The bottom line regarding Iowa: Hillary blew a 30 point lead in just four* months.

[reformist2]

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If her followers wish to insist that her 0.2% precinct plurality constitutes a "win", and that nothing is wrong with the H.M.S. Hillarytanic, they do so at their peril.

I can't decide if the reason her support is sinking so fast is 1) how great Bernie's ideas are, or 2) how terrible a candidate Hillary is. Probably a bit of both.

*the number of months her support has been sliding is up for debate.

[virtualobserver]

1. and she went from a lead in NH to 30 points down

all downhill for Hillary.....she is dropping in SC too.

[mhatrw]

54. Time for all the rats to jump her sinking ship!

Rubio life jackets FTW!

[Logical]

2. She is great at losing huge leads. nt

[peacebird]

3. "She blew a 30 point lead" and millions of dollars just for what is basically a tie in Iowa.

23 delegates v 21 delegates.

[awake]

6. Ohio? you mean Iowa

[peacebird]

9. Yes, sorry. Fixing now. Thanks!

[awake]

15. No problem thats what friends are for

[reformist2]

16. Speaking of Ohio, one poll has Bernie only 5 points behind Hillary!

Clinton Leads Sanders in Ohio by 5 Points – 51-46%

Posted on January 29, 2016


http://overtimepolitics.com/clinton-leads-sanders-in-ohio-by-5-points-51-46/

[awake]

19. Wow the tide has already turned

[roguevalley]

38. he's 14 ahead in alaska

[ejbr]

7. Iowa n/t

[peacebird]

12. Fixed, thanks!

[ejbr]

14. You're welcome

[DanTex]

4. The bottom line is that Hillary won. But it's encouraging to see Bernie fans celebrating his loss.

He's gonna have plenty more losses for them to celebrate.

[CSStrowbridge]

28. 29 delegates to 21

29 delegates to 21. That's a win.

Additionally, Bernie Sanders supporters have been acting like he would win by 8 or nine points.

[Tommymac]

50. It's wrong to add the Super Delegates to the count at this time.

If Bernie wins more elected Delegates through actual voting/caucusing of The People, the appointed Supers will follow or risk destroying the Democratic Party.

[TryLogic]

31. Have you seen the video of Bernies' side winning a coin toss even though the report was that

six out of six coin tosses went for Hillary? I think the bottom line is that Hillary's team lies.

[Wibly]

44. Silly response

And just the sort of arrogance which will likely bury Clinton.
Hillary went from about 75 percent support, to not quite 50 percent.
Sanders went from nine percent when he stepped in, to nearly 50 percent.
Do you understand the momentum?

[DanTex]

46. Yeah, Bernie's numbers went up since he started campaigning. Huge shock.

Not quite enough though. Even in a state full of white liberals, still lost.

[Metric System]

5. It's easy to have a huge lead when nobody knows your opponents and there hasn't been much

campaigning. All of that changed in the last few months as Iowans began to pay more attention, the candidates campaigned all over the state, debated and aired ads.

[cyberswede]

8. She campaigned, too. And still lost a ton of support.

It will be interesting to see if Sanders' numbers go up elsewhere as he campaigns, debates, and airs ads.

[Metric System]

10. The only people who talked about a Hillary coronation on DU were Bernie supporters.

[cyberswede]

11. Huh? Did you intend to reply to me?

I made no mention of a coronation in this thread...

[SwampG8r]

41. Give em a minute

Its hard to keep talking points straight when youre spinning that fast

[Wibly]

45. Horse poo

Clinton has been the presumed nominee for a couple years now. Every media outlet in the country was saying it right up until recently, not just Sanders' supporters.

[Jarqui]

13. That's the thing though, his numbers are still rising

After his result and speech last night (which many felt blew away Hillary), more folks are going to pay attention. So will the media. And his snowball of momentum gets bigger.

Do it hit a wall when he gets to minorities in the upcoming states?

Based on his policies and history, I doubt it. But that's what we're about to find out.

[peacebird]

17. bernie has raised over a million dollars since LAST NIGHT!!!

[reformist2]

18. First they said Bernie's ceiling would be 30%. Then 40%. Now it's 49.6% apparently...

[virtualobserver]

22. That is always a danger for Hillary, when voters start to pay attention

She is dropping everywhere.

[Perogie]

26. so people were only....

polling for her until something better came along.....lol

[roguevalley]

42. yes. great isn't it?

[book_worm]

20. Actually some of the better pollsters as far back as August showed

a close race shaping up in Iowa. For instance the blue standard Des Moines Register had Hillary up by only 7 points in an August poll. Quinnipiac, a favorite pollster of Bernie supporters had Bernie up by 1 in roughly the same time period and CBS had Bernie up by 10 in an early September poll.

[reformist2]

21. Ok, maybe it's more accurate to say Hillary's support has been eroding steadily for many months?

Instead of the Titanic analogy, maybe her campaign is more like a giant sandcastle, slowly getting washed away by the incoming tide...

[TwilightGardener]

24. Why do you think she lost so much support?

[Gene Debs]

36. People got a better look at who she is.

[jalan48]

23. She has to come up with a "New and Improved" Hillary before the next debate.

[forest444]

30. That's going to take some doing.

Upscale hairdressers everywhere must sending in their résumés.

[LibDemAlways]

34. Look for her to start sounding more like Bernie. More

emphasis on income inequality, "affordable" health care, middle class in a world of hurt, peaceful solutions to conflict, etc., and no more "never evers." And it might be a good idea for her to take these ideas seriously since they seem to have struck a chord.

What her tone deaf advisors might consider is that should she become the nominee she's going to have to somehow persuade Bernie's progressive army that she's worth voting for. With her ties to Wall Street and baby steps in terms of change, she's not an easy sell.

[Gene Debs]

37. The only thing she'll modify is her rhetoric. She's a wholly owned subsidiary of

Wall Street to the core and always will be. If she ends up being the nominee, I'm sure as hell not gonna vote for her.*




*cue pro-Hillary poster replying with "You obviously want President Trump/Cruz/Rubio etc" in 3...2...1...

[MisterP]

49. I dunno, they played the "racist mansplaining Commie" card pretty hard

[Cassiopeia]

51. She's been doing that all day.

I watched part of a noon time speech by here and it was all about the economics of the lower classes. No mention that she only wants to start negotiations at $12/hr, but it was there.

She's lurching back to the left temporarily.

[WillyT]

25. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[Warren DeMontague]

27. What is funny is all the energy going into trying to spin away the obvious

Namely, that last night was a bit of a clusterfuck for the Clinton campaign.

I mean, the Clintons themselves knew it- you could read it on their faces.

I'm not sure who these folks think they're convincing. No one is buying the act.

[orpupilofnature57]

29. And all the MSM , $$$$$ and blindfaith can't wash that away, oh ya, The Republicans did it !

[anamnua]

32. The fact remains that

Hillary won a state she lost in 2008 and her husband lost in 1992. How can that be spun as anything other than a victory? Winston Churchill said: 'A majority of one is enough'. She got that hundreds of times over.

[RobertEarl]

53. Yeah, victory

Sanders says: “Nine months ago, we came to this beautiful state. We had no political organization, we had no money, we had no name recognition, and we were taking on the most powerful political organization in the United States of America. And tonight, while the results are still not known, it looks like we are in a virtual tie.”

That history explains why Sanders emerged as the big winner of the night on the Democratic side.

Coming out of Iowa’s near-tie last night, his campaign looks stronger than ever. An uncompromising democratic socialist climbed up from single-digit Iowa poll numbers a year ago against one of the most powerful politicians in America to a draw. Even as strong a member of the media establishment as CNN’s Wolf Blitzer couldn’t call it any other way as the returns rolled in last night: “Even if he comes in slightly, slightly second, this is a huge win for Bernie Sanders.”

[DrDan]

33. no - the bottom line, as hard as it is for you to admit it, is that Hillary won

simple . . .

[SoapBox]

48. Well at least after New Hampshire, she'll be behind...

I can hardly wait for the those explanations.

[DrDan]

55. expect congratulations from me should he win as expected

[Not Sure]

35. Very well stated

I've seen some of the same threads where the usual suspects have trumpeted Hillary's decisive and triumphant victory over Bernie. I'll acknowledge that a 0.2% margin is in fact a victory, but worthy of the "in your face!" threads? Umm, no.

[Gene Debs]

39. That's how you know which Clinton supporters are adults and which ones are children.

[dorkzilla]

40. Very sad indeed

If it weren't so fucking laughable.

[Don Draper]

43. If Hillary gets the nomination, we stand a great chance of losing the GE

Most people find the prospect of voting for Hillary to be about as appealing as drinking a garlic milkshake. Polls show Bernie beating all of the republican candidates in hypothetical races. The American people (especially the millennials) are not inspired to vote for a woman who is a water girl for Wall Street. Bernie Sanders is our best chance at defeating the rethuglicans and lead our nation to a better future

[noiretextatique]

56. +1000 i've always thought she would lose the GE

And I still do. Democrats should have groomed a better candidate.

[SoapBox]

47. Bing, Bing, Bing...we have a Winner!

You are spot on!

Thank you for saying it.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

52. My friends ask me why I'm so calm and I keep saying there's plenty of time left for Hillary,...

....to self-destruct.