I Support Bernie Sanders

[angrychair]

I am not a sexist.
I am not a misogynist.
I am not a racist.
I am not a BernieBro
I'm not stupid
I do not believe in unicorns
I don't live in a fantasy world.

Far to many are calling Sanders supporters all these things and worse.
Since I am a Sanders supporter than by virtue of that fact, I must be these things. You say I am.
If your candidate ends up winning than your going to need my vote. Trust me.

But why would you want it?

Why would you solicit the vote of someone you call and think is a racist, misogynistic berniebro that believes in unicorns?

Let me be unequivocally clear

Take your vote and shove it up your ass. Allll up in your ass.

[TheFarS1de]

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[narnian60]

2. Whoa.

Agreed with you up until the last sentence

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

3. Well, he never claimed to be a calm chair. nt

[litlbilly]

7. the truth seems to hurt them more than they can take. Would they be happier if we lied to them?

[angrychair]

9. Understood

Given my life and my works and my personality, I take great exception and insult to those terms. There are a lot of cuss words you could call me that would not upset me at all. I am very proud of who I am and those terms of hate and mistrust really get under my skin.
It saddens me that a Democrat would make such broad side attacks on other Democrats solely based on who they support.

[narnian60]

12. I respect your passion.

[onehandle]

4. The 'Not Hillary' Party is in good hands I see. nt

[firebrand80]

5. The name calling goes both ways nt

[angrychair]

14. Not. From. Me.

Not from most supporters of Sanders. There are far to many making blanket statements. If a person says something racist or sexist than deal with that person, don't make blanket statements that we are all racist or sexist.

[Squinch]

17. Oh, for fuck's sake. What exactly is it that you think you just did? Is this you being cordial

and not making blanket, crappy statements to and about Hillary supporters?

Do you hear yourself?

[angrychair]

28. Not, not what i did

I was speaking to the blanket labeling of me, by virtue of being a Sanders supporter, as a "racist" or "sexist" or whatever the hell a "BernieBro" is.

Interestingly, I never once said "Hillary supporters" in my OP. On purpose. You projected that conjecture to suit your narrative. I could have meant a lot of things but I never said "you Hillary supporters" anything.

[Squinch]

38. So your position is, "They are all doing mean things to me, and I never did anything to them!"

And yet, there you are, telling THEM (making assumptions about ALL of THEM) to shove things up their asses.

...speaking of projecting to suit one's narrative...

If you seriously think you are above the fray and not contributing to the senseless, imbecilic, infantile vitriol with your post, you are ridiculous.

[TCJ70]

6. Aside from the last two sentences...

...I feel the same way. Remember that if Bernie comes out on top (Let's hope so...) we'll need their votes as well.

[litlbilly]

8. Im ok with those last 2 sentences, needs to be said IMO

[MissDeeds]

11. The same people who are spewing this rubbish

will come calling for our votes if (god forbid) HRH wins the nomination.

[nc4bo]

13. Rahm called us retards for wanting better.

Of course they didn't need our help at that moment.

They always pucker up when our votes are needed then play Helen Keller when they don't.

Pretty sure Hillary will keep up the tradition.

It won't change unless we force it.

[DemocraticWing]

15. A lot of it is really unfair.

I'll be the first to admit that we have a few people who you could call those things in our crowd, and I call it out when I see it. Generalizing it about a whole group of people is really sad though.

34% of non-white voters in Iowa voted for Sanders, do these people think 1 in 3 minorities are self-hating racists? A majority of women under 30 voted for Sanders in Iowa. Are more young women misogynists? I guess DWS called them "complacent," a term I would never use to describe the many progressive, feminist friends of mine who support both candidates, but either way these charges seem specious.

[99Forever]

16. Been called all those and worse by the Clinton crowd.

I won't forget the hatred I've been treated with by them and the awful lies Hillary and her surrogates have spread about a man with far more decency and honestly than the entirety of them combined.

[ecstatic]

18. Regarding your question, isn't Bernie trying to recruit trump voters?

I could ask the same question of him:

Why would you solicit the vote of someone you call and think is a racist, misogynistic berniebro that believes in unicorns?

[NanceGreggs]

19. There, there.

Rest assured that when HRC is declared the nominee, no one will be begging you for your vote.

Democrats will rally behind their own, and will cast their vote accordingly - whether it's because they support Hillary, or because they will use their vote to keep a Republican from winning. They'll do the right thing because it IS the right thing, and won't have to be wooed or sweet-talked into it.

Those who threaten to sit out the election if their candidate doesn't win are really not worth anyone's time or effort.

I, along with millions of Democrats, will be voting for my party's nominee next November. I don't need cajoling, I don't require sweet-talking - and I certainly won't be withholding my vote because a bunch of anonymous people called me names on a message board.

And just BTW, you might want to take a look at what HRC supporters have been called on this site. It's not like you BS supporters are blameless victims here.

[rhett o rick]

20. It's obvious that some dont care if the Democrats win the general. They, like Goldman-Sachs

just want to be sure that a progressive doesn't win. Many, many of the people that have turned out in droves for Sen Sanders have done so because they want a change to the culture of corruption in Wash DC. If Clinton, a solid member of the culture, is manipulated into winning the primary, these people will not support a continuation of the corrupt status quo. People can shake their fingers all they want, but they will lose in 2016 just like they did in 2000. Their hubris was their downfall.

[NanceGreggs]

21. Like I said, rick ...

If you want to take your ball and go home if you don't get your own way, that's your prerogative. No one is begging you to stay.

You see, rick, MILLIONS of Democrats want HRC as the nominee, and as POTUS. That's why she's the front-runner - and has the poll numbers, the endorsements and the delegates to back-up that front-runner status.

In other words, the small group of people who threaten to take their ball home don't seem to realize that we, as a party, have plenty of our own balls - and having yours is not a make-or-break when it comes to whether we get to play or not.

[Live and Learn]

23. Thanks. Could you tell Hillary that? She keeps filling up my mail boxes begging for donations! nt

[NanceGreggs]

24. As did Martin O'Malley in my Inbox.

And yet, amazingly enough, I managed to survive.

[Live and Learn]

25. Oh did you? I was ready to throw myself over a cliff over it.

[George II]

35. Starting a day after Sanders' people spent four hours poring over Clinton's voter data....

....I started getting inundated by emails from the Sanders campaign, now up to four or five a day, all begging for contributions.

I've never given them my email address, I never contacted them. But I AM on the Clinton Campaign's email address list.

So, they didn't "steal" any Clinton data but suddenly they had my email address?

[Live and Learn]

39. By your logic, the Clinton Campaign must have stolen mine. Interesting.

I certainly wasn't going to go there but you did.

[angrychair]

26. See you make my point

I had no real argument with anything you said (with the exception being I don't want or need someone to "beg" for my vote, I want them to earn it), until your last paragraph:
"And just BTW, you might want to take a look at what HRC supporters have been called on this site. It's not like you BS supporters are blameless victims here.

See, that is a the specific blanket statement that gets on my nerves and is so insulting.
My last sentence is so shocking but calling someone a misogynist isn't a big deal because, as you stated, "a bunch of anonymous people called me names on a message board."
What you don't get is that is not the case here on DU. Many here have read and replied to each other for years, including me and you. Many have worked online and in real life to help each other with serious problems. Many have shared deeply personal things. Many have shared the joys and deaths in their lives. This place, this community, is many things my friend NanceGreggs, but it is a lot more to me and many others than an anonymous message board.

That is also why things like this are important to point out. You will get no argument from me that some people that say they support Sanders have said things they should not. They doesn't mean that all Sanders supporters are any of the things being stated.
That is also why it is unfair to paint Sanders in that light. Has he made mistakes? Made votes I might not agree with? Yes, he has. So has Clinton. It just so happens, as it did for me in 2008, that another candidate more closely represents my perspective. My hope for our country.

[NanceGreggs]

29. As an HRC supporter ...

... I have been called a corporate-loving lackey for the 1%, an MIC adherent who is praying for more war, a DINO, an anti-progressive, a Third Wayer enamoured of Wall Street, and an immoral, unprincipled shill for everyone who represents what that is wrong with the country and with the world.

So please don't lecture me, or anyone else, about "blanket statements" that one finds insulting.

As for your comment about "Take your vote and shove it up your ass. Allll up in your ass.", I will repeat the obvious: No one cares.

If you want to withhold your vote because of what was said on a message board, so be it.

No one cares.

[angrychair]

32. Thanks!

I get it. How I vote or don't vote in November will really only be known to me.
I was only making it clear that it is counter-intuitive to spend months calling me a misogynist or racist, especially if the person saying it is painting all Sanders supporters with the same broad brush and they believe it to be true, to ask me to vote for their candidate.

Yes, I'm sure you feel the same way. I get it.

Kind of the point I'm making....

[NanceGreggs]

33. If BS wound up being the Dem nominee ...

... I would not expect his supporters to come begging for my vote. That's because I am a Democrat, and will vote for the (D) in the general - regardless of what was said on a message board.

" ... to ask me to vote for their candidate."

No one is asking you to vote for "their candidate". You will either vote for the Democrat in November, or you won't.

And in the great scheme of things, whether you do or you don't is of little consequence.

[angrychair]

34. I appreciate that

Your last line made me laugh, for some reason "Dust in the Wind" popped in my head....in the grand scheme of the universe, a black hole could open up between the Earth and Moon and suck us into oblivion and the universe, that didn't care we existed, would not care that we no longer did.

On that cheerful note, I will wish you a good evening/morning and hope you have a wonderful weekend

[treestar]

36. +1

So sick of their stupid "threats." And making it all about themselves.

They are not going to earn votes for Bernie that way.

[Live and Learn]

22. You sound a bit angry, LOL.

That said, I understand it completely.

[angrychair]

27. I am

That type of language, words like "racist" and "misogynist" are important. They have a meaning. To be so free to label people with words like that is to steal that meaning and devalue there conviction. To steal a word's meaning is to steal its purpose to be spoken.

[Live and Learn]

31. I agree completely.

It also irks me greatly that they imply that POC have some duty to vote for her. Why the hell would anyone vote against there own self interest? What in the world has Hillary ever done that has benefited POC, or anyone else in the poor or middle classes in this country?

[Warren DeMontague]

30. Your thread broffends me.

It broffends my brofensibilities.