2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHopefully, today will be the first step in electing HRC president.
Nobody is smarter than HRC.
Nobody is better versed in policy, both domestic and foreign, than HRC.
Nobody has more experience than HRC.
Nobody is tougher than HRC.
Nobody is more effective getting things done than HRC.
Nobody works harder than Hillary.
With the GOP going way off the deep end, the next four years are going to be a constant battle. Every bit of progress will require a fight. We need a fighter, and nobody is a better fighter than Hillary.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Hillary has proven for decades that she can spit in the eye of the teahaddists and make them run away crying with their tails between their legs.
Bernie would be easy prey for Herr Trump and his minions.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)This used to count in the democratic Party. Still should.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)1) Winning the GE
2) Fighting the Republicans in congress
Proposals that are never going to happen are way down the list.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)I just don't understand why so many think she has any chance at all.
uponit7771
(90,356 posts)... revolutions.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Now proffering is good?
Please, give some clarity on what constitutes appropriate proffertude!
I'm gonna give you the ezra pound refrigerator magnet poetry award for that post, though.
uponit7771
(90,356 posts)... vs the nothing sandwhich Sanders would get with congress
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Frank Chu has Got Nothin' On You!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)uponit7771
(90,356 posts)... unilateral measures via executive orders if she has to...
That's different, Sanders will soon follow
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)A solid history of liberal voting. What about invading Iraq. She got it wrong. Bernie got it right.
You're looking at our next JFK if you would focus on him.
MsMAC
(91 posts)dirtydickcheney
(242 posts)This is a terribly disappointing line of thought.
If I were supporting a sports team then I could say "all that matters is winning".
This isn't a sports team.
When it comes to politicians what does it matter what team they are on if it ultimately comes down to going with whatever Corporate interests and the 0.1% decide should be the course.
Sad, sad, sad.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)As for all that other stuff you mentioned.... not so much.
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)Yep it's true.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)He's unelectable in my opinion. That means Hillary is the logical choice.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Totally agree.
No Bernie backer has ever disproved this to me. Therefore I support 1000% the best democrat in the race HRC!
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)and it hasn't happened yet. Prove to me that Hillary can win the GE. Proof, not a hunch. Go ahead. I'll wait here.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I think a Bernie presidential candidate would be an historic blowout landslide win for the republicans.
You prove that he wouldn't be. Ill wait here.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)That's called an opinion, only the election can prove the theory.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)super tuesday, Hillary will be the presumptive nominee of the party and we can get back to fighting the damned republicans again.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)You too!
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)The repubs have been chomping at the bit for Bernie to be the Dem nominee. In fact many repubs are supporting Bernie because they don't want Hillary to be the nominee. The repubs have tons of money and have researched Bernie going back to the 1960s. They will destroy him in quick time.
dirtydickcheney
(242 posts)Yes - he only gets minimally 3x the crowds that HRC gets.
He gets people that were entirely disgusted with the political system suddenly interested.
He has a large number of independents and a fair number of Republicans actually supporting him. I hear Republicans say "I don't like his policies but I will vote for him because he seems honest and you know what he really believes".
He runs better against Trump and Cruz when compared to HRC.
He talks about the massive transfer of wealth to the top 1% - it's a key part of his platform and talks about reversing this trend.
Meanwhile HRC gets donations from the top 10 tax dodgers.
HRC at BEST people feel mediocre about. Actually it's somewhere between 'mediocre towards supporting' and outright hatred toward her are the ranges I seem to see with people I know (these are people that call themselves Progressive).
So how is she stronger in the General than Bernie -
Maybe I wasn't taking into account all the massive donations her Super PAC gets??
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)and Sanders is the logical choice.
See how that works? It's what makes horse races. It's what makes the world go round!
4dsc
(5,787 posts)We need to make Bernie policies thous of the Democratic Party again.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Must be a fair amount of N2O in the mix.
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)I've been waiting my whole adult life to be able to vote for a qualified woman. I will proudly vote for Hillary in the Michigan Primary. It's time we stop voting in old white guys.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)It is clear from many posters that they don't know Hillary and are just repeating repub talking points about her. The repubs are doing all they can to get Bernie the Dem nomination. Then with all their research and money, the repubs will destroy Bernie.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)The woman I paid attention too during the Watergate hearings was Barbara Jordan.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)Somewhat less raptured. Or OPis excellent at what they do. Colbertis that you BTW it's a busy day and can't check OP's leanings
shenmue
(38,506 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,372 posts)narnian60
(3,510 posts)My thought, also.
riversedge
(70,281 posts)lots of hard working volunteers and staff.
elias49
(4,259 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)Very fitting.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Debbie Wasserman Binks.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I Hillary!
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)for their fraudulent behavior.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Hillary 2016!
closeupready
(29,503 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)And thy happen to match her on most of the other criteria.
pandr32
(11,605 posts)She is the only one who can and will meet the challenges certain to come, and in the "excellent" health needed to keep up her tireless schedule...one that won't quit once she is POTUS.
I am with her
This is so far from reality it hurts
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)I do not understand those that are supporting Hillary.
They have a thought process that is so different from mine that I find it disturbing.
Their whole world view seems in conflict with the many wise people and ideas that I find show a path toward a rational world.
For me, the slide to the right, the embrace of the corporate philosophy, the insistence on giving ground on the framing of debate, has made the very idea of rational discussion impossible.
Cut it out - Will never happen - these statements are nothing but surrender - and they serve no purpose other than to show surrender to the system.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)So it must be truuuuuuuuuuuuue!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)her a conservative. Calling her a royalist fascist wouldn't sound any more willfully stupid, but most apparently seem to prefer their delusions -- carefully avoiding the many honest professional analyses they don't want to see. She is a moderate liberal.
It's fine to prefer Bernie, but gratuitously villainizing her instead of just rejecting her for real reasons? Like her vote for the war, for instance. That's REAL. If you mean it. Don't hang all your dislike on a phony hook. For most of her enemies this eagerness to embrace delusions is coming from inside them, not from external factors like her actual record.
concreteblue
(626 posts)EOM
daleanime
(17,796 posts)forest444
(5,902 posts)but nobody is more disliked by crucial independent voters than Hillary. Can't win the general with someone like that.
frylock
(34,825 posts)hoosierlib
(710 posts)The last thing we need is another corporatist puppet and pander bear...
oasis
(49,400 posts)chosen to continue in her service to America. Hillary could easily kick back and rest comfortably with a secured financial nest egg.
Logical
(22,457 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)For Wall Street!
As I saw one of the Hillary Mods post today, She is the only one that will stand with the Republicans. May have been "up to" but that can't be right. After all she likes TPP, XL, Fracking, For profit Prisons, Wall Street and war.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)to get out and vote for whatever imbecile they nominate than Hillary. There is no one in politics more despised.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Republicans want Bernie. They fear Hillary. She is battle tested. The Republicans would target Bernie's many weaknesses. Running on the same platform as Walter Mondale, he would have the same fate-He won 1 state-His home state of MN
Carolina
(6,960 posts)Too much poor judgment
Too much baggage: NAFTA, Telecommunications Act, Welfare Deform, destruction of Glass Steagall
Too much hyperbole: "nobody smarter, tougher, more effective"
Hopefully 2016 will be like 2008 and we can bid HRC adieu for good!
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Except she insists on running in the Democratic Primary.
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)Bernie isn't even a Dem. I wish he was. I have a huge problem with that. Why don't you?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Because I see it as a feature, not a bug.
The Democratic Party has become the go-along-to-get-along Party. They cynically pretend to be on the verge of fighting for us when they need our votes ("Give us subpoena power!), only to immediately acquiesce upon receiving them ("Impeachment is off the table!" . They are unwilling to whip votes for bedrock Democratic issues like health care, yet are willing to put Social Security on the bargaining table.
I'm not a Democrat, yet I registered as one simply to vote for Bernie in the primary. I will drop my membership immediately after. Posts like yours continually reinforce that this is the right decision.
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)Bernie's running as a Dem to win the Democratic nomination. I'm an elected precinct delegate in the Democratic Party.
I go to my monthly district meetings. We are all Dems there. Bernie's not a Dem. I have a problem with that. Besides we have enough old white guys being president anyway.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)You are my political opponents.
Party loyalty is for authoritarians.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)I've waited my whole adult life to be able to vote for a qualified Dem woman for president. I will proudly vote for Hillary in the Michigan Primary. She is one hell of a fighter and will make up all proud!
SunSeeker
(51,657 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,372 posts)nt
reACTIONary
(5,771 posts)Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)Hillary is morally and ethically unfit to hold political office. She was a do nothing senator and terrible secretary of state.
If there is any justice she will be prosecuted for the email debacle.
Everything she has ever done was with one goal in mind to get her hands on the power sh so greatly desires. I for one , and there are many of us, will NEVER help her to get that power.
Trump will easily defeat her if she manages to worm her way into the nomination
DanTex
(20,709 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)underpants
(182,868 posts)But the %'s will be all the talk tomorrow regardless of the outcome
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)The crooked banksters.
The greedy pharmaceutical manufacturers.
The superfluous health insurance companies.
The toxic fossil fuel barons.
The media that fails to provide the necessary information to a democratic society, and even substitutes lies.
The corrupt politicians who allow themselves to be bought with bribes generous campaign contributions.
Feel the Bern. Power to the People.
elias49
(4,259 posts)that, should she win, you won't be seeing her grand plans enacted any time soon. I mean she has a million of them. After 25 years, she's had time to draw any number of pretty paint-by-numbers scenarios. She, individually, will save mankind from decay.
Or not.
bloom
(11,635 posts)"Noam Chomsky would absolutely choose Hillary Clinton over the Republican nominee if he lived in a swing state, but her primary challenger, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, doesnt have much of a chance," the MIT professor and intellectual said in a recent interview."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/noam-chomsky-supports-hillary-clinton-218192#ixzz3yyLa9ULR