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Bernblu

(441 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:45 AM Feb 2016

Did Hillary win Iowa caucus on coin flips?

I read in multiple places that Hillary won six of seven coin flips for delegates. If true, did she win the caucus on coin flips? She currently leads by 4 delegate with one precinct in Des Moines outstanding. Were there no coin flips, Bernie would be leading by one delegate. This shows how undemocratic the caucus process.

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PatrickforO

(14,586 posts)
5. She didn't win. Oh, she might have one or two more delegates, but
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:54 AM
Feb 2016

she had a giant, powerful, well-funded political machine and was the presumptive nominee. Then you have Bernie coming out of nowhere and turning the Clinton machine's 50 point lead into a tie.

No, Clinton didn't 'win.' Bernie won. And so did the rest of the American people.

Big.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
7. The most organized and staffed Iowa ground game
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:27 AM
Feb 2016

ever assembled, I've been told here. Bernie wouldn't stand a chance.

Hillary needed a little chance to pull it off. This is a win fo Bernie and for we supporters.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
6. Never forget that it was her guy Carville that convinced John Kerry that it
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:54 AM
Feb 2016

was not worth it to contest the voting situation in Ohio. (Carville basically lied and told Kerry that there were not enough outstanding ballots left uncounted to give Kerry the Ohio electoral votes, and Kerry believed him.)

So don't expect any ethical approach to this race between her and Sanders. She helped give us four more years of George W just so that the 2008 election would be hers. (Karma is a bitch, and refused to let her have that '08 win!)

Bernblu

(441 posts)
8. I think the real problem is the whole concept of the caucus
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:30 AM
Feb 2016

Why the Democrats retain such an undemocratic (small "d&quot system is beyond me. I would bet that Sanders won the popular vote by 1 or 2% but since his vote was more concentrated in certain precincts where turnout was high he lost the delegate vote. We may never know this for sure because the data for 90 precincts apparently disappeared.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
14. Are you kidding me?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:03 PM
Feb 2016

(I suspect you are not.)

So the data for 90 precincts basically disappeared!

That is so "Chicago" of the Democratic Party Leadership.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
10. Yep and I will not let people forget that.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:35 AM
Feb 2016

I am so glad Bernie didn't win on coin tosses. I would have flipped my .... No seriously who gave that the red light they need to be fired. A coin toss win is not a win.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
11. Yes. Clinton supporters will conveniently forget this and/or gloss it over
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:39 AM
Feb 2016

It doesn't reflect their spin that she "won" outright instead of "winning" by a game of chance

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
12. Yep snicker
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:39 AM
Feb 2016

But her supporters will act like it was a big win based on her abilities. Is there video of those tosses BTW?

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