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MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:44 AM Feb 2016

Obama alums lash out at Sanders

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-progressives-barack-obama-218562

There’s nothing that drives the president and his aides crazier than the idea that he’s not a true progressive, or that he’s sold out on his principles.

Backing Hillary Clinton in this year’s election means swallowing a lot of pride and lingering bitterness for the ultra-competitive Obama alumni. Lashing back at Bernie Sanders for knocking President Barack Obama as a disappointment to progressives makes it easier.

There’s nothing that drives Obama and his current and former aides crazier than the idea that he’s not a true progressive, or that he’s sold out on his principles. The people who make that argument, they think, are noisemakers who started out reading more into Obama than he ever promised himself, who are never be satisfied with anything, and who are now willfully ignoring Obama’s record for the sake of their own talking points.

Sanders embodies all that to them.

And they feel the campaign that he’s been running, including some of its closing elements, is rubbing their faces in it—particularly after the Vermont senator spent the last weeks trying to draw closer to Obama. So they’ve spent their last few hours before the Iowa caucuses tearing him apart.

“He seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth,” said Tommy Vietor, an Obama 2008 campaign alum and former National Security Council spokesman. “He knows that Obama’s at a 90 percent approval rating in Iowa. He’s seemingly tempered his language in trying to play up all the work Obama did, but also offering criticisms that aren’t really rooted in the realities of what happened.”

It’s hard to find someone connected with Obama who hasn’t spent the past 48 hours pointing out the president’s sky-high numbers from Saturday night’s Des Moines Register poll.

“DMR poll. Obama 90% favorable,” White House political director David Simas tweeted shortly after the poll was released Saturday night. Then immediately after: “55% very favorable for Obama in #DMR poll. Highest top box of anyone on either side.”

People in Obama’s orbit think it’s fair to point out that the president fell short in areas like closing Guantanamo Bay or not realizing their ideal of single payer healthcare – but only if he gets credit for what he did do.

“What’s frustrating is a very, very, very small minority of progressives hold this point of view, but for whatever reason, they seem to have this giant megaphone,” said Mitch Stewart, who ran Obama’s 2008 operation in Iowa and moved immediately to the president’s reelection campaign.

Sanders’ blurb for liberal talk show host Bill Press’s new book, "Buyer's Remorse: How Obama let Progressives Down”—longer and less cutting in full than the excerpt on the cover, which reads "Bill Press makes the case ... Read this book”—pushed them over the edge, even though they know the quote was set long before Obama hosted Sanders in the Oval Office last week.

“Sanders closing with Cornel West and embracing idea of Buyer's Remorse with @POTUS,” Obama campaign manager David Plouffe, who’s endorsed and advised Clinton, wrote on Twitter on Sunday. “Be honest then Senator - run firmly against Obama record.”

That thought went viral among the Obama alums on Twitter.

“Why is Sanders campaigning in Iowa with Cornel West, one of Obama's biggest critics, when Obama has a 90% approval among IA Dems?” former Obama senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer wrote.

Jeremy Bird, the national field director for Obama’s reelection campaign, and a founding partner in 270 Strategies, which is working with Clinton, retweeted Plouffe and added, “Could not agree more. You cannot have it both ways, Senator.”

Stewart, whose 270 Strategies firm is now working with the Clinton campaign, still carries the old scars—Monday morning, for example, he tweeted his fond memory of keeping Clinton food trays out of caucus sites eight years ago. But like a lot of Obama alumni, he signed up early for Clinton (his firm was a consultant for Ready for Hillary), which he says is a combination of Clinton’s embracing the Obama team as secretary of state and “there’s something of an alignment of people who’ve been through the policy battles with Secretary Clinton, because she knows how hard change is.”

But at flashback moments for Obama alumni – when they can’t believe they’re supporting Clinton – having Sanders as the alternative helps.

“I think I would have been supportive of her no matter what,” Stewart said. “I think the fact that you have a candidate now who is articulating a very vocal but very much a minority view among progressives makes that conversion even easier.”

At the White House, where they’re engaged in a year-long process of legacy-minded trumpeting of their successes, the fight to protect Obama’s progressive credentials is underway every day of the week, Sanders or not.

But Sanders – who encouraged a primary challenge to the president in 2012 – definitely needles them.

“Evaluating the president’s record is not a theoretical exercise—we’ve got numbers we can consider,” said White House press secretary Josh Earnest on Monday, who made a point of reminding people that Sanders had praised Obama’s record standing on the White House driveway just last Wednesday, after his meeting. “And whether it’s the longest job growth streak in history or the lowest growth in health care costs in American history, or the all-time high in renewable energy production in this country, the president’s track record on issues that are important to middle class people in this country or important to Democrats is unimpeachable.”

Asked if that made Sanders voters in Iowa under-informed, misinformed or just plain wrong, Earnest demurred.

“The people who feel that way are entitled to their own opinion,” Earnest said, “but should also consult and consider the important progress our country’s made under President Obama’s leadership.”
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Obama alums lash out at Sanders (Original Post) MrWendel Feb 2016 OP
Because Hillary's always been a staunch defender of Obama. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #1
Yeah.... MrWendel Feb 2016 #3
I see absolutely nothing wrong with suggesting someone enter a primary. It is kind of DEMOCRATIC. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #6
Yeah... MrWendel Feb 2016 #8
One doesn't enter politics to be loved. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #11
right... MrWendel Feb 2016 #13
I wonder if he has gotten over Hillary's truly vile comments about him. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #24
No need to wonder. President Obama asked Senator Clinton to be his SoS, remember? BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #34
Keep your enemies close, perhaps? He also just invited Bernie to his office. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #35
You were wondering if he's ever gotten over Hillary's "vile" remarks, and I answered. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #36
You have no idea if he is over her remarks or not. Making her SOS was a political decision, nothing Live and Learn Feb 2016 #39
So you think... MrWendel Feb 2016 #40
How did Bernie question his integrity? Hillary, on the other hand questioned everything. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #41
And neither do you. Fact remains, he ASKED her to become his SoS and it just being a political BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #42
You also don't know if I have biases. You know nothing at all about me. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #47
Great post ProgressiveCentrist Feb 2016 #2
:-| Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #5
Obviously, 49.6% of Iowan Democrats disagreed with your Mic Drop and implied Burn. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #9
I think ProgressiveCentrist Feb 2016 #21
+1 !! Bigga and West have said some of the most vile racialized things about Obama and Sanders ... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #18
They know it. ProgressiveCentrist Feb 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Feb 2016 #32
his TPP is liberal how? roguevalley Feb 2016 #51
Hillary has a strong lead with blacks, Hispanics, women and non white poor in part for his chiding uponit7771 Feb 2016 #4
It has nothing to do with any of that and her lead quickly disappears once they know who Bernie is. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #7
Well.. MrWendel Feb 2016 #10
Precisely why they are turning in droves. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #14
Where do you see this droves? He lost PoC in IA with a 25 point spread... that's horrible uponit7771 Feb 2016 #16
I see them turning in droves where I am located. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #23
That's anectodtal at best... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #27
But the reasons are factual. No thanks on the link, I can read Hillary worship right here on DU. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #28
Huh.... MrWendel Feb 2016 #20
And Hillary needs more than the tie she got too. Glad we can agree on something. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #26
Thats why.. MrWendel Feb 2016 #31
Not true. Hillary's support among PoC beats Bernie by double digits. Bernie needed a huge win in BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #37
Ummmm...noooo, Sanders lost PoC in IA by 25%... that's after spending 3 months campaigning there uponit7771 Feb 2016 #15
Ah I see the talking point has moved from "Bernie only does well with well to do liberals" JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #12
It has to a degree, Sanders now polls even with Clinton among poor whites... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #17
We'll see, political prognosticators have been very bad this year at their jobs. We'll see...... JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #19
You're right, seems the hit rate on robo calls are horrible... I can't see Silvers supporting them uponit7771 Feb 2016 #22
My takeaway from Silver's job this year has been that he overextended his expertise JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #25
+1 nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #33
And this is bad news for Bernie. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #38
Obama pushed the TPP and cutting Social Security. He's no progressive. Broward Feb 2016 #43
Sanders is toast if he pisses off President Obama. DCBob Feb 2016 #44
I proudly stand with Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton/nt DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #45
TPP says it all newfie11 Feb 2016 #46
Well that's too bad. President Obama was the right man for the job over the last 7.5 years. jillan Feb 2016 #48
Sorry, but President Obama is *not* a progressive... Period... TheProgressive Feb 2016 #49
And I thought... MrWendel Feb 2016 #50
I've heard some people even call him a 1980's style "moderate Republican"... PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #52

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
24. I wonder if he has gotten over Hillary's truly vile comments about him.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:11 AM
Feb 2016

Funny how you seem to have completely forgiven her for them. Or maybe, you aren't really the friend of Obama's that you claim to be.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
35. Keep your enemies close, perhaps? He also just invited Bernie to his office.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:05 AM
Feb 2016

Obama isn't the one making the claims, Hillary supporters are. And my question was to those supporters.

How do you ignore the vile things Hilalry said about Obama while harping Bernie for simply suggesting it would be okay (and even democratic) for someone that wanted to run to do so? There is nothing even remotely wrong with what he said. Hillary on the other hand said disgusting things.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
36. You were wondering if he's ever gotten over Hillary's "vile" remarks, and I answered.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:30 AM
Feb 2016

He asked her to become his Secretary of State, so no need to wonder anymore.

Bernie wasn't simply suggesting it would be okay to primary the first Black president of the United States. He was feeling the waters, wondering if HE could step in to run for president. He became an icon of pure courage with White liberals, but he blew it with PoC - at least, the majority of them who aren't beholden to their hatred for President Obama and who can make or break Sanders' dream of ever residing in the White House. And then he writes a blurb for a book criticizing President Obama, too? Not very smart, is he?

And YOU might not think there's anything wrong with what he said, but that may be because you're in a position to be so flippant. However, you forget in what period of time he said it. It was during the time when President Obama was running for re-election and getting THE LEAST favorable news coverage (according to a Pew Research study) out of all candidates on either side of the aisle. In fact, first Rick Perry and then Mitt Romney got the most favorable - until Perry dropped out and Romney's 47% vid became public. But before that, Sanders was going to Democracy Now!, the Thom Hartmann show, and the Ed Schultz show to pile on President Obama. How would YOU feel if President Obama came out now and endorsed Hillary Clinton? Would you be a-ok with that - and believe it's still democratic?

You may continue making excuses for Bernie and maybe that will help you when his campaign fizzles and then berns-out out before Super Tuesday, but Blacks won't forget nor forgive him, just as Mexican-Americans won't forget his NO-vote on comprehensive immigration reform in 2007. He wasn't there for them, and they won't be there for him. It's why he lost the minority vote in Iowa by 25%. It's only going to get worst starting February 20th.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
39. You have no idea if he is over her remarks or not. Making her SOS was a political decision, nothing
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:00 AM
Feb 2016

more.

Nor, do you have any idea what Bernie was thinking when he made his remark. Unless you are claiming to be able to read minds your comments are preposterous.

The rest of your post is unworthy of comment, nor could I even finish reading it although I am pretty sure you never answered my question.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
41. How did Bernie question his integrity? Hillary, on the other hand questioned everything.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 06:44 AM
Feb 2016

Your meme is transparent, despicable and ridiculous. You should be ashamed.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
42. And neither do you. Fact remains, he ASKED her to become his SoS and it just being a political
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:13 AM
Feb 2016

decision is what your biases is telling you and pure conjecture on your part. Of course in your infinite wisdom, you forget that the Clintons campaigned for him when Hillary suspended her campaign. Oops!

And I really don't care what Bernie's thinking. He's inconsequential to me. I'll just take his words at face value, and they've condemned him. He will never be president. Just deserts.

Finally, the only reason you believe the rest of my post is unworthy is because facts are apparently silly and annoying things to you.

Have a great one!

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
47. You also don't know if I have biases. You know nothing at all about me.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:38 PM
Feb 2016

But I know that your posts have gotten increasingly hostile and ugly.

Back at you.

 
2. Great post
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:48 AM
Feb 2016

“Sanders closing with Cornel West and embracing idea of Buyer's Remorse with @POTUS,” Obama campaign manager David Plouffe, who’s endorsed and advised Clinton, wrote on Twitter on Sunday. “Be honest then Senator - run firmly against Obama record.”

That thought went viral among the Obama alums on Twitter.

“Why is Sanders campaigning in Iowa with Cornel West, one of Obama's biggest critics, when Obama has a 90% approval among IA Dems?” former Obama senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer wrote.


As the kids say

BOOM
MIC DROP
PWNED
Ouch that's going to leave a mark.

 
21. I think
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:08 AM
Feb 2016

this is just the beginning of the Obama push back against a campaign premised on lies about Obama.

One of many being Obama dismantled his machine in 08 after being elected. That his revolution would be successful because he wouldn't do that.

Choosing West to front for him will turn out to be the fatal error that sunk his campaign.
From what I've seen from Bernie supporters online they will be happy to blame him.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
18. +1 !! Bigga and West have said some of the most vile racialized things about Obama and Sanders ...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:07 AM
Feb 2016

.... campaigns with them in IA and loses the PoC vote by 25% to Hillary.... That's an ass whoopin

and I don't think they know it yet

 
29. They know it.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:17 AM
Feb 2016

Tad knew Bernie's liabilities when he created the liberty gambit.
Every questionable move has been to pander to whites. Create the Sander's map. Ditch the Obama coalition.
West is no accident. A mistake for sure. But not an accident.

Do you think they were unaware of west's rhetoric or standing with poc?
Do you think he was the only black person of stature willing to stump for him?

Rhetorical questions I know

Response to ProgressiveCentrist (Reply #29)

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
4. Hillary has a strong lead with blacks, Hispanics, women and non white poor in part for his chiding
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:51 AM
Feb 2016

... of Obama without context and associating himself with people like Bigga and West

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
7. It has nothing to do with any of that and her lead quickly disappears once they know who Bernie is.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:57 AM
Feb 2016

Feel the Bern!!!!!!!

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
14. Precisely why they are turning in droves.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:02 AM
Feb 2016

They are not bowing down to Hillary or forgetting the damage she and her husband have done to their communities and the country.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
23. I see them turning in droves where I am located.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:09 AM
Feb 2016

I don't believe POC will turn out at all for Hillary. Iowa is hardly representative of the country.

Here are some good reasons they are turning against her:

Welfare reform
Prison Industrial Complex
$12 an hour minimum wage
Pro death penalty
Pro war
IWR vote
Ties to Wall street
Her disgustingly vile comments about Obama in 2008


There is no way POC are going to vote for that once they know there is someone like Bernie.


MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
20. Huh....
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:08 AM
Feb 2016
Bernie Sanders Needs More Than The Tie He Got In Iowa

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-needs-more-than-the-tie-he-got-in-iowa/

"Iowa and New Hampshire also lack nonwhite voters, who form a huge part of the Democratic base. Can Sanders win over some of these voters? Clinton has held a lead among nonwhites of nearly 40 percentage points in national polls. In Nevada, which votes after the New Hampshire primary, the electorate for the Democratic caucuses in 2008 was 15 percent Hispanic and 15 percent black. After Nevada comes South Carolina, where a majority of Democratic voters will be black. Our polls-only forecast in South Carolina gives Clinton a 94 percent chance to win, and our polls-plus forecast gives her a 96 percent chance to win."

MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
31. Thats why..
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:18 AM
Feb 2016

in a mostly white state she was lucky to pull this off. How ever it seems like in that state she killed it with non-white supporters. In the states that aren't white dominated, Bernie needs WAY more than a tie after he gets NH.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
37. Not true. Hillary's support among PoC beats Bernie by double digits. Bernie needed a huge win in
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:35 AM
Feb 2016

Iowa just to remain viable.

From Slate:

For Bernie, meanwhile, a Hillary victory would be an undeniable blow. With the exception of New Hampshire and his home state of Vermont, the Hawkeye State—with a Democratic electorate that skews white and liberal—represents the friendliest terrain on the map for Sanders. If Bernie can’t win in Iowa, Clinton and her allies will have no problem brushing off a Sanders win in New Hampshire next week as little more than the result of the senator being a near-native son in the Granite State. Sanders, then, would be in need of a win elsewhere to reset the race—and soon—but won’t have any obvious place to turn.


Bernie is toast after NH.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
15. Ummmm...noooo, Sanders lost PoC in IA by 25%... that's after spending 3 months campaigning there
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:02 AM
Feb 2016

... 25 point spread among any demo is an ass kicking I don't care if Sanders came from -2423 billion down.

PoC in IA didn't want to be Bern Victims (tm)...

I don't know where people are pulling their facts from

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
12. Ah I see the talking point has moved from "Bernie only does well with well to do liberals"
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:59 AM
Feb 2016

Funny that.

I can't wait to see the next meme die.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
17. It has to a degree, Sanders now polls even with Clinton among poor whites...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:05 AM
Feb 2016

... but lost the PoC vote in IA to Clinton by 25%... that's an ass whoopin...

If he didn't reach PoC in IA after 3 months what the hell is going to be doing in SC in 3 weeks...

Nothing is over till its over... Just can't see him making tons of ground there

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
22. You're right, seems the hit rate on robo calls are horrible... I can't see Silvers supporting them
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:09 AM
Feb 2016

... next year

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
25. My takeaway from Silver's job this year has been that he overextended his expertise
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:11 AM
Feb 2016

He was a very good pollster. But he tried to branch out into general political insider / wonk. People trusted his analysis of politics because of his poll analysis, which always seemed like a stretch to me.

Response to MrWendel (Original post)

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
46. TPP says it all
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:47 AM
Feb 2016

I voted for him twice but feel betrayed!
TPP is a freaking nightmare that we will have to live with and even now we don't know the ramifications!

jillan

(39,451 posts)
48. Well that's too bad. President Obama was the right man for the job over the last 7.5 years.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:40 PM
Feb 2016

Now we are moving on.

 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
49. Sorry, but President Obama is *not* a progressive... Period...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:42 PM
Feb 2016

He is a typical Establishment Democrat.

A Progressive would never, NEVER, offer up cuts to Social Security.

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