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New Washington post-Abcnews poll shows Obama 49%-Romney 47% (Original Post) hrmjustin Oct 2012 OP
Actually better than the last poll from the same pollster which was Obama + 1 earlier this month. Mr.Turnip Oct 2012 #1
poll makes no sense mgcgulfcoast Oct 2012 #16
The media will latch on to this poll like mad and run the narrative Romney is back in this... Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #2
Honestly, I'd be stunned if I don't see at least a couple of your headlines in the next few days... Rowdyboy Oct 2012 #4
It is the campaigns that buy advertisements. former9thward Oct 2012 #23
I think the idea is that the MSM pushes that it's close to get more hits/viewers. ChimpersMcSmirkers Oct 2012 #30
Spot on! DeeDeeNY Oct 2012 #18
The best part: Obama leads 52-41 among swing state voters... Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #3
ditto...if Ohio mirrors overall country, R-money is down by 6% or more Tribetime Oct 2012 #5
A lot of racist red staters will make the overall popular vote percentage close ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #8
Southern white working class: 40 point margin for Romney. So yes, Obama is doing bad in deep red progree Oct 2012 #14
THIS is the demographic most dependent on the government! TroyD Oct 2012 #15
Not sure that's true. The red states have large non-white populations progree Oct 2012 #21
Seriously. The biggest group of welfare recipients are white people in the South. Period. nt progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #27
How do you know? the demographic being discussed is the southern white WORKING class progree Oct 2012 #29
Why do you say that? former9thward Oct 2012 #24
Yep, you're right. Robme's margin in RED states is much greater than Obama's margin in BLUE Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #19
I don't think voter suprpression is affecting the polls. But it might cause a "November Surprise" nt progree Oct 2012 #20
The voter suppression, in and of itself, may not. But if there's fraud during the registration Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #22
My thought was that the Dems would think they were registered, when they are not ... progree Oct 2012 #25
The Romney comeback begins oswaldactedalone Oct 2012 #6
better link? creeksneakers2 Oct 2012 #7
must have wrote it in wrong. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #9
Let's see here... jaysunb Oct 2012 #10
bad link.... MADem Oct 2012 #11
That's 1100 Americans right there. NCLefty Oct 2012 #12
Compared to their last poll, Obama is +1... Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #13
Obama is also only +2 in POLITCO's new poll this morning TroyD Oct 2012 #17
250 million dollars and polls Phaerisee Oct 2012 #26
Good. That'll get out the vote. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #28
Swing state polls are what matter budkin Oct 2012 #31

Mr.Turnip

(645 posts)
1. Actually better than the last poll from the same pollster which was Obama + 1 earlier this month.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:48 AM
Oct 2012

this poll has been consistently good for Romney on the national level and he's still behind here.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
2. The media will latch on to this poll like mad and run the narrative Romney is back in this...
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:51 AM
Oct 2012

This will give 'em their story leading up to the debate.

"Romney closes polling gap on the eve of presidential debate"

"With momentum on his side, Romney looks to reassure voters he can lead"

"In statistical tie with President, Romney delivers stunning rebuke of Obama administration in first debate"

"Romney nips at Obama's lead, gains after debate"

It's coming. They want a horse race and they'll do everything in their power to make it a horse race.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
4. Honestly, I'd be stunned if I don't see at least a couple of your headlines in the next few days...
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:57 AM
Oct 2012

It MUST be a close race because that sells advertisements and thats really what its all about. Certainly its time for it to become a "horserace" again whether it is or not.

former9thward

(32,017 posts)
23. It is the campaigns that buy advertisements.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:10 PM
Oct 2012

Not people looking at public polls published in newspapers and other media. The campaigns do not pay attention to public polls. They have their own private polling which they never release to the public. So if they are buying ads they must think it is close.

ChimpersMcSmirkers

(3,328 posts)
30. I think the idea is that the MSM pushes that it's close to get more hits/viewers.
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 07:04 PM
Oct 2012

This increases their ad revenue from websites/tv shows.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
3. The best part: Obama leads 52-41 among swing state voters...
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:54 AM
Oct 2012

I don't quite understand the dynamics of this poll. I can only guess that Obama is doing remarkably bad in deep red states in the South to only lead by two nationally but hold significant leads in swing states.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
8. A lot of racist red staters will make the overall popular vote percentage close
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 01:09 AM
Oct 2012

Thankfully, their votes will mean shit in the end. Let Alabama and Utah go 70% for Romney. Fuck them.

progree

(10,908 posts)
14. Southern white working class: 40 point margin for Romney. So yes, Obama is doing bad in deep red
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 03:34 AM
Oct 2012

states.

...poll conducted a few weeks ago by the Public Religion Research Institute in Washington, D.C., ... that poll found that in the South, among white working class voters, Republican Mitt Romney leads Obama by the astounding vote of 62-22 percent — a 40 percentage point difference.

The poll defined working class as having less than a bachelor’s degree and being paid by the hour or by the job.

No other region in the country had anywhere near that differential. In the West, Romney led by just 5 percentage points among white working class voters. In the Northeast, he leads by 4 percentage points. And in the Midwest, Obama leads Romney by 8 percentage points among white working class voters.


http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120930/COLUMNISTS21/309300041/1001/Joseph-Gerth-Polls-suggest-Kentucky-voters-gone-South?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CHome%7Cp

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
15. THIS is the demographic most dependent on the government!
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 04:36 AM
Oct 2012

And they're still being stupid enough to vote for Romney?

progree

(10,908 posts)
21. Not sure that's true. The red states have large non-white populations
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 01:07 PM
Oct 2012

And the only reason they are red states is because the whites in the South are so overwhelmingly Republican.

progree

(10,908 posts)
29. How do you know? the demographic being discussed is the southern white WORKING class
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 05:58 PM
Oct 2012

And as for southern whites, overall, in what way are they the "biggest group of welfare recipients"? Just wondering where you get your statistics - you seem so sure "Seriously .... Period".

Is it because whites are still the majority of the population (nationwide 64%)? What about the welfare recipient RATE? To me, that's the more relevant measure.

Nationwide, according to an AP 8/8/12 article about the welfare caseload, "The latest statistics show the welfare caseload is divided thus: 33 percent black, 31 percent white and 29 percent Hispanic."

So, at least nation-wide, whites are not the biggest group of welfare recipients, even though they constitute 63.7% of the population.

Also, according to the 2010 census, 63.7% of the population is non-Hispanic white, 16.3% is Hispanic, and 12.6% is black. Doing the math, the black welfare rate is 5.4 times the (non-Hispanic) white rate, while the Hispanic rate is 3.7 X the (non-Hispanic) white rate.

To me, it is not progressive to deny that income inequality hit minorities the hardest.


former9thward

(32,017 posts)
24. Why do you say that?
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:16 PM
Oct 2012

Why is the "Southern white working class" demographic the most dependent on the government?

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
19. Yep, you're right. Robme's margin in RED states is much greater than Obama's margin in BLUE
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 11:32 AM
Oct 2012

states. Hence, the vote suppression targeted to some of these populous BLUE states and a little going on in RED states with BLUE populations like the Atlanta area, Houston and Dallas, and South Carolina. If the voters in populous BLUE areas in these RED states are disenfranchised, that also chips away at the popular vote margin.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
22. The voter suppression, in and of itself, may not. But if there's fraud during the registration
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:09 PM
Oct 2012

process, it may be difficult to get accurate opinions from "registered voters" who support the president/Democrats.

Many of these polls provide numbers for "registered voters" and as we all know, there's been some problems in that area, thanks to Republicans who are tampering with that process.

progree

(10,908 posts)
25. My thought was that the Dems would think they were registered, when they are not ...
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 04:21 PM
Oct 2012

In the case of a Republican-funded voter registration drive, they might (and no doubt sometimes do) go ahead and register the Democrat (DemTard or DemocRAT in their parlance), but then throw away, err, "lose" their registration later. Anyway, because the Democrat thinks he/she is registered, he would be telling a pollster that he is. But come election day, complications begin, "Sir, sir, I'm sorry sir, your name is nowhere on our voter rolls. But if you register now, you will be able to vote in the 2013 city council elections ".

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
10. Let's see here...
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 01:25 AM
Oct 2012

a media giant conducts a poll that they-and other big media- can tout as a " horserace", which lead to more ad dollars. Wow, what a deal....

MADem

(135,425 posts)
11. bad link....
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 01:26 AM
Oct 2012

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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
13. Compared to their last poll, Obama is +1...
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:54 AM
Oct 2012

ABC's poll has had Romney up more than any other major national poll (outside Rasmussen).

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
17. Obama is also only +2 in POLITCO's new poll this morning
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 07:40 AM
Oct 2012

But they are another pollster that has a history of small Obama numbers in the past.

Phaerisee

(36 posts)
26. 250 million dollars and polls
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 04:25 PM
Oct 2012

Some of us Independent types watched the GOP primaries and a lot of tricky stuff happened. Expect more of the same here in the General Election. 47 percent of Americans are going to vote for Mitt Romney? The Numbers do not add up.

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