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Related: About this forumMorning Joe Invokes Almost Every Possible Sexist Meme In Segment On Hillary Clinton ‘Screaming’
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/03/3745884/morning-joe-sexist-hillary-discussion/Journalist Bob Woodward of Watergate fame argued Wednesday that presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is struggling to overcome opponent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) because Clinton shouts too much.
The comment sparked a redux of the sexist media coverage of Clintons 2008 presidential campaign, as MSNBCs Morning Joe commentators launched into a lengthy discussion that touched on many of the common tropes about Clinton screaming, acting unnatural, and being feisty.
There is something unrelaxed about the way she is communicating, Woodward told the panel Wednesday morning. Joe Scarborough jumped in, asking, Has nobody told her that the microphone works? Because she always keeps it up here. The genius of Reagan was Reagan kept it down low.
Cokie Roberts of NPR broke in to note that the footage they were referring to was at a noisy rally: These are rallies, though, and its hard to do that at a rally.
When shes loud and feisty, shes trying to support this narrative that shes fighting for us, Kristen Soltis Anderson added to the analysis.
Woodward later brought up Clintons volume again after the conversation turned to whether or not voters trust Clinton. Im sorry to dwell on the tone issue, but there is something here, where Hillary Clinton suggests that shes almost not comfortable with herself, he said. And self-acceptance is something that you communicate on television.
Go back and watch Margaret Thatcher in Britain in 1975, Scarborough interjected. Often, she would find a man in her party that she would reduce with little more than a whisper. But you were right though. Hillary is always up here and again, its just not natural to her.
She could make a case for herself if she would just kind of lower the temperature and get off this screaming stuff, Woodward argued.
Former DNC head Howard Dean then came on the program to defend Clintons demeanor, suggesting that she would be under less scrutiny if she were a man. Oh my God, thats desperate, co-host Mika Brzezinski scoffed.
When Republicans watch Hillary Clinton speak, they are so turned off that it actually allows them to underestimate her strength as a candidate, because they think, how can anyone possibly like her? Anderson said.
Clinton has previously discussed her struggle with the sexism she faced from the media during her 2008 campaign, when she was accused of being shrill and nagging. Commentators openly argued that her menstrual cycle would impact her decisionmaking. Morning Joe was a leader in those discussions; Scarborough often referenced the Clinton cackle and another panelist cracked a joke that Clinton reminded everyone of their first wife in probate court.
The screaming stuff trope has followed Clinton throughout her political career. As Rebecca Traister notes, Clintons criticism of Sanders single-payer health care plan has been meme-ified as Hillarys Mean Scream, echoing a common perception that women who sound assertive are angry. In a less subtle attack, the New York Post ran a cover during the Benghazi hearings of Clinton looking angry with the headline No Wonder Bills Afraid: Hillary explodes with rage at Benghazi hearing.
The sexism of the 2008 campaign was so heavy handed that it inspired the Womens Media Center to draw up a guide to gender neutral coverage of female politicians for reporters. Research done by a WMC affiliate found that simply mentioning a female candidates appearance, whether to disparage, praise, or notice, hurts her election chances. The center has also identified certain words, like feisty and scold, as female-specific dog whistles that can impact public perception.
Clinton has said she has learned to stop worrying about the attacks. It is just never ending, she told Diane Sawyer in an interview. You get a little worried about, okay, people over on this side are loving what Im wearing, looking like, saying Im done with that. Im just done.
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Morning Joe Invokes Almost Every Possible Sexist Meme In Segment On Hillary Clinton ‘Screaming’ (Original Post)
MrWendel
Feb 2016
OP
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)1. Morning Joe is just a killer and has no credentials
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)2. Yes the "Screaming" comments are sexist.
It is sexist when a Rrpublican does it.
It is sexist when a non-Republican does it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)3. 2008 redux. I remember the NH primary.
The Joe regulars were sure she'd be defeated, and that morning up there they acted as if they'd come to party around her deathbed. My husband, who avoids the nastiness of watching politics, saw them laughing and enthusiastic while he walked by and said, "Boy, they really hate her, don't they?" Yes. Those jobs they like way too much require them to attack, and they hate her for the way they behave.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)4. Sexism would explain dead intern Joe.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)5. I WANT my candidate (whomever it may be)
to be loud, feisty, and passionate.