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Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:50 PM Feb 2016

A Question I Really Wish Would Be Asked To Clinton At Next Debate

Secretary Clinton,

You have been touting your experience as a significant reason for people to support you as President over Senator Sanders.

We know you have great admiration for Pres. Obama and what he has done as President. But you criticized him quite a bit in 2008 for not having enough experience to be President.

I also assume that you think your husband, Bill Clinton, was a good President. Yet he was a Governor of a medium sized state in the South. Then he became President.

So why do you think that Sen Sanders, who has more experienced than either Pres. Obama or Bill Clinton when they were running, wouldnt be capable of being as good a President as those you admire?

My guess would be we wouldn't get an answer beyond socialism, can't be done, dangerous times and ----- fill in e blank.


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A Question I Really Wish Would Be Asked To Clinton At Next Debate (Original Post) Nanjeanne Feb 2016 OP
Strawman, no one is talking about Sanders experience or inexperience... I hope she responds with uponit7771 Feb 2016 #1
Seriously? Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #2
Eight years two and a half weeks as Senator madokie Feb 2016 #54
That's a total of 20 years in HIGH government, not as a representative and Senator from..... George II Feb 2016 #73
chop 8 off roguevalley Feb 2016 #80
Do you think that Laura Bush's eight years in the White House count as experience that would JDPriestly Feb 2016 #82
No comparison. How many years did Laura Bush serve in the Senate? How many years.... George II Feb 2016 #86
You know who else has more executive experience than Hillary? jmowreader Feb 2016 #128
Bernie has more executive experience than Hillary. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #129
Experience as mayor of a 36k-population city qualifies you to be president? jmowreader Feb 2016 #130
the size of the state does not make a Senator more or less karynnj Feb 2016 #85
But he's gone on and on about how important his "constituency" is related to his votes.... George II Feb 2016 #88
In the Senate that is irrelevant nt karynnj Feb 2016 #95
I agree. There is a lot more "national" importance to being a Senator vs. being a Representative... George II Feb 2016 #104
As a constituent living in the city that his tenure as mayor made a great place to live, karynnj Feb 2016 #108
I'm a Bernie supporter, but I think you're distorting what's asctuall being said. napi21 Feb 2016 #103
What ever madokie Feb 2016 #106
Experience is not a checkbox, it's a paragraph. jeff47 Feb 2016 #121
keeping 29 million Americans from needlessly dying is pixie dust? questionseverything Feb 2016 #4
No, Sanders plan to get Doctors, Hospital corps and Pharma to except half of their current pay is .. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #5
I missed that in his plan Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #6
A lot of people did... it aint there... just more pixie dust politics uponit7771 Feb 2016 #8
I see. So in your opinion. Or in your Magic 8 ball. No problem. Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #14
Naw... facts matter more than what you and I think... there's no pratical plan of Sanders in his uponit7771 Feb 2016 #18
You're out there ain't you? madokie Feb 2016 #55
How you can NOT outline Sanders plan to make the Docs, Pharma and Hospitals pay half is NOT uponit7771 Feb 2016 #59
What the hell are you trying to say madokie Feb 2016 #68
Sanders marketed politics depends on people not looking at any details of why and how something uponit7771 Feb 2016 #75
Good God all mighty madokie Feb 2016 #79
... Then they grammar check you... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #98
You are the one not looking into any details of how and why and then attempting to spread cui bono Feb 2016 #113
i'd go with no clue noiretextatique Feb 2016 #127
That one is pretty 'brave' to show their 'nak', I mean 'knack', for word salad. cui bono Feb 2016 #131
Yeah, there is NO logic there. cui bono Feb 2016 #114
OMFG... How many damn times did I copy and paste his health care plan for you and STILL cui bono Feb 2016 #112
So much for truth and honor in debate ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #7
.... then they spell check you... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #9
Spell check wouldn't save you from that blunder. HubertHeaver Feb 2016 #32
How do you use... monicaangela Feb 2016 #38
Trump's loss affected (verb) him. It was quite an effect (noun). Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #123
BINGO!!! monicaangela Feb 2016 #124
we build several homes for docs questionseverything Feb 2016 #11
We agree, asking them nicely to take those cuts isn't going to work though... it's not realistic uponit7771 Feb 2016 #20
Who said anything about asking nicely? passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #102
What type of surgeon? Docreed2003 Feb 2016 #52
ears,nose and throat questionseverything Feb 2016 #120
Yeah ENTs tend to have a higher office overhead... Docreed2003 Feb 2016 #125
We all gotta eat first Desktopgrass Feb 2016 #76
They would still be making a great deal of money, and this would bring a vast amount of relief to Cal33 Feb 2016 #44
Gee, I wonder how all those other countries passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #63
And it's freedom. nt clarice Feb 2016 #84
Yeah, freedom to die if you are poor. passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #90
OK.....I don't even know where to begin..... clarice Feb 2016 #92
Democratic socialism has plenty of freedom and capitalism intact passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #94
Thank you ..I will .nt clarice Feb 2016 #96
What's wrong is The People have lost their voice. Duval Feb 2016 #91
where did you make that up? Perogie Feb 2016 #89
I'm certain your claims are inaccurate. Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #109
Post the proof or shut up about what you refuse to learn about. cui bono Feb 2016 #115
I just hope her supporters are willing to sacrifice their children for her next war. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #13
I, like most democrats, don't hate Hillary enough to think she's going to start some useless shit uponit7771 Feb 2016 #21
yeah, ok. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #28
Typical smear, no context ... just a supporting position phrase... disingenuous at best uponit7771 Feb 2016 #31
Nice try, but it's no smear. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #35
It is, in context I support what she says ... if they fuck with us we fuck with them... she didn't uponit7771 Feb 2016 #37
I did not hide it. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #40
Voting record? Desktopgrass Feb 2016 #77
The same as Sanders for funding it?! I'm not a LIV... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #99
Are you really Dretownblues Feb 2016 #105
And she has a plan? notadmblnd Feb 2016 #10
Yes, as a listening progressive you very well know this plan that she's outline multiple times uponit7771 Feb 2016 #22
Direct me to it please notadmblnd Feb 2016 #29
Link inside... Sanders will soon follow her lead uponit7771 Feb 2016 #30
That is not an answer to the question. That is not working with congress notadmblnd Feb 2016 #33
She never said she would... she understands congress an the obstacle they present to progressing uponit7771 Feb 2016 #60
You're right. And a republican congress will never work with her. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #118
You are either misinformed or uninformed cali Feb 2016 #12
Yeap, revolution (with asterisks) is pixie dust... he's not outlined how he's going to get uponit7771 Feb 2016 #23
So we just keep 2x as much for far worse outcomes than other developed countries forever? bread_and_roses Feb 2016 #19
No, work with what we got slowly but surly and do not "bern" what we do have to the ground uponit7771 Feb 2016 #24
So you think Hillary can work with the Republicans to modify a bill that they have tried A Simple Game Feb 2016 #61
No, she's outlined how she'll work around them.. she understands the gerrymandereing I wish uponit7771 Feb 2016 #62
Perhaps she could advise President Obama on how to bypass Congress and A Simple Game Feb 2016 #116
She did with the gun measures and Obama has adopted them, she's already being effective uponit7771 Feb 2016 #119
Nowhere else in the developed world is managing a system like Sanders wants jmowreader Feb 2016 #36
and the ones managing anything CLOSE to the Sanders systems morally puts caps on what uponit7771 Feb 2016 #42
I know of two that are similar to the Sanders system jmowreader Feb 2016 #49
So her rely to what you call a strawman... daleanime Feb 2016 #25
No, a change to a substantive point of debate :smile_sunglasses: uponit7771 Feb 2016 #26
The inevitable one just barely squeaked by noiretextatique Feb 2016 #43
We'll see... the very people Sanders revolution is supposed to be for leans towards Hillary uponit7771 Feb 2016 #65
Exactly. I believe for the most part what Clinton says when she's discussing "experience"..... George II Feb 2016 #67
+1, They are marginalizing her experience at the cost of the very people Sanders says he's leading.. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #71
NO WE CAN'T! NO WE CAN'T! NO WE CAN'T! Lordquinton Feb 2016 #81
That's a good chant for Sanders camp while HRC has outlined HOW SHE WILL!!! lol... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #83
talk about pixie dust Perogie Feb 2016 #87
Yes, the logic that Sanders has outlined said plan... is pixie dust... he hasn't uponit7771 Feb 2016 #100
+1 lunamagica Feb 2016 #3
I would like to streamline the question to: sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #15
That is an excellent question! Duval Feb 2016 #93
gah retrowire Feb 2016 #16
If we had moderators AT ALL, this place murielm99 Feb 2016 #97
Question I wish she would be asked: You have repeatedly stated that no information marked classified peacebird Feb 2016 #17
Bill Clinton had experience running a state. That is not less experience than Sanders had. pnwmom Feb 2016 #27
Why do you never provide citations that provide evidence for what you write? notadmblnd Feb 2016 #39
I almost always provide citations but I thought that was common knowledge. pnwmom Feb 2016 #46
We've see Thorpe article a dozen times Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #48
Thanks for your insight. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #50
This article discusses Thorpe and the criticism of Thorpe, AND includes pnwmom Feb 2016 #51
Well thanks for the link as now I can see you only presented half the fact. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #53
Ah executive experience like this Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #41
Running a city of about 40,000 isn't much preparation for being President. pnwmom Feb 2016 #58
I get it now. You have to have the exact experience that your examples have Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #64
No. I was disagreeing with your statement in the OP. pnwmom Feb 2016 #69
Do you know what a mayor's duties are? n/t A Simple Game Feb 2016 #56
It all depends on the city. In some the city council makes most of the decisions. pnwmom Feb 2016 #74
So size does matter? I wondered about that. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2016 #117
Sorry, the 'experience' card is no longer in the game. elleng Feb 2016 #34
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #45
Can we also ask her a few questions concerning her and Bill's ethics in the way they've used raindaddy Feb 2016 #47
I would like that. 840high Feb 2016 #66
Having "experience" while possessing bad judgement makes the person a poor choice nt amborin Feb 2016 #57
Hillary seems unable to itemize her own accomplishments PWPippin Feb 2016 #70
I want to know if she will support and sign the CARERS act. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #72
Please submit your question to whoever is selecting questions for the next debate. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #78
Why did Davos say that even though you came out against TPP now while running for POTUS onecaliberal Feb 2016 #101
I would like someone to ask her if she will pledge to not 'devolve' on her newly-found Progressive AzDar Feb 2016 #107
Her Response would be.....9/11 n/t Dying Eagle Feb 2016 #110
Good question I would ask this: dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #111
Not to mention that Bill was a governor with NO foreign policy experience. jillan Feb 2016 #122
Kick n/t warrprayer Feb 2016 #126

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
1. Strawman, no one is talking about Sanders experience or inexperience... I hope she responds with
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:53 PM
Feb 2016

... Sanders is offering pixie dust politics and no way to get around a digitally gerrymandered GOP congress like he has not being doing for the last 6 years.

That should be her reply

Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)
2. Seriously?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:57 PM
Feb 2016

Perfectly valid question. She talks about her experience as being so valuable. So let's change it to

If Obama and Bill were such good Presidents with less experience than Sanders has - do you agree that a person with good judgement but less experience than you could be a good president?

Does that make you happier?

madokie

(51,076 posts)
54. Eight years two and a half weeks as Senator
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:25 PM
Feb 2016

first lady for 8 years which hardly qualifies as Presidential material based on that and 4 years of S of S. Hardly evidence of qualifications to our highest office by anyone stretch of the imagination. Wasn't even that good of a S of S at that

How can she even imply she has more experience than Bernie? Seriously how the fuck can she?
Been running for the Presidency since bill walking into the Oval office and that is not qualifications either. Every thing she's done has been done with her eye on the Presidency

I want a real President not a wanta' be

George II

(67,782 posts)
73. That's a total of 20 years in HIGH government, not as a representative and Senator from.....
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:45 PM
Feb 2016

.....the second or third least populated state in the country - so small that they only have ONE representative in Congress.

I don't think she says she has "more" experience, I think she says she has BETTER experience. I can't see anyone arguing with that.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
82. Do you think that Laura Bush's eight years in the White House count as experience that would
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:16 PM
Feb 2016

qualify her for the presidency?

Hillary had the same. That time really does not count for much especially since Clinton's legacy is in many respects not very good in retrospect.

Sanders has far, far, far more experience than Hillary.

Mayor of Burlington -- more executive experience than Hillary -- for four terms of two years each. He was extremely successful in that position. He proved that he is a good leader.

Then in 1992 he served in he House until he was elected to the Senate. He knows everybody in Congress. He has gotten many amendments passed even in Republican-controlled Congresses.

Bernie has achieved a lot especially with regard to Veteran's Affairs.

Bernie serves on the Budget Committee and knows our budget inside out. He also served on the Energy Committee and when he talks about environmental issues, he also knows what he is talking about.

Bernie has paid his dues. He is the best candidate for the presidency.

A lot of people are ignorant about what Bernie really has done and achieved. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to talk about it.

Feel the Bern!

George II

(67,782 posts)
86. No comparison. How many years did Laura Bush serve in the Senate? How many years....
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:25 PM
Feb 2016

....in a Presidential Cabinet?

Laura Bush was a librarian, Hillary Clinton has a law degree from Yale.

You're bragging about Sanders being Mayor of Burlington Vermont? REALLY? Do you know anything about Burlington, Vermont? That's "executive" experience? When he was Mayor, Burlington had less than 35,000 residents.

PS - thanks for the cheap shot about President Clinton's legacy - his approval rating is higher than Saint Ronald (Reagan) and is among the highest since they started that rating.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
129. Bernie has more executive experience than Hillary.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:31 PM
Feb 2016

He was mayor of a town that really liked what he did as mayor.

Hillary was four years in the State Department. That is the extent of her executive experience. And her work was not all that great. We now have ISIS. We will probably hear Republicans blame that on her non-stop during this year's campaign.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
130. Experience as mayor of a 36k-population city qualifies you to be president?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:48 PM
Feb 2016

How much mayoring could a town that size need? I live in a town that's a little larger than Burlington, and our mayor is a part-time official.

What I have to go on with Bernie is the undeniable fact he's a one-trick pony, and that trick is economics. Even his votes against the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars were on the basis of economics - he would have rather spent the money on domestic issues. (Which is a good argument, but it's not what Bernie's fans think was his casus non-belli.) And guys...Bernie's original healthcare proposal called for pharmaceutical savings that exceeded actual pharmaceutical spending, and his current one may still require pharm makers to sell their wares for less than they spend to make them.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
85. the size of the state does not make a Senator more or less
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:24 PM
Feb 2016

Powrrful. Their seniority and their skill do. Pat Leahy is far more important that many senators from bigger states.

George II

(67,782 posts)
88. But he's gone on and on about how important his "constituency" is related to his votes....
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:28 PM
Feb 2016

...in Congress and the Senate.

So I guess 600,000 people are more important than 20 MILLION people in New York, 38 MILLION people in California, etc.?

George II

(67,782 posts)
104. I agree. There is a lot more "national" importance to being a Senator vs. being a Representative...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:58 PM
Feb 2016

....but unfortunately he's used his constituency as his excuse for his gun votes as a Senator.

I truly don't believe he understands the significance of being a Senator.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
108. As a constituent living in the city that his tenure as mayor made a great place to live,
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:04 PM
Feb 2016

I assure you he knows exactly what it means to be a Senator and what it meant to be a representative --- in fact, in Vermont he represented the exact same population in both jobs.

You focus on gun control, but ignore the fantastic work he has done on programs that help veterans and provides health care and other needs for people - across the country.

His gun votes are not the sum total of who he is -- any more than Kyl/Lieberman and the vote against the Feinstein amendment on cluster bombs - both of which she voted in a way to look tougher -- even though on the cluster bombs EVERY Democrat who served in the military voted for -- including Akaka, Kennedy, Harkin, Reed, and Kerry.

The fact is his D- is the lowest rating any VT legislator got -- and Howard Dean had an A. Howard Dean, incidentally explained that well back in 2003 on one of the Sunday shows -- and like Bernie it relates to the fact that states are different. VT has one of the lowest murder rates in the country ... and almost the least gun laws. Bernie has listed the various things he supports - and he supports all of the things on Obama's list.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
103. I'm a Bernie supporter, but I think you're distorting what's asctuall being said.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:58 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary DOES have more "foreign policy experience" than Bernie, which does give her an advantage of personally knowing most foreign leaders. Even Bernie has responded to the MORE EXPERIENCE comment b saying that SHE DOES HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE IN FOREIGN POLICY BECAUSE SHE WAS Se. of State, but I believe judgment is many times more important than experience.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
106. What ever
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:05 PM
Feb 2016

Knowing someone and getting something done is two different animals altogether. Many questions to be answered when it comes to her getting something done while SoS, the trade offs etc. No Hillary is not a more experienced person on any front, maybe when it comes to getting down and doing dirty politics, maybe.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
121. Experience is not a checkbox, it's a paragraph.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:33 PM
Feb 2016

What someone did while gaining that experience is far more important.

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
4. keeping 29 million Americans from needlessly dying is pixie dust?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:00 PM
Feb 2016


i wonder how you would feel if this was you or someone you cared for

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
5. No, Sanders plan to get Doctors, Hospital corps and Pharma to except half of their current pay is ..
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:01 PM
Feb 2016

.... though

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
18. Naw... facts matter more than what you and I think... there's no pratical plan of Sanders in his
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:27 PM
Feb 2016

... SP outline that MAKES the aforementioned groups except half of what they get paid today to get the cost of his whole plan down.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
59. How you can NOT outline Sanders plan to make the Docs, Pharma and Hospitals pay half is NOT
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:32 PM
Feb 2016

... beyond me.

Cause it aint there...

regards

madokie

(51,076 posts)
68. What the hell are you trying to say
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:39 PM
Feb 2016

are you saying that Sanders plan is going to cut their pay? I don't think that is even in the cards. Pharmaceutical companies yes but doctors no

My brother just had a pretty simple operation on an aneurysm that required an overnight stay and the use of the operating room and the cost from the hospital alone was 96,000 bucks, He hasn't got the bill for the doctor or the anesthesiologist yet. Lot of money can be trimmed from that.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
75. Sanders marketed politics depends on people not looking at any details of why and how something
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:51 PM
Feb 2016

... is supposed to happen that hasn't happened in the last 6 years

madokie

(51,076 posts)
79. Good God all mighty
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:10 PM
Feb 2016

I'm going to have to quit bothering clicking on your posts. jebus crist

Can you imagine the frustration I feel if I use the god or jebus words, being as I'm a non Religious person and all.

can you at least try to sensible?

I'm out of here, bye bye

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
113. You are the one not looking into any details of how and why and then attempting to spread
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:46 AM
Feb 2016

misinformation all over DU about it. You even kept trying to pawn off what was an annual cost as a monthly cost. You either have no clue what you are saying or you are purposely lying about it.

Get real.

.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
127. i'd go with no clue
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:11 PM
Feb 2016

about as nonsensical as the folks claiming sanders' supporters have been brainwashed by 25+ years of rw propaganda

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
114. Yeah, there is NO logic there.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:47 AM
Feb 2016

You should see the merry-go-round I was on with that one a couple nights ago. Hooboy!



.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
112. OMFG... How many damn times did I copy and paste his health care plan for you and STILL
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:40 AM
Feb 2016

you have the gall to continue to lie about it?

Issues
Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind

It has been the goal of Democrats since Franklin D. Roosevelt to create a universal health care system guaranteeing health care to all people. Every other major industrialized nation has done so. It is time for this country to join them and fulfill the legacy of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Lyndon B. Johnson and other great Democrats.

The Affordable Care Act was a critically important step towards the goal of universal health care. Thanks to the ACA, more than 17 million Americans have gained health insurance. Millions of low-income Americans have coverage through expanded eligibility for Medicaid that now exists in 31 states. Young adults can stay on their parents’ health plans until they’re 26. All Americans can benefit from increased protections against lifetime coverage limits and exclusion from coverage because of pre-existing conditions. Bernie was on the U.S. Senate committee that helped write the ACA.

But as we move forward, we must build upon the success of the ACA to achieve the goal of universal health care. Twenty-nine million Americans today still do not have health insurance and millions more are underinsured and cannot afford the high copayments and deductibles charged by private health insurance companies that put profits before people.

The U.S. spends more on health care per person, and as a percentage of gross domestic product, than any other advanced nation in the world, including Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Japan, New Zealand and the United Kingdom. But all that money has not made Americans healthier than the rest of the world. Quite simply, in our high-priced health care system that leaves millions overlooked, we spend more yet end up with less.

Other industrialized nations are making the morally principled and financially responsible decision to provide universal health care to all of their people—and they do so while saving money by keeping people healthier. Those who say this goal is unachievable are selling the American people short.

Americans need a health care system that works for patients and providers. We need to focus our federal investments on training the health care providers. We need to ensure a strong health care workforce in all communities now and in the future. We need to build on the strength of the 50 years of success of the Medicare program. We need a health care system that significantly reduces overhead, administrative costs and complexity. We need a system where all people can get the care they need to maintain and improve their health when they need it regardless of income, age or socioeconomic status. We need a system that works not just for millionaires and billionaires, but for all of us.

Under Bernie’s plan, Americans will benefit from the freedom and security that comes with finally separating health insurance from employment. That freedom would not only help the American people live happier, healthier and more fulfilling lives, but it would also promote innovation and entrepreneurship in every sector of the economy. People would be able to start new businesses, stay home with their children or leave jobs they don’t like knowing that they would still have health care coverage for themselves and their families. Employers could be free to focus on running their business rather than spending countless hours figuring out how to provide health insurance to their employees. Working Americans wouldn’t have to choose between bargaining for higher wages or better health insurance. Parents wouldn’t have to worry about how to provide health insurance to their children. Americans would no longer have to fear losing their health insurance if they lose their job, change employment or go part-time. Seniors and people with serious or chronic illnesses could afford the medications necessary to keep them healthy without worry of financial ruin. Millions of people will no longer have to choose between health care and other necessities like food, heat and shelter, and will have access to services that may have been out of reach, like dental care or long-term care.

Simply put, Bernie’s plan will provide all Americans with the sense of freedom and peace of mind that comes from knowing you always have access to the health care you need.


The Plan

Better Coverage

Bernie’s plan would create a federally administered single-payer health care program. Universal single-payer health care means comprehensive coverage for all Americans. Bernie’s plan will cover the entire continuum of health care, from inpatient to outpatient care; preventive to emergency care; primary care to specialty care, including long-term and palliative care; vision, hearing and oral health care; mental health and substance abuse services; as well as prescription medications, medical equipment, supplies, diagnostics and treatments. Patients will be able to choose a health care provider without worrying about whether that provider is in-network and will be able to get the care they need without having to read any fine print or trying to figure out how they can afford the out-of-pocket costs.

What It Means for Patients

As a patient, all you need to do is go to the doctor and show your insurance card. Bernie’s plan means no more copays, no more deductibles and no more fighting with insurance companies when they fail to pay for charges.
Getting Health Care Spending Under Control

We outspend all other countries on the planet and our medical spending continues to grow faster than the rate of inflation. Creating a single, public insurance system will go a long way towards getting health care spending under control. The United States has thousands of different health insurance plans, all of which set different reimbursement rates across different networks for providers and procedures resulting in high administrative costs. Two patients with the same condition may get very different care depending on where they live, the health insurance they have and what their insurance covers. A patient may pay different amounts for the same prescription depending solely on where the prescription is filled. Health care providers and patients must navigate this complex and bewildering system wasting precious time and resources.

By moving to an integrated system, the government will finally have the ability to stand up to drug companies and negotiate fair prices for the American people collectively. It will also ensure the federal government can track access to various providers and make smart investments to avoid provider shortages and ensure communities can access the providers they need.

Major Savings for Families and Businesses

Bernie’s plan will cost over $6 trillion less than the current health care system over the next ten years.

The United States currently spends $3 trillion on health care each year—nearly $10,000 per person. Reforming our health care system, simplifying our payment structure and incentivizing new ways to make sure patients are actually getting better health care will generate massive savings. This plan has been estimated to save the American people and businesses over $6 trillion over the next decade.

The typical middle class family would save over $5,000 under this plan.

Last year, the average working family paid $4,955 in premiums and $1,318 in deductibles to private health insurance companies. Under this plan, a family of four earning $50,000 would pay just $466 per year to the single-payer program, amounting to a savings of over $5,800 for that family each year.

Businesses would save over $9,400 a year in health care costs for the average employee.

The average annual cost to the employer for a worker with a family who makes $50,000 a year would go from $12,591 to just $3,100.


How Much Will It Cost and How Do We Pay For It?
How Much Will It Cost?

This plan has been estimated to cost $1.38 trillion per year.

The Plan Would Be Fully Paid For By:

A 6.2 percent income-based health care premium paid by employers.
Revenue raised: $630 billion per year.
A 2.2 percent income-based premium paid by households.
Revenue raised: $210 billion per year. This year, a family of four taking the standard deduction can have income up to $28,800 and not pay this tax under this plan.


A family of four making $50,000 a year taking the standard deduction would only pay $466 this year.

Progressive income tax rates.
Revenue raised: $110 billion a year.
Under this plan the marginal income tax rate would be:

37 percent on income between $250,000 and $500,000.
43 percent on income between $500,000 and $2 million.
48 percent on income between $2 million and $10 million. (In 2013, only 113,000 households, the top 0.08 percent of taxpayers, had income between $2 million and $10 million.)
52 percent on income above $10 million. (In 2013, only 13,000 households, just 0.01 percent of taxpayers, had income exceeding $10 million.)


Taxing capital gains and dividends the same as income from work.
Revenue raised: $92 billion per year.
Warren Buffett, the second wealthiest American in the country, has said that he pays a lower effective tax rate than his secretary. The reason is that he receives most of his income from capital gains and dividends, which are taxed at a much lower rate than income from work. This plan will end the special tax break for capital gains and dividends on household income above $250,000.


Limit tax deductions for rich.
Revenue raised: $15 billion per year
Under Bernie’s plan, households making over $250,000 would no longer be able to save more than 28 cents in taxes from every dollar in tax deductions. This limit would replace more complicated and less effective limits on tax breaks for the rich including the AMT, the personal exemption phase-out and the limit on itemized deductions.


The Responsible Estate Tax.
Revenue raised: $21 billion per year.
This provision would tax the estates of the wealthiest 0.3 percent (three-tenths of 1 percent) of Americans who inherit over $3.5 million at progressive rates and close loopholes in the estate tax.


Savings from health tax expenditures.
Revenue raised: $310 billion per year.
Several tax breaks that subsidize health care (health-related “tax expenditures”) would become obsolete and disappear under a single-payer health care system, saving $310 billion per year.

Most importantly, health care provided by employers is compensation that is not subject to payroll taxes or income taxes under current law. This is a significant tax break that would effectively disappear under this plan because all Americans would receive health care through the new single-payer program instead of employer-based health care.

https://berniesanders.com/medicareforall/


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HubertHeaver

(2,522 posts)
32. Spell check wouldn't save you from that blunder.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:46 PM
Feb 2016

The spelling is correct, you used the wrong word. (I think. Maybe you really meant it as written.)

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
11. we build several homes for docs
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:08 PM
Feb 2016

this one young surgeon could make 50-60 grand before lunch, everyday

surgeons could take a cut easily

general practitioners make about 150 grand a year and that is fine

hospitals and pharm need huge cuts

Docreed2003

(16,869 posts)
52. What type of surgeon?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:21 PM
Feb 2016

I'm a general surgeon and I can assure you that I don't make 50k before lunch every day, and I'm a busy surgeon.

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
120. ears,nose and throat
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 01:58 PM
Feb 2016

to be fair just because he grossed that income it was not like he didn't have expenses too

office,insurance, nurses and staff

it is not like i ever figured his net

Docreed2003

(16,869 posts)
125. Yeah ENTs tend to have a higher office overhead...
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:41 PM
Feb 2016

Due to specialized office equipment. I've been doing this a while and I'm still amazed at what the hospital bills for different procedures though, it's incredible.

 

Desktopgrass

(11 posts)
76. We all gotta eat first
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:56 PM
Feb 2016

If i understand this, we all gotta eat before we worry about our health care so grocers, farmers, truck drivers, bagggers, and everyone else who takes money in exchange for getting food to people, should take a pay cut too.

And of course shelter is another thing we seek out before health care. I suppose contractors, construction workers, truck drivers, and real estate agents among others should take a cut.

Finallly, your list of people (surgeons, pharmaceutical companies, and hospitals) seems incomplete. Shouldn't nurses, custodial workers, and trial lawyers also take a pay cut?

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
44. They would still be making a great deal of money, and this would bring a vast amount of relief to
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:09 PM
Feb 2016

the entire nation at the same time.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
63. Gee, I wonder how all those other countries
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:36 PM
Feb 2016

got Universal Health Care (with reduced cost) and Single Payer plans (with reduced cost) to pass?

I guess the US is just special in it's stupidity and greed?

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
90. Yeah, freedom to die if you are poor.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:29 PM
Feb 2016

And watch your kids grow up with no future, especially if you are poor and POC.

I actually like living in a socialist democracy where we have freedom but take responsibility for our village and all it's inhabitants.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
92. OK.....I don't even know where to begin.....
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:33 PM
Feb 2016

Did you actually just equate Socialism with freedom? Oh My !!!

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
94. Democratic socialism has plenty of freedom and capitalism intact
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:37 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie is not a socialist. He's a democratic socialist. If you don't know the difference, you might want to check this out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
109. I'm certain your claims are inaccurate.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 01:25 AM
Feb 2016

But I will reconsider if you can provide a link substantiating what you say about doctors and hospitals.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
115. Post the proof or shut up about what you refuse to learn about.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:58 AM
Feb 2016

You keep going on and on about things that don't exist except in your mind.

So come on... post a link and a quote to the exact part of the plan that says that.



.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
13. I just hope her supporters are willing to sacrifice their children for her next war.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:09 PM
Feb 2016

Cause I'm not sacrificing mine.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
21. I, like most democrats, don't hate Hillary enough to think she's going to start some useless shit
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:30 PM
Feb 2016

... that gets other peoples kids killed.

That sounds like noise, right wing noise... and does not good to progress these conversations

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
28. yeah, ok.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:37 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary Clinton: “If I’m President, We Will Attack Iran”

By Stephen Lendman
Global Research, August 22, 2015
Region: Middle East & North Africa, USA
Theme: Militarization and WMD, US NATO War Agenda
In-depth Report: IRAN: THE NEXT WAR?

“I want the Iranians to know that if I’m president, we will attack Iran. In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”


http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
35. Nice try, but it's no smear.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:49 PM
Feb 2016

All citations and references are provided in the article. Note that the cite I used is not from a right wing site.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
37. It is, in context I support what she says ... if they fuck with us we fuck with them... she didn't
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:51 PM
Feb 2016

... say we'll attack Iran without condition as your post intimates

Dretownblues

(253 posts)
105. Are you really
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:03 PM
Feb 2016

Trying to make the case that voting for the Iraq war is the same thing as voting to fund it?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
10. And she has a plan?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:07 PM
Feb 2016

How do you, Hillary Clinton plan on getting around a digitally gerrymandered GOP congress who detest the Clintons as much if not more than they detest Obama?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
33. That is not an answer to the question. That is not working with congress
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:46 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders is capable of issuing executive orders too. Now, what is her plan to work with a gerrymandered congress. She doesn't have one.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
60. She never said she would... she understands congress an the obstacle they present to progressing
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:33 PM
Feb 2016

... America.

Her opponenets don't

Also, I did post "get around" not work with... work with is your words

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
118. You're right. And a republican congress will never work with her.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:45 AM
Feb 2016

However, I think they will work with Senator Sanders.

none of his Sen­ate col­leagues, on either side of the aisle, think he could ever be elec­ted pres­id­ent of the United States; most of them even be­lieve he shouldn’t be.

But rather than earn­ing the frus­tra­tion and ire of his peers in the vein of oth­er Sen­ate hard-liners such as Sen. Ted Cruz, Sanders has man­aged to be re­spec­ted — even liked — by much of the cham­ber, ac­cord­ing to mem­bers on both sides of the aisle. The Ver­mont in­de­pend­ent ac­tu­ally has much more in com­mon with Sen. Tom Coburn, the now-re­tired “Dr. No,” whose hard-line op­pos­i­tion killed many bills in the Sen­ate but also earned him the re­spect of his col­leagues on both sides of the aisle.

Sanders also has been able to work well with his col­leagues. He’s passed bi­par­tis­an le­gis­la­tion and forged strong re­la­tion­ships with mem­bers of both parties in nearly 25 years on Cap­it­ol Hill. But most of all, mem­bers say, even when Sanders is ideo­lo­gic­ally an out­lier, he lets oth­ers know where he stands. He’s not the type to sud­denly stab a col­league in the back. And that’s earned him re­spect both on and off the Hill

“A lot of people here talk about what they be­lieve in, but they don’t act on it,” Sen. Mark Warner said. “He al­ways acts on what he be­lieves. “¦ We can agree or dis­agree, but you know where he stands.”

Law­makers on both sides of the aisle, in­clud­ing Sanders him­self, point to last year’s deal to im­prove the dis­astrous, scan­dal-rid­den Vet­er­ans Af­fairs De­part­ment as a high­light. After weeks of ne­go­ti­at­ing with a cadre of Re­pub­lic­an col­leagues, Sanders helped pass the deal on a 91-3 vote in the Sen­ate. “In a pretty dys­func­tion­al Con­gress I helped pass, in a bi­par­tis­an way, the sig­ni­fic­ant vet­er­ans bill, which in­creases health care to vet­er­ans and lowers wait­ing times, and I’m proud of that,” Sanders said. “That was a sig­ni­fic­ant step for­ward.”


http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/71225/bernie-sanders-is-loud-stubborn-socialist-republicans-like-him-anyway

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
23. Yeap, revolution (with asterisks) is pixie dust... he's not outlined how he's going to get
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:32 PM
Feb 2016

... past a digatilly gerrymandered congress other than coattails which...

wont work

on a digitally gerrymandered congress

pixie dust

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
19. So we just keep 2x as much for far worse outcomes than other developed countries forever?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:28 PM
Feb 2016

And everywhere else in the developed world people can manage a system that we can't? So the more than half the people in the US who poll as supporting single-payer are just stupid?

Honest to goddess, the talking points out of the HRC camp on this are just unbelievable.

A shill for the vampire health insurance industry couldn't do better.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
24. No, work with what we got slowly but surly and do not "bern" what we do have to the ground
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:33 PM
Feb 2016

... for the sake of anger and fight

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
61. So you think Hillary can work with the Republicans to modify a bill that they have tried
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:34 PM
Feb 2016

to repeal multiple times?

Bernie wants to replace the ACA with something else which already is a plus for working with the Republicans and the replacement will save the country and the people a lot of money something Republicans say every day they want to accomplish.

Tell me again who has a better chance of accomplishing their goal?

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
62. No, she's outlined how she'll work around them.. she understands the gerrymandereing I wish
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:35 PM
Feb 2016

... her opponents did

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
116. Perhaps she could advise President Obama on how to bypass Congress and
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:34 AM
Feb 2016

get the problems with the ACA fixed.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
36. Nowhere else in the developed world is managing a system like Sanders wants
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:49 PM
Feb 2016

Most of it is managing something similar to Obamacare.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
42. and the ones managing anything CLOSE to the Sanders systems morally puts caps on what
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:57 PM
Feb 2016

... Docs, Corps and Pharma can make... Sanders wants to ask these groups to take half their pay

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
49. I know of two that are similar to the Sanders system
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:15 PM
Feb 2016

The UK system requires doctors who are in it to be employed by the government - and it also allows a parallel private healthcare system that Sanders' plan forbids. It also has copays.

The Canadian system has deductibles and doesn't pay for pharmaceuticals, vision care or dental care. It also rations the hell out of expensive procedures. Canadians who can afford to, often come to US hospitals for care.

There isn't a health plan, whether in the public or private sector, that pays for everything...but that's what Bernie wants.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
43. The inevitable one just barely squeaked by
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:06 PM
Feb 2016

The pixie dust guy. I would be questioning her viablility, if i was a supporter.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
65. We'll see... the very people Sanders revolution is supposed to be for leans towards Hillary
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:36 PM
Feb 2016

... in most if not every poll.

Sanders is strong with IA like voters...

Sanders has 3 weeks to gain ground with the Hillary Alliance

George II

(67,782 posts)
67. Exactly. I believe for the most part what Clinton says when she's discussing "experience".....
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:38 PM
Feb 2016

.....is that she has BETTER experience, not more experience. In the last 25 years she's seen it from all aspects of government - from inside the White House, 8 years as a Senator, and then 4 years as SOS.

No one can dispute that.

Sanders' experience, about the same length of time, has been one-dimensional from a tiny (population-wise) state, and he's even admitted that he's looked at his legislative career in the eyes of his constituency, which is all of 600,000.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
71. +1, They are marginalizing her experience at the cost of the very people Sanders says he's leading..
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:41 PM
Feb 2016

... revolution for.

The poor, blacks, Hispanics, gays and women all lean heavy towards Clinton...

SC could be a wake up for everyone

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
81. NO WE CAN'T! NO WE CAN'T! NO WE CAN'T!
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:16 PM
Feb 2016

no wonder the Democratic party can't get their voters to the polls.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
83. That's a good chant for Sanders camp while HRC has outlined HOW SHE WILL!!! lol...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:18 PM
Feb 2016

... love yaw like play cousins but Sanders is going to get his ass kicked in SC

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
15. I would like to streamline the question to:
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:14 PM
Feb 2016

What do you think is more important for being
the POTUS experience or good sound judgement?

murielm99

(30,754 posts)
97. If we had moderators AT ALL, this place
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:40 PM
Feb 2016

would not be overrun with rude Bernie supporters. They would not be alert-stalking and running people off for daring to choose another candidate.

To answer some of the question posed in the OP: Many governors have become Presidents. Even if they lack experience at the Federal level, they have succeeded as administrators. Sometimes even those from small states have handled thorny problems successfully.

I did not support him, but O'Malley was one of those. Ask his supporters, and the people from his state.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
17. Question I wish she would be asked: You have repeatedly stated that no information marked classified
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:24 PM
Feb 2016

Was sent or rcvd by you. You always specify "marked classified". Was there any material which was classified at the time it was emailed, but was NOT marked as classified?

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
27. Bill Clinton had experience running a state. That is not less experience than Sanders had.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:36 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders has more experience than Bill as a legislator, but he's running for the position of an administrator, not a legislator.

Sanders has never had to put a budget together, which is obvious from his health care plan -- which said there would be more annual savings in drug costs than the all the actual costs from 2014. Someone who knew anything about budgets would have known that couldn't be true.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
46. I almost always provide citations but I thought that was common knowledge.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:11 PM
Feb 2016

Being a Governor gives you experience running a state, and handling a large budget.

And if you haven't heard about the widely reported goof-up with drug costs, here it is again:

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/28/10858644/bernie-sanders-kenneth-thorpe-single-payer

Sanders assumes $324 billion more per year in prescription drug savings than Thorpe does. Thorpe argues that this is wildly implausible. "In 2014 private health plans paid a TOTAL of $132 billion on prescription drugs and nationally we spent $305 billion," he writes in an email. "With their savings drug spending nationally would be negative." (Emphasis mine.) The Sanders camp revised the number down to $241 billion when I pointed this out.

Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)
48. We've see Thorpe article a dozen times
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:15 PM
Feb 2016

There are also many other analyses that disagree with Thorpe. I have written about Thorpe and why I don't value his opinion.

No I'm not going to link them all again. Perhaps you can search for them if you want.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
51. This article discusses Thorpe and the criticism of Thorpe, AND includes
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:18 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie's campaign's response, which was to withdraw their incorrect number.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
53. Well thanks for the link as now I can see you only presented half the fact.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:22 PM
Feb 2016

Now I understand why you do what you do- or should I say what you don't do? Now where is the article stating that Sander's has never had to deal with budgets?

Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)
41. Ah executive experience like this
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:56 PM
Feb 2016

8 years as Mayor of Burlington where he had many accomplishments. http://www.thenation.com/article/bernies-burlington-city-sustainable-future/

I'm sorry he wasn't a Governor of Arkasas. But mayor, congressman and senator is pretty good in my book.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
58. Running a city of about 40,000 isn't much preparation for being President.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:28 PM
Feb 2016

But I guess it's more administrative experience than Sarah Palin had.

So there's that.

Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)
64. I get it now. You have to have the exact experience that your examples have
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:36 PM
Feb 2016

Thanks for clearing that up.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
69. No. I was disagreeing with your statement in the OP.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:39 PM
Feb 2016
So why do you think that Sen Sanders, who has more experienced than either Pres. Obama or Bill Clinton when they were running, wouldnt be capable of being as good a President as those you admire?


Sanders is not more experienced than Bill Clinton. He has different experience but not MORE.

And he has nothing equivalent by any stretch of the imagination to Hillary's as Secretary of State.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
74. It all depends on the city. In some the city council makes most of the decisions.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:46 PM
Feb 2016

But I know Burlington had a population of about 40K, and Arkansas in the millions.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
47. Can we also ask her a few questions concerning her and Bill's ethics in the way they've used
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:14 PM
Feb 2016

the Clinton foundation?

PWPippin

(213 posts)
70. Hillary seems unable to itemize her own accomplishments
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:40 PM
Feb 2016

that make her a good candidate for President. As noted in an Atlantic article in September 2015, she instead touts her track record - the mileage she's covered, not her achievements.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
72. I want to know if she will support and sign the CARERS act.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:42 PM
Feb 2016

In that vein i also would like her publicly to repudiate Debbie Wasserman Schultz's doubling down on putting cannabis users in prison.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
78. Please submit your question to whoever is selecting questions for the next debate.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:10 PM
Feb 2016

It is an excellent question.

Hillary is more experienced than Obama was, but does not have Bernie's many years of experience both as a mayor in an executive role and has a member of first the House and then the Senate.

It takes some nerve for Hillary to claim to have so much experience when Bernie has so, so, so much more than she does.

Obama did not have anywhere near enough experience. That has been a problem for him. We probably don't know the half of the things that he would have accomplished had he been more savvy about how D.C. works and had he had more executive experience.

Bernie is the one who will know how to get things done.

No other candidate can match Bernie in this respect.

onecaliberal

(32,882 posts)
101. Why did Davos say that even though you came out against TPP now while running for POTUS
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:57 PM
Feb 2016

but will approve it if you are actually elected? Why are you afraid of telling the truth to the American people?

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
107. I would like someone to ask her if she will pledge to not 'devolve' on her newly-found Progressive
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:07 PM
Feb 2016

positions...( TPP, Keystone etc.)

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
111. Good question I would ask this:
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:43 AM
Feb 2016

You claim to be in favor of reversing the Citizen's United ruling, and cleaning up campaign financing. This is one of your opponent's main issues, an opponent who has himself refused to accept corporate money in his presidential campaign.

Why have you, in the Democratic primary, against an opponent who has sworn off corporate money, accept corporate money and use it against your clean-money opponent? And how can you simultaneuosly say you'll work to get corporate money out of our elections?

There's probably a better way to phrase it, but there's a serious and important question in there somewhere, one that anyone giving her their vote deserves an answer to.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
122. Not to mention that Bill was a governor with NO foreign policy experience.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:37 PM
Feb 2016

Not okay for Bernie, but totally ok for Bill?
Got it.

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