For people trying to spin Iowa as a big Bernie win. One chart:

[DanTex]

[Roy Ellefson]

1. what's wrong with our demographic

As a member of the "demographic" that dominates the Democratic Party in Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota and other areas of the country I'm offended that some supporters of HRC want to write us off as unimportant and inconsequential. In order to win HRC will need Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa...she will not win Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, South Carolina, and Georgia. If you look at your little chart you will see that 8 of the first 10 states are essential for a Democratic victory. Take us for granted at your peril.

[DanTex]

8. Nothing wrong with it, just that it's right up Bernie's alley. I'm a white (male) liberal too.

But the fact is that Bernie lost a state with demographics highly favorable to him, so it's a bit strange to see so many people spinning it as a win.

It would be like Hillary spinning a close loss in Georgia as a win.

[cali]

11. Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

[rusty fender]

44. Bernie did not lose: it was a tie!

Tie goes to the runner, in other words, it was a huge strategic win for Bernie.

Fact is, Bernie is going to crush Hillary in NH, then he will be the frontrunner. Momentum will be his for the rest of February and Hillary will have a mountain to climb, at that point.

No one is buying your meme that Bernie lost Iowa

[DanTex]

45. Interesting. So many people who can't compare two numbers and see which is bigger.

[jmowreader]

68. It was an epic DISASTER for Bernie!

If I had a nickel for every picture of an overflowing Bernie rally in Iowa...a "Hillary is in freefall!" post on Facebook...a breathless "Bernie is the savior of the Democratic Party!" post on DU...a glowing Bernie endorsement by some celebrity that about five people have heard of before (name one Killer Mike album without googling his discography)...or a Prominent Economist explaining how Bernie's plans are so wonderful everyone should stop what they're doing to vote for him...well, I'd need a pallet jack to move them all. According to Sanders' supporters, Bernie should have left Iowa with about 75 percent of the delegates because Everyone Just LOVES Bernie!

The final result: He lost by 8 delegates.

[rusty fender]

69. This epic defeat of Bernie in Iowa

You talk about, this 8 delegate margin, will pale by comparison to his win over her in NH.

Will you be so smug after her 33% margin loss next week

[1StrongBlackMan]

55. Perhaps you should make clear what the chart applies to ...

a head to head Primary between HRC and Bernie ... where Bernie is expected to/supposed to win those FEW states with high white liberals, and be less competitive, elsewhere. Right?

[DanTex]

56. Yes. The numbers are based on 2008, but one can expect them to be reasonably representative of the

demographics of primary voters this time around.

And all polling (that I've seen) indicates that white liberals are Bernie's strongest demographic. So the idea is just what you said -- he is expected to be most competitive in states towards the top of the list. Iowa ranking so high, and Bernie losing, albeit by a tiny margin, is not a good sign unless he can seriously turn the numbers around.

[lunamagica]

13. Nothing wrong. Dan is just pointing out the lack of diversity. The fact that Iowa doesn't

reflect the demographics of the rest of the country

[Roy Ellefson]

48. not really

actually Dan is diminishing the importance of states like Iowa and I correctly noted that 8 of the first 10 states on that list similarly lack "diversity" yet those 8 are essential to a Democratic victory. Dan is essentially suggesting that the deep south should select our candidate.

[yardwork]

60. Thus is not about shoulds. This is about how people vote.

[yardwork]

59. Nobody is calling us unimportant or inconsequential.

We're talking about the numbers here. This is an election.

[HassleCat]

2. Excellent!

The racial politics were only simmering at the bottom of the pot. Now they'll start to boil in a serious way. This will make our party look good.

[mcar]

3. Excellent chart!

[Ed Suspicious]

4. I think he is polling ahead in Wisconsin now.

[immoderate]

5. It was a big Bernie win!

--imm

[Avalux]

6. Did you know that Bernie won a huge majority of Independents last night?

I know you want to put him in the white liberal box but sorry - this revolution includes everyone.

[HERVEPA]

7. Well, you certainly are a

How many times are you gonna post the same thing? Were you assigned a quota?

[Quixote1818]

9. Sanders civil rights record is taylor made for Black and Hispanic voters. Much more so than Hillary

He just needs to get his message out in those stats now and has plenty of cash to do so. New Hampshire will give him a huge boost and I am willing to bet everything tightens up. It will end up a horse race.

[d_legendary1]

29. SHHHHH!!!! That doesn't fit with the all white meme

camp weather vane is tossing out! Remember that white, young, and male!

[riversedge]

10. k

[Kentonio]

12. I love this idea that Bernie is only going to appeal to white liberals

Despite his platform quite clearly offering the most benefits to minorities and working class whites, yet apparently Hillary with her corporation friendly approach supposedly has those voters firmly locked up.

The only thing standing between Bernie and the nomination is reaching enough of those voters and convincing them that he can achieve what he says he can. That's the fight right there, and it doesn't have a damn thing to do with white liberals.

[Schema Thing]

19. thank you

[lunamagica]

14. Excellent chart, Dan. Thank you

[jham123]

15. Hillary is not white?

What is missing in your chart it the fact that Young women voted for Bernie last evening......not Hillary.

And where in the chart does it state that Blacks will vote for White Hillary over White Bernie?

[reformist2]

16. Bernie also appeals to independents way more than Hillary... Got a chart for that? ;)

[randome]

17. Does 'Bern-out' have possibilities for a new meme?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[Vinca]

18. I can't help but notice the chart descends into Gooberville where no Democrat will win much anyway.

Unless, of course, they can wave their Bible and use the words "God" and "Jesus" in every other sentence.

[cwydro]

26. Gooberville?

Seriously?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

20. race baiting sucks

[DanTex]

21. It sure does. Not sure what that has to do with this OP.

[Iggy Knorr]

61. There's that gosh durn Limited Understanding (tm) again

[Bread and Circus]

22. You are inferring the Clinton is more Conservative just so you know.

I am sure you are smart enough to figure it out yourself.

[DanTex]

23. No kidding.

[Bread and Circus]

42. Well you might wanna let Hillary know that given she claims to be a progressive and all that.

I forget which Sybil she is anymore. Which Sybil will she be next week?

[DanTex]

43. She is a progressive.

[frylock]

62. When she's not proclaiming to be a moderate.

[Ed Suspicious]

35. That's the way they like it, these compassionate conservatives in the Democratic party.

[Schema Thing]

24. For Hillary supporters whistling past the graveyard; two charts

National Elections in America are won by the votes of Independents. America is Bernie country:


Link: http://ivn.us/2015/09/15/ivn-presidential-poll-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-ben-carson-lead/

[DanTex]

25. An online poll! Woohoo!

[redstateblues]

27. Online polls are just what we thought

wildly unreliable.

[Fearless]

32. Turns out so were the phone polls.

[cascadiance]

40. Just as reliable as those TON of corporate media polls back in 2008...

... that said she would have been elected then instead of still trying to get elected with the help of corporatist media this time around that keep pushing their pundits on to us while taking down their online polls as soon as they put them up when it doesn't match their scripted narrative.

[d_legendary1]

37. Yeah just like the ones predicting HRC at 8%

when she won by the skin of her teeth. It just goes to show that polling sucks.

[GeoWilliam750]

54. Perhaps I am a bit daft, but

I see Hillary's narrow win in Iowa as being akin to the Carolina Panthers defeating Notre Dame by one point, and then crowing about the victory.

[d_legendary1]

57. Not daft at all

Its as you say, but they're celebrating like they're the Seattle Seahawks when they beat down the Denver Broncos. All of us should go home and forget the rest. It makes no sense at all.

[frylock]

63. Apt analogy.

Although Cam seems a bit more subdued in comparison to the Hillarians.

[EdwardBernays]

28. Clinton Talking Point 2.0

Now with graphics!

[Fearless]

30. Race baiting again?

[DanTex]

31. Yeah, other people have accused me of that for pointing out facts. Makes no sense.

[Fearless]

33. The poutrage is strong in this one.

[DanTex]

34. That's weird too.

[Fearless]

41. Not everything you don't understand is weird

Though that certainly explains away truth very dismissively.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

66. What's weird is he expects us to believe he doesn't understand.

[lunamagica]

36. Pssst. You are never to mention the word "race". you may never post anything that even

implies a discussion on the topic of...race.

Around here, that constitutes "race baiting"

[DanTex]

39. Seems like that, right? No speaking about race allowed.

[NCTraveler]

38. I don't think it's possible to spin it as a Sanders win.

I don't think people here would do so. It would look very small and petty.

[NurseJackie]

46. ...

[Number23]

50. You're joking, right???

Please say that you're joking.

[frylock]

65. Yeah, this is their level of joking.

This is why conservative comedy is never deliberately funny.

[Ferd Berfel]

47. FOr those that strut over Hillary's .3% lead

[DanTex]

49. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511123143

[BlueCaliDem]

53. ...

[ViseGrip]

51. But Hillary loses her home state of Arkansas....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511103217

[CajunBlazer]

64. Not this time - no way is Arkansas going to go for a socialist

[1StrongBlackMan]

52. You're being racist, again!!! eom.

[Bleacher Creature]

58. Her meeting last week in Philly was key.

The fact that she took time away from campaigning in IA and NH to help shore up the AA vote in Pennsylvania shows that she gets it and is playing the long game in this primary.

All she had to do was to avoid losing both IA and NH (which would lead to the inevitable "she's doomed!" narrative). I would have loved to see her get a more resounding win, but that would have been a bonus, not a necessity.

People can spin it any way they'd like, but she's still in very good shape.

[uponit7771]

67. Facts, math, science and reality are going to have to be Bern Victims (tm) now....

... cause revolution and shit