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Does Bernie Think Obama Let Progessives Down? (Original Post) firebrand80 Jan 2016 OP
Do you think Democrats.... daleanime Jan 2016 #1
Obama has a 92% approval rating from liberal dems Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #3
Just curious where that number came from Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #8
Here: Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #20
Oops. Damn you! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #27
Oh, Gallup That explains it. Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #45
Like the fact that I said.... daleanime Jan 2016 #12
His approval rating among Dems is 85% Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #21
Wow, you do stick to your narrative.... daleanime Jan 2016 #24
Yup. And people can support a politician while also thinking that politician can do much better Scootaloo Jan 2016 #13
I approve of the president but that doesn't mean I'm not disappointed. mattclearing Jan 2016 #46
No, I don't nt firebrand80 Jan 2016 #5
Bernie hasn't said a word against Obama FreakinDJ Jan 2016 #2
At least not since he's been running for President nt firebrand80 Jan 2016 #4
Yeah, he has ... on several occasions. eom 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #28
Where did that come from? Jbradshaw120 Jan 2016 #17
Bernie speaks highly of the President. Punkingal Jan 2016 #6
Now that he wants the Democratic nomination nt firebrand80 Jan 2016 #7
As a progressive, I don't approve of indefinite detention/assassination of US citizens w/o a trial. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #9
That was a huge disappointment farleftlib Jan 2016 #36
Note the ". . ." NurseJackie Jan 2016 #10
Can we survive any more? Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #11
Quite a List... KoKo Jan 2016 #26
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #34
Bernie should mail that to every likely primary voter in the South arely staircase Jan 2016 #41
I urge you to devote a lot of resources in this line of attack FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #14
No shit. arely staircase Jan 2016 #43
I realize this is an attempt to swipe at Bernie, TDale313 Jan 2016 #15
Running as a Democrat in a Republican district, I got the feeling that Obama let progressives down. Ron Green Jan 2016 #16
I think if the President was being honest DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #18
After the horrid things Hillary has said about Obama, you question Bernie Live and Learn Jan 2016 #19
I'm interested in what Sanders will do with his Presidency, winter is coming Jan 2016 #22
According to my millennial daughter Voice for Peace Jan 2016 #23
Obama let me down. PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #25
Yay more Cavuto Question Mark! whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #29
If your sails were still 100% full after the appointment of Geithner I'd argue sycophantic behavior. Juicy_Bellows Jan 2016 #30
here is the full quote restorefreedom Jan 2016 #31
He let me down, but I'm glad we chose him over Hillary. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #32
The only issues I have with Obama are the public option, leaving troops in the JRLeft Jan 2016 #33
Gitmo, Chelsea Manning, No banker prosecutions, ... PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #35
Obama BETRAYED progressives. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #37
Bernie should say that all over the Southern primary states arely staircase Jan 2016 #38
You'd have to ask Bernie Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #39
Democratic primary voters in Texas would not be happy. arely staircase Jan 2016 #40
At best it's rhetorical...at worst it's quizzing the Crystal Ball. libdem4life Jan 2016 #42
He cut over $8 billion in food stamps & drones have killed 1000s of innocent civilians RiverLover Jan 2016 #44
As a fair and impartial observer... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #47
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
3. Obama has a 92% approval rating from liberal dems
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:44 PM
Jan 2016

But don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
12. Like the fact that I said....
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:50 PM
Jan 2016

Democrats. Although thanks for the advise about sticking to your narrative, it always pays to listen to the experts.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
24. Wow, you do stick to your narrative....
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jan 2016

have to tip my hat to some one who follows their own advise, but again my question was.....


Do you think Democrats haven't?


If you see the word 'Obama' any where in that sentence, I suggest getting some help. We worry about you.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
13. Yup. And people can support a politician while also thinking that politician can do much better
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jan 2016

But don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

mattclearing

(10,091 posts)
46. I approve of the president but that doesn't mean I'm not disappointed.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:08 PM
Jan 2016

There are plenty of things I wish he'd done differently, like picking fewer corporate appointees, instructing the SEC and Justice Department to more aggressively pursue charges relating to financial crisis, campaigning for progressive congressional Dems and linking their races to his administration's success, making less use of drones, etc., but yeah, if you ask me if I approve of the job he's doing as president, of course I do. He's not John McCain or Mitt Romney, and he's the smartest guy in almost any room and the most hard-working as well.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
9. As a progressive, I don't approve of indefinite detention/assassination of US citizens w/o a trial.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jan 2016

Any "progressive" that does approve is not a progressive.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
10. Note the ". . ."
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jan 2016

I wonder what the full quote was.

Clever writers can turn this: "Bill Press makes the case that nobody would believe. It's poorly written and I cannot in good conscience recommend that anyone read this book."

Into this: "Bill Press makes the case . . . read this book."

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Note to Jury: This is all in good fun! Mine was just a fictitious example for illustrative purposes only. Of course I don't know what the full original quote was. But that's rather the point, isn't it? Clever editing and pull-quotes out of context can change the meaning of things entirely.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
34. LOL ...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jan 2016

Regarding President Obama: #1-The jury is still out. No one knows, or will know, the effect of this trade deal for years to come; #2-was a political ploy, even republicans know/knew this; #3-didn't happen; #4-Prosecute who for what?; #5-straight up lie ... heard of Frank-Dodd; #6-Nostrodomus territory.



TDale313

(7,820 posts)
15. I realize this is an attempt to swipe at Bernie,
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jan 2016

And I won't answer for him, but I will answer for myself.

Yeah, there were areas where I was frustrated with Obama. Particularly early on. I don't know that I really felt let down- I think he was always fairly clear he was a moderate. But there were and are areas where I felt he was too eager to meet the Republicans on their terms. (Not pushing harder for a public option, for example. Being willing to put "entitlement reform" on the table as part of a grand bargain, which yes, never happened but would have been incredibly bad news IMO) Support for the TPP has frustrated me to no end.

There have been times where I can admit my frustration and skepticism were wrong. I thought waiting for congress to act on DADT meant we'd be waiting a long long time to see it repealled. I was proven wrong- he was absolutely right on that.

I do like what I'm seeing now from "no more fucks to give" Obama. He seems to have decided with a congress that's clearly not gonna work with him and not a huge amount of time left, there are things he can and will do with or without them.

There's a ton I admire about Obama. He's not as far left as I am, and I accepted that a long time ago. And guess what? I know if Bernie got elected, there would be areas where I'd disagree with him too, and he'd face most of the same obstacles Obama has. I agree with Bernie on many issues, and I think he'd make a progressive case and fight hard. I don't think he has a magic wand, but I feel we've in too many cases been unwilling to try, and that cedes too much ground to the righties.

I think he's the right person for this moment I think he's our best shot in November and in the next four years. I don't hate Hillary, but I don't like her chances against Trump, and I don't think we can really afford a President who seems to be ok with the status quo. The system is not working for the vast majority of Americans.



Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
16. Running as a Democrat in a Republican district, I got the feeling that Obama let progressives down.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jan 2016

I had to defend him from both the left and the right, spending precious time that I needed in my own campaign.

I knocked on 6,000 doors in 2012, and was always dismayed by how much energy was required by the guy at the top of my ticket. And when I asked his campaign for a little help in my district?

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
18. I think if the President was being honest
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jan 2016

He would say he let progressives down, particularly in the "grand bargain" phase of his first term.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
19. After the horrid things Hillary has said about Obama, you question Bernie
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jan 2016

who simply wants to do even better than Obama?

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
31. here is the full quote
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:24 PM
Jan 2016

it doesn't slam the president at all, it just emphasizes that the fight for progressive action never ends.

here:


"Bill Press makes the case why, long after taking the oath of office, the next president of the United States must keep rallying the people who elected him or her on behalf of progressive causes. That is the only way real change will happen. Read this book." (Senator Bernie Sanders)

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
33. The only issues I have with Obama are the public option, leaving troops in the
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jan 2016

Middle East, TPP, and attempting a grand bargain.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
35. Gitmo, Chelsea Manning, No banker prosecutions, ...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jan 2016

NSA warrant-less surveillance, Drone assassinations...

It is a long list.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
38. Bernie should say that all over the Southern primary states
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jan 2016

Shit yeah. Start trashing Obama in NC and keep it up through super Tuesday.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
40. Democratic primary voters in Texas would not be happy.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jan 2016

Trashing Obama would sink Sanders in the South, and thus nationally.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
44. He cut over $8 billion in food stamps & drones have killed 1000s of innocent civilians
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:42 PM
Jan 2016

He ok'd radioactive, benzene-filled frack waste to be barged on the Ohio River. He's allowed wall street to write their own laws by signing them into law. He ok'd Shell to explore oil drilling in the waters off Alaska, paid for by US. He's designed a massive trade bill which will further erode manufacturing in America...

*He's better than a rethug though*

(We could sure use a Democrat though.)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
47. As a fair and impartial observer...
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:12 PM
Jan 2016

As a fair and impartial observer all I will say is I expect for this to become a big issue in the Democratic primary.

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