Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:47 PM

I'm no longer for the fringe candidate.

Because after Iowa you can't call him that.

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I'm no longer for the fringe candidate. (Original post)	stage left	Feb 2016	OP
Woohoo.	azmom	Feb 2016	#1
Nice. n/t.	Ken Burch	Feb 2016	#2
Mic drop	GatesofPunk	Feb 2016	#3
Someone needs to make the Bernie hair meme with the words	silvershadow	Feb 2016	#4
Here you go:	Bryce Butler	Feb 2016	#34
Thanks! nt	silvershadow	Feb 2016	#42
Well, actually ...	NurseJackie	Feb 2016	#5
. . . .	hifiguy	Feb 2016	#10
hifiguy, please consider deleting the turd.	saidsimplesimon	Feb 2016	#41
Yes we can insure bigger and bigger profits for Goldman-Sachs. Squash the min wage.	rhett o rick	Feb 2016	#25
that is hilariously pathetic. pitiful. after she said no, we can't. hilarious.	Hiraeth	Feb 2016	#36
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!	WillyT	Feb 2016	#6
You got me on that one.	Paka	Feb 2016	#7
well played. nt	restorefreedom	Feb 2016	#8
Kickety rec!	hifiguy	Feb 2016	#9
I fell for it, at first glance.	Duval	Feb 2016	#11
Bernie!!	AzDar	Feb 2016	#12
I thought that was where you were going with that!	blackspade	Feb 2016	#13
Exactly!	mountain grammy	Feb 2016	#14
Who's further to the left than Bernie Sanders?	JohnnyRingo	Feb 2016	#15
Entire countries are to the left of Sanders	TBF	Feb 2016	#16
agreed.	stage left	Feb 2016	#18
You're right, entire countries are the the left of Bernie	JohnnyRingo	Feb 2016	#23
America more moderate than Sweden?	Bad Dog	Feb 2016	#32
Where in the OP was that said?	TBF	Feb 2016	#33
Thank you, TBF	stage left	Feb 2016	#40
I'm an old liberal.	stage left	Feb 2016	#17
Agreed, the so-called "center" is republicanville.	farleftlib	Feb 2016	#20
Bernie Sanders stands in the same part of the party's tradidion	hifiguy	Feb 2016	#19
I know all those wild and crazy guys	stage left	Feb 2016	#37
With respect you're way off the mark here. The logic that is seems some are using is that Sanders	rhett o rick	Feb 2016	#24
I see your point.	JohnnyRingo	Feb 2016	#28
I think the problem is that "far left" is just perjoritive for left. Some people that are central	rhett o rick	Feb 2016	#45
You seem to be operating under some weird false premise someone HAS to to his left ...	Hassin Bin Sober	Feb 2016	#29
There is no one in politics further left than Bernie Sanders.	JohnnyRingo	Feb 2016	#30
Well done...very nice. n/t	Jefferson23	Feb 2016	#21
Yes, but	LWolf	Feb 2016	#22
The graphic still works as it's mocking the claim that he is fringe. He is fringe to the RW and	rhett o rick	Feb 2016	#26
agreed.	stage left	Feb 2016	#39
I like it, too.	stage left	Feb 2016	#38
Truly the popular candidate	Babel_17	Feb 2016	#27
After CNN tried their damnedest to bury Bernie's campaign in Iowa, and failed miserably	99th_Monkey	Feb 2016	#31
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Feb 2016	#35
K & R!	TIME TO PANIC	Feb 2016	#43
Nice one!	SammyWinstonJack	Feb 2016	#44

Response to stage left (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:48 PM

azmom (5,208 posts)

1. Woohoo.

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Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:49 PM

Ken Burch (50,254 posts)

2. Nice. n/t.

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Response to stage left (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:54 PM

GatesofPunk (61 posts)

3. Mic drop

*walks off stage*

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Response to stage left (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:47 PM

silvershadow (10,336 posts)

4. Someone needs to make the Bernie hair meme with the words

I am for the front-runner.

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:58 AM

Bryce Butler (338 posts)

34. Here you go:

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Response to Bryce Butler (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:15 PM

silvershadow (10,336 posts)

42. Thanks! nt

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Response to stage left (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:01 PM

NurseJackie (42,862 posts)

5. Well, actually ...

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:53 PM

hifiguy (33,688 posts)

10. . . . .

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:08 PM

saidsimplesimon (7,888 posts)

41. hifiguy, please consider deleting the turd.

That is an insult I save for the republican opposition.

I wish to thank Mrs. Clinton for her service. She is a woman I admire even when I disagree.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:58 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

25. Yes we can insure bigger and bigger profits for Goldman-Sachs. Squash the min wage.

Yes we can invade, invade, invade. God Bless the MIC.

The Clintons have amassed a huge wealth that some say puts them in the 0.1%, or in other words they are in the top 1% of the top 1%. While some of us fight to make ends meet, they are living as the new American Aristocracy.

But some worship the Wealthy. Sadly even some calling themselves Democrats.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:07 AM

Hiraeth (4,805 posts)

36. that is hilariously pathetic. pitiful. after she said no, we can't. hilarious.

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Response to stage left (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:04 PM

WillyT (72,631 posts)

6. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

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Response to stage left (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:41 PM

Paka (2,760 posts)

7. You got me on that one.

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Response to stage left (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:42 PM

restorefreedom (12,655 posts)

8. well played. nt

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Response to stage left (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:52 PM

hifiguy (33,688 posts)

9. Kickety rec!

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Response to stage left (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 07:10 PM

Duval (4,280 posts)

11. I fell for it, at first glance.

And I thought," Say What???"

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Response to stage left (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 07:19 PM

AzDar (14,023 posts)

12. Bernie!!

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Response to stage left (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 07:29 PM

blackspade (10,056 posts)

13. I thought that was where you were going with that!

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Response to stage left (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 07:44 PM

mountain grammy (26,040 posts)

14. Exactly!

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Response to stage left (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 07:46 PM

JohnnyRingo (18,076 posts)

15. Who's further to the left than Bernie Sanders?

If he's no longer on the fringes of the party then there must be others who occupy that space to his left.

Perhaps you may mean to say he's strongly energizing certain demographics, which is true, but I doubt he's moved into the mainstream of the political spectrum. Does avid support from young liberals make him more electable to the entire nation? I don't know, but we'll see as the rest of the primaries play out.

If Clinton doesn't pan out, I certainly hope Sanders can sell himself to a moderate America. Maybe he can move toward the middle once he gets the nom.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:04 PM

TBF (31,869 posts)

16. Entire countries are to the left of Sanders

he is a democratic socialist - that is a capitalist by definition. Perhaps a kinder, softer capitalism (should such a thing exist) but a capitalist none the less. "Moderate America" wants all the things Bernie wants - raise wages, tax corporations, fund public entities like schools, make health care affordable, etc. If you can find an actual socialist or communist running for president in this country please let me know. I'd be thrilled to caucus for that candidate.

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Response to TBF (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:13 PM

stage left (2,759 posts)

18. agreed.

"entire countries are to the left of Sanders."

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Response to TBF (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:35 PM

JohnnyRingo (18,076 posts)

23. You're right, entire countries are the the left of Bernie

Unfortunately, Sanders isn't running for the Swedish Prime Ministry. He has to capture the hearts and minds of a much more moderate voting population here.

I misunderstood the OP. I thought they said Bernie is no longer on the fringes of the American Democratic Party. If there's someone to the left of Bernie in govt, now that he's gone mainstream, I'd like to know who that is.

Just saying that the majority agrees with Sanders doesn't tell the entire story. If you ask someone if we should help the poor, they overwhelmingly agree, but if you suggest social programs, they decry handout. If you poll people on too big to fail bailouts, they demand reform... until they sense big govt regulations, then they recoil in mock horror of a government gone wild. People only want wage raises when it's in their own paychecks. Sean Hannity isn't going away just because the left likes Bernie.

As I said, he can always move to the center to gain votes if he gets the nod, but how will that settle with his supporters?

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:41 AM

Bad Dog (2,025 posts)

32. America more moderate than Sweden?

You're having a laugh. There are lots of words to describe an electorate that sent George W Bush to the Whitehouse, (twice!), moderate is not one of them.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:20 AM

TBF (31,869 posts)

33. Where in the OP was that said?

All the OP said is that if you're getting just as many votes as the front runner you are no longer an anomoly (a "fringe" candidate). It didn't say anything about the party itself.

We can talk about the party itself if you'd like to, but that would be off topic.

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Response to TBF (Reply #33)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:27 PM

stage left (2,759 posts)

40. Thank you, TBF

That was exactly my point. Sanders is no longer an anomaly.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:09 PM

stage left (2,759 posts)

17. I'm an old liberal.

And the "middle" is now so far right, in my opinion, that I hope he won't move there. But, you're right. We'll see.

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Response to stage left (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:20 PM

farleftlib (2,125 posts)

20. Agreed, the so-called "center" is republicanville.

I'm a baby boomer and my positions haven't changed in 35 years and I used to be the norm. Now I'm considered the far left fringe. I didn't change but the party did.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:16 PM

hifiguy (33,688 posts)

19. Bernie Sanders stands in the same part of the party's tradidion

as outliers like Hubert Humphrey, Jack, Bob and Ted Kennedy, Franklin Roosevelt, Paul Wellstone, Harry Truman and (on domestic policy) Lyndon B. Johnson.

The mainstream of what the real Democratic Party used to be.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:36 AM

stage left (2,759 posts)

37. I know all those wild and crazy guys

like Hubert Humphrey.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:50 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

24. With respect you're way off the mark here. The logic that is seems some are using is that Sanders

is so far to the left of Clinton that he must be fringe. He isn't farther to the left than a lot of people like Sen Warren.

Instead of fixating on left of who, look at his stands on issues. They are right on target with Democratic Principles. Wanting health care for all Americans, safety nets for the unemployed, a living min wage, protections for our environment, fair trade agreements, jobs, jobs, jobs, and affordable education for our children, etc. is not fringe.

Tell me what he wants that is fringe?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:32 AM

JohnnyRingo (18,076 posts)

28. I see your point.

But after months and months of people claiming Sanders to be the one true liberal candidate, I'm now to understand that he's gone mainstream without changing a thing. That he's a liberal is OK with me, but I stand to the left of the average voter. Moving the goalposts doesn't make Bernie a moderate nor does it land me and Hillary Clinton in the Tea Party. I believe you're trying to say that there is no far left anymore, only moderate, right, and far right, because I see no one in politics to Bernie's left.

People can say that being a liberal is a plus in the general election all they want, but remember that the name had to changed to progressive to avoid negative political blowback. Socialist is a whole new level for the right wing slime machine. Let's hope he didn't say it too much in public because people like Hannity and Levin will devote two hours a day comparing him to history's worst dictators.

Sanders has avoided that trial by fire so far because the right is handily using him as a foil to destroy the one person they see as standing between them and a return to the White House, and the far left is joining them in the fray. Unfortunately.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:08 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

45. I think the problem is that "far left" is just perjoritive for left. Some people that are central

like to think of themselves as Left and therefore anyone to the left is far left. I have never gotten anyone to explain the difference between far left and left. To me Sen Sanders and Sen Warren represent the left, progressive wing while Clinton represents the conservative wing of the party, with many, many issues that agree with the Republicons.

I would call those that advocate violence to promote left causes are extremists.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:37 AM

Hassin Bin Sober (25,851 posts)

29. You seem to be operating under some weird false premise someone HAS to to his left ...

... for him not to be fringe.

He's in the center and HRC is center right.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:50 AM

JohnnyRingo (18,076 posts)

30. There is no one in politics further left than Bernie Sanders.

That's alright with me, because I'm to the left of the average voter, but most people reel from the term liberal so much it had to be changed to progressive to avoid political recoil. Moving the goalposts now to place Sanders in the middle of the playing field doesn't make him a moderate, nor does it land me and Hillary Clinton in the Tea Party.

I've heard for months and months here that Bernie Sanders is the only true liberal candidate and he'll have to own it now, for better or worse. And that takes us back to the crux of the OP.

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Response to stage left (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:31 PM

Jefferson23 (30,099 posts)

21. Well done...very nice. n/t

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Response to stage left (Original post)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:46 PM

LWolf (46,179 posts)

22. Yes, but

I'll hang on to the graphic, in honor of Jackpine Radical, and simply because I like it.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:05 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

26. The graphic still works as it's mocking the claim that he is fringe. He is fringe to the RW and

even the Conservative Democrats.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:15 PM

stage left (2,759 posts)

39. agreed.

Sanders never was on the fringe in my opinion. Calling him that was a way of marginalizing him and his campaign. Embracing the term is like embracing the term liberal, taking it back from the people who have tried to make it a dirty word.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:10 PM

stage left (2,759 posts)

38. I like it, too.

and I always liked what Jackpine Radical had to say.

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Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:26 AM

Babel_17 (5,400 posts)

27. Truly the popular candidate

It's all about being lifted up by the people.

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Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:48 AM

99th_Monkey (19,326 posts)

31. After CNN tried their damnedest to bury Bernie's campaign in Iowa, and failed miserably

i was pleased that Cooper treated Bernie with the respect he richly deserves at tonight's
CNN forum. . Like night & day, the difference between the two events.

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Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:59 PM

TIME TO PANIC (1,894 posts)

43. K & R!

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Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:47 PM

SammyWinstonJack (44,111 posts)

44. Nice one!

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