Sexism? You want to know what REAL SEXISM is?

[islandmkl]

choosing a candidate based on GENDER...at any stage of decision-making...

if the only difference(s) between candidates boils down to their sex, well then...just flip a coin

[djean111]

1. Exactly right. n/t

[TIME TO PANIC]

2. K & R !

[Avalux]

3. Well said! K&R!!

[NCTraveler]

4. You are completely wrong.

That is not sexism at all. Pretty simple stuff.

Let's follow your logic. If one were to cast vote because they identified with the color of someone's skin, would that be racism?

[islandmkl]

8. if the decision was soley predicated on skin color...as opposed to any and all other traits

that should be considered when choosing leadership positions, etc....

then yes, that would be racist....

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. What is skin color (or gender) was the deciding factor between ...

two or more candidates that you deem substantially equal?

[roguevalley]

34. telling me as woman I have to vote for one is sexism.

[1StrongBlackMan]

39. No one has said that. But there have been several supporters of another candidate ...

telling women NOT to "vote their Va JJs."

[Agschmid]

5. It's cool we've been picking people based off sex for centuries.

And it appears we may continue to do so.

It doesn't have to be Hillary I get that, but doesn't it say something to women everywhere that she is the only serious (major party) candidate we have ever had for President that is female.

Sexism is built into this political system.

It's so frustrating to watch, where are the other women? Why aren't they running? Why aren't they taken seriously?

[Skinner]

6. Yes, choosing a candidate based on gender is sexism.

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It's time to get sexism out of our presidential selection process.

[islandmkl]

10. the presidential selection process is merely an example of our sexist culture...

I would submit that sexism needs to be attacked at all levels, the more base the better...

Merely making some kind of choice based only on gender doesn't sound like anything more than a symbolic gesture as opposed to finding leadership that will actually help advance the process of making the culture less sexist...

[elias49]

11. Time to get frivolous claims of sexism off these boards entirely -

it's an over-used excuse for alerts.

[DURHAM D]

14. So, did you Alert on his post? nt

[elias49]

15. WTH?

Confused?

[wildeyed]

26. Yes you are! n/t

[roguevalley]

36. I have a yearning for a woman president like any other woman but not just ANY

woman. If Elizabeth or someone like her runs, I am in. Not the first for me, just the best.

[wildeyed]

24. Said like a true dude!

Walks like a duck, quacks like one too.....

[elias49]

33. Don't be foolish on my account!

[wildeyed]

38. Of course not!

You do it so well already, you don't need any help at all

[yardwork]

32. Thank you.

[all american girl]

7. IF I choose Hillary, it won't be based on gender....I'm one of those silly people who is

still undecided

My husband is for her....and he's a dude...so there's that.

[PeaceNikki]

9. That's not sexism. It's hyperbole because most HRC supporters support more than her hoo-ha.

[islandmkl]

12. which is how it should be...

I would like to see less of the 'it's ________time' type posts....about nearly anything other than 'it's the American peoples' time'

[grossproffit]

13. Some people won't vote for a woman because of their gender.

Sadly, some, won't vote for a woman due to her having a vagina. They think them having a vagina disqualifies them from making big decisions.

[elias49]

16. And some will.

[brooklynite]

17. So anyone who voted for Obama as the first Black President was a racist?

Want to try that line in the Southern States and see how it works?

[Lorien]

18. Clinton fans will NEVER discuss the issues because her positions on 90% are solidly right wing

Her gender isn't a factor no matter how much they scream about it (do they support Palin and Bachmann too)? We don't support Hillary because we don't support a war with Iran, fracking, Wall street corruption, Monsanto and unlabeled GMOs, the TPP, NAFTA, favors for arms manufacturers, for-profit prisons and the new slavery, High credit card and student loan interest rates, and turning a blind eye to climate change. Hillary supports ALL of those things. The planet can't survive for more years of conservative insanity! (And yes, she's solidly conservative on the political compass).

What we DO want is real action on climate change, universal health care, access to higher education for all students with above average GPAs, less student loan debt (I teach graduate level courses, and I worry about my students and their high interest loans). We want less corporate welfare and an end to wars for profit. We want our infrastructure fixed and investment in green renewable energy. We want our public lands, food, air, and water protected. We want to end Citizen's United and enact real campaign finance reform. We want pay equity for women (which Hillary did not support while on Walmart's board). We want an end to for-profit prisons and We want to see the police de-militarized. We want to see Saudi Arabia and other well armed Nations start to deal with their extremists on their own dimes! On these issues and so much more we agree with Bernie Sanders; the only truly progressive candidate running!

[ismnotwasm]

19. Just what do you teach?

Out of curiosity?

[Lorien]

21. What's your position on the issues?

Out of curiosity?

[ismnotwasm]

22. I support Hillary

I was looking at your perception of her, and I was curious. I can certainly argue issues, but I won't --and don't do it here.

I was guessing you are not a history teacher. I could be wrong of course.

[hifiguy]

27. + a googolplex. nt

[ljm2002]

20. I don't really agree with you...

...if all else was equal, then I would weigh gender and vote for the woman.

In this contest, though, all else is definitely not equal. The female candidate does not represent my views very closely at all, and I have no problem voting for the candidate that does, who happens to be a male.

[wildeyed]

23. Statistically, men will vote for male candidates over a female

candidate at a way higher percentage than the reverse. That is what you are talking about, right?

It is so interesting that whenever a female or black candidate is beating a white male candidate, the supporters of the white male trot out the ole "identity politics" trope as an excuse for why their guy is losing. Don't you hate it when that happens?

[davidn3600]

29. When Hillary and her supporters yell, "It's time for a woman president!"

That's suggesting that we should be voting for her because of her gender.

Obama never said in 2008, "it's time we had a black president."

[wildeyed]

37. Some of his supporters sure did.

And they were right, just like Clinton supporters are right that it is time we had a female president. Since all our presidents before were white men, I tend to agree. It is a point of PRIDE from traditionally disenfranchised and persecuted groups to see one of our own finally win the big prize. One would think that PROGRESSIVES would understand this.

But STATISTICALLY, we, meaning women and blacks, are MORE likely to vote for a white male over one of our own than a white male will vote for a minority over one of HIS own.

So there is some REAL SEXISM for ya!

[davidn3600]

40. I'm a white man, and I voted for Obama twice

His race played absolutely no role in my decision.

I do not support Hillary. But it's not her gender I have a problem with. I would have absolutely no problem with a woman president......just not THAT woman. And I am not going to sacrifice my principles and beliefs just so we can say we elected a woman. I care more about fixing the real problems in this world instead of making historical headlines and playing identity politics.

It was a big deal when Obama was elected as the first black president. I don't deny that. But that particular enthusiasm didn't last long. After a few months, no one cared that he was black except maybe some racists on the extreme right. It was business as usual in Washington. Poverty among blacks has actually gone up. Police still beat up and kill blacks in the streets. Just last year you had a white kid go into a church and murder 9 people because they are black. Where is the progress? It's one area Obama has no doubt failed to find progress.

Same thing will happen though with Hillary with women. There will be a month or two of feminism celebrating a huge accomplishment.....and then everything will be as usual. The earning gap will remain. The Republicans will continue to block any pro-choice legislation. The DOJ will continue to ignore real criminals on Wall Street and the corrupt cops across the country. The middle class will continue to be fucked sideways. But at least we have a woman president!

[Tarc]

25. Just flip a coin?

Well, as a Clinton supporter, I am fine with that...

[wildeyed]

28. Heads we win, tails they lose!

[AzDar]

31. Precisely.