough in most's mind.

Prove it, is usually the position of the one down, not up.

[Warren Stupidity]

3. This stuff has been coming out at the end of the work

week every couple of weeks for a while now.

But perhaps SOS Clinton ought to not have put herself into a situation like this to start with.

[farleftlib]

5. They've been saying since last spring they'd be released this month

[Empowerer]

8. I'm not talking about the release of the emails

But the details about the classification were leaked to the press just prior to the release of the emails. The emails that were released were completely mundane and would have provoked no coverage. The fact that some emails were not released because they were subsequently classified is the big story - that would not have been apparent with a simple release of emails but was leaked to the press very strategically. I don't think that was a coincidence. I also don't think it was necessarily a "conspiracy." It could be just one person with an agenda.

[farleftlib]

13. So if wrongdoing comes to light

it's because of a conspiracy or someone with an agenda against Hillary? I'm not sure what you're saying.

Better now than if she wins the nomination and this blows it for our party.

[randome]

19. Making details of an investigation public is usually frowned upon.

As irrelevant as these details seem to be, why would anyone make them public during an on-going investigation? It's a fair point to make, I think, that someone is selectively leaking.

However, I still maintain nothing will come of this. Sanders seems to agree.
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[morningfog]

24. This release of information is not connected to an investigation.

This is State saying the reason some emails were withheld is because they are classified.

This is not a product of the FBI investigation. Who knows what they have found.

[Empowerer]

32. Not true

That information was leaked prior to the release of the emails. The State Department later confirmed it, after they were asked about it.


From the AP: "The department published its latest batch of emails from her time as secretary of state Friday evening. But the Associated Press learned ahead of the release that seven email chains would be withheld in full for containing 'top secret' information. "

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLINTON_EMAILS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-29-14-48-31

[morningfog]

62. Your own link says it wasn't related to the FBI investigation

but the FOIA request. Like I said.

[Motown_Johnny]

29. The federal judge ordered all emails be released by the end of this month due to a FOIA request

They will not meet that deadline. 22 will not be released at all. They are explaining why those 22 will not ever be released, not even in redacted form.


http://www.npr.org/2016/01/29/464811045/as-iowa-caucuses-near-clinton-email-probe-persists

^snip^


"We can confirm that later today, as part of our monthly FOIA productions of former Secretary Clinton's emails, the State Department will be denying in full seven email chains, found in 22 documents representing 37 pages. The documents are being upgraded at the request of the intelligence community because they contain a category of top secret information," State Department spokesman John Kirby said. "These documents were not marked classified at the time they were sent."



The announcement of the top secret emails comes as the agency is already behind on its monthly production of emails. The State Department has already made public 43,000 pages of Hillary Clinton's emails, and 1,000 more pages are supposed to come out Friday evening. In a late-night court filing this week, authorities said about 7,000 more pages are not yet ready for release.



The FBI investigation into Clinton's email has been underway for months now. And while the Justice Department and FBI have been keeping a close hold on information, the probe appears to involve whether any government secrets were compromised and how that came to happen.

The inquiry involves not just Clinton, but some of her close aides who sent her messages. Clinton recently told reporters that she has not been interviewed by federal agents, but that is something that typically occurs near the end of an investigation.

[Empowerer]

26. It's not about "wrongdoing coming to light." This is an investigation and any "wrongdoing"

IS "coming to light" but it doesn't need to be released to the public at this stage of the investigation. This kind of information coming out in drips and drabs does a disservice to everyone involved. As we've seen, often things will be breathlessly reported and then turn out to be nothing once put into context. That is why the investigations are confidential.

The fact that leaks continue to come out, at just the opportune time, and are always seemingly damaging and never exculpatory to Secretary Clinton tells me that someone involved in the investigation has an agenda and is using their access to confidential information to try to damage her campaign. Not a conspiracy, not a major scandal (since this sort of thing happens all the time, it's not really surprising or novel), but just a fact.

[mythology]

6. So you have no proof other than you want it to be true

The conspiracy theories going around on the Sanders side are silly and this is no less so.

[onecaliberal]

7. its her own fault for doing it. Another instance of poor judgement.

[oasis]

10. The MSM has little else to keep Bernie afloat.

He's sunk with a loss in Iowa and the media has to give up on the horse race.

[farleftlib]

16. Are you for real?

The media has been hammering Bernie since he started coming close to Hillary. Before that they ignored him.

Every major newspaper and cable news outlet repeats the same tired old crap they said about Obama in '08 and worse.

[oasis]

21. The MSM is not about to stand by while millions

in ad revenue fly out the window with an early Bernie exit.

[Punkingal]

57. Bwahahahaha...

They are doing everything they can to ridicule and destroy him.

[uponit7771]

44. +1

[restorefreedom]

14. actually it is right on time

the foia order deadline was end of the month. they were supposed to release more, but they won't be doing it until after the first few states have voted. so if anyone is going to wear one of these, it might be bernie and om supporters, wondering if the delay is to help boost her through the first few states.

[Empowerer]

23. I'm not referring to the RELEASE of the emails - that's fine

I'm saying that someone leaked the information about the classification of the emails - that was not public information and would not have been apparent in the email release. It was leaked and leaked for a reason.

Again, I'm not claiming it is a conspiracy - in fact, I don't think it was. But whoever leaked it did so for a reason. I think the reason was to damage Secretary Clinton immediately prior to the Iowa caucuses.

[restorefreedom]

27. it might have been done to help her

to see if such information could hurt her going forward or will be ignored. if there are more classified emails pending, it could be a test balloon. or it could be someone in the department who is afraid that it will be whitewashed and never come out.

i think a case could be made for either interpretation. the important piece to me is whether there really is a big shoe that is going to drop. i am for bernie, but if this thing is going to get ugly or complicated, it benefits us all that it does not interfere with our nom process or give any advantage to republicans.

[Empowerer]

33. That's possible, but I doubt it

If this were designed to help her, I think it would have been done at a different time. It doesn't help her to have this as a big story in the weekend leading up to the Iowa caucuses.

[restorefreedom]

34. but that is the real test.

if she can get through this even right after such a story, then it is a sign that perhaps a bigger release before super tuesday will not matter.

i have no idea, and your guess is as good as mine. but it could be someone's (perhaps misguided) attempt to see if she can weather this right before a contest. or it could be someone against her. or a neutral agent who is afraid all of his or her hard work will go down the drain.

in any case, this drip drip is not good. it is distracting from an important primary in an important election. it benefits us all to rip this bandaid off and see if there is any festering boils there...or not.

[Empowerer]

36. You could be right

But I don't think so. haha

But I do agree that it's better to just get this over with. Hell, I wish we could just get these primaries over with. We haven't even had the first one and I'm sick of them . . .

Thanks for the cordial conversation.

[restorefreedom]

37. hard to believe this is only the first of many......

ugh.

and right back atcha!

[Funtatlaguy]

15. The FBI should stop screwing around

And either indict or absolve Hillary.
How long have they been looking into this?
Surely by now, they can make a decision.
It's not fair to Hillary, or Bernie or the Democratic Party to keep dragging this out.

[leveymg]

17. A federal Judge set the deadline for release at 1/29. There's your coincidence.

[Empowerer]

22. You've missed my point

I'm not talking about the release of the emails, which is all well and good. I'm referring to the leak of the information that some of the emails were withheld because they had been classified after they were sent. Someone leaked that information to the press immediately before the emails were released. Every leak has a purpose and everyone who leaks does so with an agenda. It is my opinion that whoever leaked that information did so in order to damage Secretary Clinton before the Iowa caucuses. You may think they had another reason for doing it. So be it. But there WAS a reason for the leak.

[Bluenorthwest]

28. They had to give reason for not releasing the emails they did not release, that reason being their

classification. That's how it works. It's not a leak, it's the law of the land.

[Empowerer]

35. No they don't have to give a reason for not releasing emails

No on knows what they don't know - i.e., there's no reason for anyone to assume that certain emails weren't there if they weren't there.

And there's no "law of the land" requiring the State Department to explain why they withheld any emails. This is a FOIA request and they only have to release what is relevant to the request. There may be other emails that haven't been released for various reasons, but they don't have to explain why they weren't released. The only reason they had to explain in this instance is because someone leaked this information prior to the release and they were asked about it.

It was a leak, plain and simple, and the AP cited it as such up front.

[karynnj]

39. the FOIA rest is simple all the emails returned by Clinton

To the State Department. This wouldn't have happened if she , unlike every other cabinet member did not use her own server for work.

[Empowerer]

45. I am very familiar with the FOIA process and know for a fact that you are wrong

Responses to FOIA requests are often limited for various reasons.

The bottom line is that information was leaked from the investigation and I believe that the timing of the leak suggests that it was done to undermine Secretary Clinton in the Iowa caucus. Anyone can differ with my opinion but they cannot argue against the fact on which I am basing it.

And whether or not Secretary Clinton should or should not have used a private server is irreveland to this thread and to my point. Perhaps you'd like to start your own thread to discuss that separate issue.

[karynnj]

49. You are conflating the SD release and the leaks concerning the FBI investigation

These are 100% separate. FOIA requests are usually limited to a given subject. This one was for all the email that HRC gave back to the server -- and it followed Clinton's own request that all the emails be made public -- which she did because she wanted to do something to counter the negative story.

YOU ARE THE ONE DECLARING OPINION FACT. Yesterday's story was not based on leaks -- it was based on the SD announcing as they put this month's emails out that there were some that could not be released at all. Everything I spoke of dealt with the SD email.

YOU are the one who is OT speaking of the leaks related to the FBI investigation that the State Department has no control over -- and shouldn't.

[MoonRiver]

40. Similar coincidences/hit jobs against the Clintons

have been going on since 1992. Why should we expect anything different now?

[leveymg]

42. You missed the fact that the 27 emails withheld were classified by other agencies - not retroactive

classification by the State Department, as you appear to have assumed. This report was no leak, it resulted from a letter sent by the Inspector General to the Senate Intelligence Committee. That's a public record.

NBC News:"Clinton's emails contained information classified Top Secret/Special Access Program"

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hillary-clinton-emails-contained-info-above-top-secret-ig-n499886
Hillary Clinton Emails Held Info Beyond Top Secret: IG

by Ken Dilanian

Emails from Hillary Clinton's home server contained information classified at levels higher than previously known, including a level meant to protect some of the most sensitive U.S. intelligence, according to a document obtained by NBC News.

In a letter to lawmakers, the intelligence community's internal watchdog says some of Clinton's emails contained information classified Top Secret/Special Access Program, a secrecy designation that includes some of the most closely held U.S. intelligence matters.

. . .

Charles McCulllough, the intelligence community's inspector general, said in a letter to the chairmen of the Senate intelligence and foreign affairs committees that he has received sworn declarations from an intelligence agency he declined to name.

The declarations cover "several dozen emails containing classified information determined by the IC element to be at the CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET and TOP SECRET/SAP information."

An intelligence official familiar with the matter told NBC News that the special access program in question was so sensitive that McCullough and some of his aides had to receive clearance to be read in on it before viewing the sworn declaration about the Clinton emails.

[Empowerer]

48. As I have said about a half dozen times but you continue to ignore

this information was leaked to the press BEFORE the emails were released.according to a document obtained by NBC News.

The very article you cite proves my point. Not only was it published on Januay 19 - 10 days before the emails were released to the public - it is based on a confidential letter from the Inspector General to the Senate Intelligence Committee that was, according to the story, first leaked to FOX News.

This information was leaked - and leaked to FOX News. Period. You may think that was an innocent act. I do not.

[delrem]

20. The damn things are being dribbed and drabbed to the public

from the Clinton private server.

She already did a first formal cleansing before releasing ANYTHING. The USA is supposed to be fine with this.

Now it's dribs and drabs, and the awful thing is that she knew what she was doing when she did it, and she knew that it would play out this way. She's not stupid!
She hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of beating any "moderate Republican" than scrambles in a win out of the heap of shit being thrown about on that side of the fence.

And now she's openly campaigning on the non-feasibility of universal single-payer health care.

Like, fucking, WOW.

She states, like from the mouth of God, that universal single-payer health care won't ever, ever come to pass.
Not under her watch, that's for damn sure. Nor on the watch of her hangers-on.

[Motown_Johnny]

31. They were supposed to all be release by the end of this month.

A Federal judge ordered that months ago due to a FOIA request.

The FBI is missing that deadline and are now explaining why 22 emails won't ever be released, not even in redacted form.

There is nothing coincidental about it.

[karynnj]

38. the timing is not supicious,

Back last spring, HRC demanded the SD put all the email she gave them out in public online. A journalist then put out a FOIA asking for it do be done before the elections and a judge gave the SD deadlines and demoed monthly releases.

Yesterday was to be the last release, but there are still about 7000 waiting review in other parts of the government. That was needed because each agency controls classified material originating there.

The woman heading the process returned to the SD having retired a few months earlier to lead this thankless job. After she was given the job, Republicans complained that she had maxed out to HRC 2016 while she was retired. One sign she is acting professionally is that you are suggesting she is against HRC, while Republicans are suggesting the SD is covering for HRC.

It is interesting that they are ignoring the second group that won't be included. They are between Obama and HRC and it sounds like executive privilege is being claimed. It also sounds like this entire mess has hurt the reputation of the administration.

[winter is coming]

46. If someone hadn't dragged their feet turning over the emails in the first place,

the releases could have been finished long ago.

[libdem4life]

50. They are trying to get the wiped servers of high level staffers...one of whom pled the 5th

I was her IT guy, if I remember correctly. It's dragged Huma Abedin into this, too. You can't complete an investigation without all of the information. But then, you knew that. And parsing words and phrases just doesn't cut it.

[Hoyt]

51. I don't find the timing suspicious. The uproar among Sanders' supporters is BS, though.

[Agnosticsherbet]

52. "Hillary Clinton email releases every 30 days" It was the court not a conspiracy...

Hillary Clinton email releases every 30 days
A federal judge issued an order Wednesday requiring the State Department to make public batches of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's emails every 30 days starting next month.

U.S. District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras also set particular targets for the agency to meet each month as it wades through the roughly 30,000 emails totaling about 55,000 pages. (The percentages set for each disclosure can be viewed in the judge's written order, posted here.)

The monthly disclosure essentially splits the difference between the State Department's most recent proposal of releases every 60 days and lawyers for Vice News reporter Jason Leopold, who proposed releases every two weeks.

The State Department initially proposed releasing the vast majority of the emails in a single batch by next January, but Contreras rejected that suggestion, citing the public interest in the materials.

[Empowerer]

53. You, too are completely missing my point

I'm not talking about the release of the emails. I'm talking about the leak of the information about the emails that weren't released.

But it's obvious that it doesn't matter what I say - certain people are going to read what they want to into it and try to argue about issues that aren't even in question.

Whatever.

[Agnosticsherbet]

58. Who are these "certain people" and where do I find them?

Clever end run around an attempt to avoid the whole the email process and make a personal attack at the same time.

A court order can not be refused without reason. When they hold on to emails and claim national security, that requires an explanation.

As with Clinton, who I support, I would have preferred to release them all last January. The Courts decided differently.

I find the accusations made by Sanders supporters about some vast, Corporate-Clintonian conspiracy laughable. I feel the same about conspiracies concerning Clinton.

[yellerpup]

54. It was released on the last day of January

because the FBI is required by court order to report it at the end of the month, and now at the end of February also.

[Empowerer]

59. But the letter to the Intelligence Comm. explaining the classification issue was leaked 10 days ago

to FOX News.

I am quite sure that if information seen as damaging to Bernie Sanders was anonymously leaked to FOX news shortly before an important primary, you would find it suspicious.

[yellerpup]

60. I didn't hear any report on it until yesterday.

I don't watch FOX, so I didn't know they were hammering it.

[HassleCat]

55. The "intelligence community"

Many of these people are retired military intelligence people, and the various agencies have the typical cop mindset, so they don't like Democrats, and they don't like Clinton. Since most of them are capable of little more than spreading rumors, that's what they do with regard to the email "scandal." If you get the idea I think they're pretty useless bunch, you're right.

[Empowerer]

56. It's interesting to see BS supporters jump in with these folks because they think it hurts Hillary

and the enemy of their enemy is their friend.

[Scootaloo]

61. Do you, now?

Tell me how you feel about the moon landing.

[99Forever]

63. So now Hillary's unforced error is the result of a conspiracy theory?

Yep. One of the Berniebros jumped into a gawddamn time machine and talked her into making a clearly unethical decision while SOS, just so she'd have it hanging over her head this weekend.