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I'm no longer for the fringe candidate. (Original Post) stage left Feb 2016 OP
Woohoo. azmom Feb 2016 #1
Nice. n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #2
Mic drop GatesofPunk Feb 2016 #3
Someone needs to make the Bernie hair meme with the words silvershadow Feb 2016 #4
Here you go: Bryce Butler Feb 2016 #34
Thanks! nt silvershadow Feb 2016 #42
Well, actually ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #5
. . . . hifiguy Feb 2016 #10
hifiguy, please consider deleting the turd. saidsimplesimon Feb 2016 #41
Yes we can insure bigger and bigger profits for Goldman-Sachs. Squash the min wage. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #25
that is hilariously pathetic. pitiful. after she said no, we can't. hilarious. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #36
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #6
You got me on that one. Paka Feb 2016 #7
well played. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #8
Kickety rec! hifiguy Feb 2016 #9
I fell for it, at first glance. Duval Feb 2016 #11
Bernie!! AzDar Feb 2016 #12
I thought that was where you were going with that! blackspade Feb 2016 #13
Exactly! mountain grammy Feb 2016 #14
Who's further to the left than Bernie Sanders? JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #15
Entire countries are to the left of Sanders TBF Feb 2016 #16
agreed. stage left Feb 2016 #18
You're right, entire countries are the the left of Bernie JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #23
America more moderate than Sweden? Bad Dog Feb 2016 #32
Where in the OP was that said? TBF Feb 2016 #33
Thank you, TBF stage left Feb 2016 #40
I'm an old liberal. stage left Feb 2016 #17
Agreed, the so-called "center" is republicanville. farleftlib Feb 2016 #20
Bernie Sanders stands in the same part of the party's tradidion hifiguy Feb 2016 #19
I know all those wild and crazy guys stage left Feb 2016 #37
With respect you're way off the mark here. The logic that is seems some are using is that Sanders rhett o rick Feb 2016 #24
I see your point. JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #28
I think the problem is that "far left" is just perjoritive for left. Some people that are central rhett o rick Feb 2016 #45
You seem to be operating under some weird false premise someone HAS to to his left ... Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2016 #29
There is no one in politics further left than Bernie Sanders. JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #30
Well done...very nice. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #21
Yes, but LWolf Feb 2016 #22
The graphic still works as it's mocking the claim that he is fringe. He is fringe to the RW and rhett o rick Feb 2016 #26
agreed. stage left Feb 2016 #39
I like it, too. stage left Feb 2016 #38
Truly the popular candidate Babel_17 Feb 2016 #27
After CNN tried their damnedest to bury Bernie's campaign in Iowa, and failed miserably 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #35
K & R! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #43
Nice one! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #44

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
41. hifiguy, please consider deleting the turd.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016

That is an insult I save for the republican opposition.

I wish to thank Mrs. Clinton for her service. She is a woman I admire even when I disagree.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
25. Yes we can insure bigger and bigger profits for Goldman-Sachs. Squash the min wage.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:58 PM
Feb 2016

Yes we can invade, invade, invade. God Bless the MIC.

The Clintons have amassed a huge wealth that some say puts them in the 0.1%, or in other words they are in the top 1% of the top 1%. While some of us fight to make ends meet, they are living as the new American Aristocracy.

But some worship the Wealthy. Sadly even some calling themselves Democrats.

JohnnyRingo

(18,889 posts)
15. Who's further to the left than Bernie Sanders?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 07:46 PM
Feb 2016

If he's no longer on the fringes of the party then there must be others who occupy that space to his left.

Perhaps you may mean to say he's strongly energizing certain demographics, which is true, but I doubt he's moved into the mainstream of the political spectrum. Does avid support from young liberals make him more electable to the entire nation? I don't know, but we'll see as the rest of the primaries play out.

If Clinton doesn't pan out, I certainly hope Sanders can sell himself to a moderate America. Maybe he can move toward the middle once he gets the nom.

TBF

(32,538 posts)
16. Entire countries are to the left of Sanders
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:04 PM
Feb 2016

he is a democratic socialist - that is a capitalist by definition. Perhaps a kinder, softer capitalism (should such a thing exist) but a capitalist none the less. "Moderate America" wants all the things Bernie wants - raise wages, tax corporations, fund public entities like schools, make health care affordable, etc. If you can find an actual socialist or communist running for president in this country please let me know. I'd be thrilled to caucus for that candidate.

JohnnyRingo

(18,889 posts)
23. You're right, entire countries are the the left of Bernie
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:35 PM
Feb 2016

Unfortunately, Sanders isn't running for the Swedish Prime Ministry. He has to capture the hearts and minds of a much more moderate voting population here.

I misunderstood the OP. I thought they said Bernie is no longer on the fringes of the American Democratic Party. If there's someone to the left of Bernie in govt, now that he's gone mainstream, I'd like to know who that is.

Just saying that the majority agrees with Sanders doesn't tell the entire story. If you ask someone if we should help the poor, they overwhelmingly agree, but if you suggest social programs, they decry handout. If you poll people on too big to fail bailouts, they demand reform... until they sense big govt regulations, then they recoil in mock horror of a government gone wild. People only want wage raises when it's in their own paychecks. Sean Hannity isn't going away just because the left likes Bernie.

As I said, he can always move to the center to gain votes if he gets the nod, but how will that settle with his supporters?

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
32. America more moderate than Sweden?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:41 AM
Feb 2016

You're having a laugh. There are lots of words to describe an electorate that sent George W Bush to the Whitehouse, (twice!), moderate is not one of them.

TBF

(32,538 posts)
33. Where in the OP was that said?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:20 AM
Feb 2016

All the OP said is that if you're getting just as many votes as the front runner you are no longer an anomoly (a "fringe" candidate). It didn't say anything about the party itself.

We can talk about the party itself if you'd like to, but that would be off topic.

stage left

(2,986 posts)
17. I'm an old liberal.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:09 PM
Feb 2016

And the "middle" is now so far right, in my opinion, that I hope he won't move there. But, you're right. We'll see.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
20. Agreed, the so-called "center" is republicanville.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:20 PM
Feb 2016

I'm a baby boomer and my positions haven't changed in 35 years and I used to be the norm. Now I'm considered the far left fringe. I didn't change but the party did.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
19. Bernie Sanders stands in the same part of the party's tradidion
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:16 PM
Feb 2016

as outliers like Hubert Humphrey, Jack, Bob and Ted Kennedy, Franklin Roosevelt, Paul Wellstone, Harry Truman and (on domestic policy) Lyndon B. Johnson.

The mainstream of what the real Democratic Party used to be.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
24. With respect you're way off the mark here. The logic that is seems some are using is that Sanders
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:50 PM
Feb 2016

is so far to the left of Clinton that he must be fringe. He isn't farther to the left than a lot of people like Sen Warren.

Instead of fixating on left of who, look at his stands on issues. They are right on target with Democratic Principles. Wanting health care for all Americans, safety nets for the unemployed, a living min wage, protections for our environment, fair trade agreements, jobs, jobs, jobs, and affordable education for our children, etc. is not fringe.

Tell me what he wants that is fringe?

JohnnyRingo

(18,889 posts)
28. I see your point.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:32 AM
Feb 2016

But after months and months of people claiming Sanders to be the one true liberal candidate, I'm now to understand that he's gone mainstream without changing a thing. That he's a liberal is OK with me, but I stand to the left of the average voter. Moving the goalposts doesn't make Bernie a moderate nor does it land me and Hillary Clinton in the Tea Party. I believe you're trying to say that there is no far left anymore, only moderate, right, and far right, because I see no one in politics to Bernie's left.

People can say that being a liberal is a plus in the general election all they want, but remember that the name had to changed to progressive to avoid negative political blowback. Socialist is a whole new level for the right wing slime machine. Let's hope he didn't say it too much in public because people like Hannity and Levin will devote two hours a day comparing him to history's worst dictators.

Sanders has avoided that trial by fire so far because the right is handily using him as a foil to destroy the one person they see as standing between them and a return to the White House, and the far left is joining them in the fray. Unfortunately.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
45. I think the problem is that "far left" is just perjoritive for left. Some people that are central
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:08 PM
Feb 2016

like to think of themselves as Left and therefore anyone to the left is far left. I have never gotten anyone to explain the difference between far left and left. To me Sen Sanders and Sen Warren represent the left, progressive wing while Clinton represents the conservative wing of the party, with many, many issues that agree with the Republicons.

I would call those that advocate violence to promote left causes are extremists.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,451 posts)
29. You seem to be operating under some weird false premise someone HAS to to his left ...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:37 AM
Feb 2016

... for him not to be fringe.

He's in the center and HRC is center right.

JohnnyRingo

(18,889 posts)
30. There is no one in politics further left than Bernie Sanders.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:50 AM
Feb 2016

That's alright with me, because I'm to the left of the average voter, but most people reel from the term liberal so much it had to be changed to progressive to avoid political recoil. Moving the goalposts now to place Sanders in the middle of the playing field doesn't make him a moderate, nor does it land me and Hillary Clinton in the Tea Party.

I've heard for months and months here that Bernie Sanders is the only true liberal candidate and he'll have to own it now, for better or worse. And that takes us back to the crux of the OP.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
26. The graphic still works as it's mocking the claim that he is fringe. He is fringe to the RW and
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:05 PM
Feb 2016

even the Conservative Democrats.

stage left

(2,986 posts)
39. agreed.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:15 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders never was on the fringe in my opinion. Calling him that was a way of marginalizing him and his campaign. Embracing the term is like embracing the term liberal, taking it back from the people who have tried to make it a dirty word.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
31. After CNN tried their damnedest to bury Bernie's campaign in Iowa, and failed miserably
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:48 AM
Feb 2016

i was pleased that Cooper treated Bernie with the respect he richly deserves at tonight's
CNN forum. . Like night & day, the difference between the two events.

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