2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumObama alums lash out at Sanders
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-progressives-barack-obama-218562Theres nothing that drives the president and his aides crazier than the idea that hes not a true progressive, or that hes sold out on his principles.
Backing Hillary Clinton in this years election means swallowing a lot of pride and lingering bitterness for the ultra-competitive Obama alumni. Lashing back at Bernie Sanders for knocking President Barack Obama as a disappointment to progressives makes it easier.
Theres nothing that drives Obama and his current and former aides crazier than the idea that hes not a true progressive, or that hes sold out on his principles. The people who make that argument, they think, are noisemakers who started out reading more into Obama than he ever promised himself, who are never be satisfied with anything, and who are now willfully ignoring Obamas record for the sake of their own talking points.
Sanders embodies all that to them.
And they feel the campaign that hes been running, including some of its closing elements, is rubbing their faces in itparticularly after the Vermont senator spent the last weeks trying to draw closer to Obama. So theyve spent their last few hours before the Iowa caucuses tearing him apart.
He seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth, said Tommy Vietor, an Obama 2008 campaign alum and former National Security Council spokesman. He knows that Obamas at a 90 percent approval rating in Iowa. Hes seemingly tempered his language in trying to play up all the work Obama did, but also offering criticisms that arent really rooted in the realities of what happened.
Its hard to find someone connected with Obama who hasnt spent the past 48 hours pointing out the presidents sky-high numbers from Saturday nights Des Moines Register poll.
DMR poll. Obama 90% favorable, White House political director David Simas tweeted shortly after the poll was released Saturday night. Then immediately after: 55% very favorable for Obama in #DMR poll. Highest top box of anyone on either side.
People in Obamas orbit think its fair to point out that the president fell short in areas like closing Guantanamo Bay or not realizing their ideal of single payer healthcare but only if he gets credit for what he did do.
Whats frustrating is a very, very, very small minority of progressives hold this point of view, but for whatever reason, they seem to have this giant megaphone, said Mitch Stewart, who ran Obamas 2008 operation in Iowa and moved immediately to the presidents reelection campaign.
Sanders blurb for liberal talk show host Bill Presss new book, "Buyer's Remorse: How Obama let Progressives Downlonger and less cutting in full than the excerpt on the cover, which reads "Bill Press makes the case ... Read this bookpushed them over the edge, even though they know the quote was set long before Obama hosted Sanders in the Oval Office last week.
Sanders closing with Cornel West and embracing idea of Buyer's Remorse with @POTUS, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe, whos endorsed and advised Clinton, wrote on Twitter on Sunday. Be honest then Senator - run firmly against Obama record.
That thought went viral among the Obama alums on Twitter.
Why is Sanders campaigning in Iowa with Cornel West, one of Obama's biggest critics, when Obama has a 90% approval among IA Dems? former Obama senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer wrote.
Jeremy Bird, the national field director for Obamas reelection campaign, and a founding partner in 270 Strategies, which is working with Clinton, retweeted Plouffe and added, Could not agree more. You cannot have it both ways, Senator.
Stewart, whose 270 Strategies firm is now working with the Clinton campaign, still carries the old scarsMonday morning, for example, he tweeted his fond memory of keeping Clinton food trays out of caucus sites eight years ago. But like a lot of Obama alumni, he signed up early for Clinton (his firm was a consultant for Ready for Hillary), which he says is a combination of Clintons embracing the Obama team as secretary of state and theres something of an alignment of people whove been through the policy battles with Secretary Clinton, because she knows how hard change is.
But at flashback moments for Obama alumni when they cant believe theyre supporting Clinton having Sanders as the alternative helps.
I think I would have been supportive of her no matter what, Stewart said. I think the fact that you have a candidate now who is articulating a very vocal but very much a minority view among progressives makes that conversion even easier.
At the White House, where theyre engaged in a year-long process of legacy-minded trumpeting of their successes, the fight to protect Obamas progressive credentials is underway every day of the week, Sanders or not.
But Sanders who encouraged a primary challenge to the president in 2012 definitely needles them.
Evaluating the presidents record is not a theoretical exerciseweve got numbers we can consider, said White House press secretary Josh Earnest on Monday, who made a point of reminding people that Sanders had praised Obamas record standing on the White House driveway just last Wednesday, after his meeting. And whether its the longest job growth streak in history or the lowest growth in health care costs in American history, or the all-time high in renewable energy production in this country, the presidents track record on issues that are important to middle class people in this country or important to Democrats is unimpeachable.
Asked if that made Sanders voters in Iowa under-informed, misinformed or just plain wrong, Earnest demurred.
The people who feel that way are entitled to their own opinion, Earnest said, but should also consult and consider the important progress our countrys made under President Obamas leadership.
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(12,769 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)She should have gotten on his good side and tried to primaried him or something.
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(12,769 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)I hear he loved that. And he definitely loves having his principles questioned too.
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(12,769 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)that explains it. Obama should have asked Bernie if he's worthy enough to be Progressive.
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(12,769 posts)Funny how you seem to have completely forgiven her for them. Or maybe, you aren't really the friend of Obama's that you claim to be.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)So what's to wonder?
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(12,769 posts)Obama isn't the one making the claims, Hillary supporters are. And my question was to those supporters.
How do you ignore the vile things Hilalry said about Obama while harping Bernie for simply suggesting it would be okay (and even democratic) for someone that wanted to run to do so? There is nothing even remotely wrong with what he said. Hillary on the other hand said disgusting things.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)He asked her to become his Secretary of State, so no need to wonder anymore.
Bernie wasn't simply suggesting it would be okay to primary the first Black president of the United States. He was feeling the waters, wondering if HE could step in to run for president. He became an icon of pure courage with White liberals, but he blew it with PoC - at least, the majority of them who aren't beholden to their hatred for President Obama and who can make or break Sanders' dream of ever residing in the White House. And then he writes a blurb for a book criticizing President Obama, too? Not very smart, is he?
And YOU might not think there's anything wrong with what he said, but that may be because you're in a position to be so flippant. However, you forget in what period of time he said it. It was during the time when President Obama was running for re-election and getting THE LEAST favorable news coverage (according to a Pew Research study) out of all candidates on either side of the aisle. In fact, first Rick Perry and then Mitt Romney got the most favorable - until Perry dropped out and Romney's 47% vid became public. But before that, Sanders was going to Democracy Now!, the Thom Hartmann show, and the Ed Schultz show to pile on President Obama. How would YOU feel if President Obama came out now and endorsed Hillary Clinton? Would you be a-ok with that - and believe it's still democratic?
You may continue making excuses for Bernie and maybe that will help you when his campaign fizzles and then berns-out out before Super Tuesday, but Blacks won't forget nor forgive him, just as Mexican-Americans won't forget his NO-vote on comprehensive immigration reform in 2007. He wasn't there for them, and they won't be there for him. It's why he lost the minority vote in Iowa by 25%. It's only going to get worst starting February 20th.
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(12,769 posts)more.
Nor, do you have any idea what Bernie was thinking when he made his remark. Unless you are claiming to be able to read minds your comments are preposterous.
The rest of your post is unworthy of comment, nor could I even finish reading it although I am pretty sure you never answered my question.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)Bernie questioning his integrity about his values will be easily looked over by him?
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(12,769 posts)Your meme is transparent, despicable and ridiculous. You should be ashamed.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)decision is what your biases is telling you and pure conjecture on your part. Of course in your infinite wisdom, you forget that the Clintons campaigned for him when Hillary suspended her campaign. Oops!
And I really don't care what Bernie's thinking. He's inconsequential to me. I'll just take his words at face value, and they've condemned him. He will never be president. Just deserts.
Finally, the only reason you believe the rest of my post is unworthy is because facts are apparently silly and annoying things to you.
Have a great one!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)But I know that your posts have gotten increasingly hostile and ugly.
Back at you.
ProgressiveCentrist
(70 posts)Sanders closing with Cornel West and embracing idea of Buyer's Remorse with @POTUS, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe, whos endorsed and advised Clinton, wrote on Twitter on Sunday. Be honest then Senator - run firmly against Obama record.
That thought went viral among the Obama alums on Twitter.
Why is Sanders campaigning in Iowa with Cornel West, one of Obama's biggest critics, when Obama has a 90% approval among IA Dems? former Obama senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer wrote.
As the kids say
BOOM
MIC DROP
PWNED
Ouch that's going to leave a mark.
Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)ProgressiveCentrist
(70 posts)this is just the beginning of the Obama push back against a campaign premised on lies about Obama.
One of many being Obama dismantled his machine in 08 after being elected. That his revolution would be successful because he wouldn't do that.
Choosing West to front for him will turn out to be the fatal error that sunk his campaign.
From what I've seen from Bernie supporters online they will be happy to blame him.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts).... campaigns with them in IA and loses the PoC vote by 25% to Hillary.... That's an ass whoopin
and I don't think they know it yet
ProgressiveCentrist
(70 posts)Tad knew Bernie's liabilities when he created the liberty gambit.
Every questionable move has been to pander to whites. Create the Sander's map. Ditch the Obama coalition.
West is no accident. A mistake for sure. But not an accident.
Do you think they were unaware of west's rhetoric or standing with poc?
Do you think he was the only black person of stature willing to stump for him?
Rhetorical questions I know
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roguevalley
(40,656 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... of Obama without context and associating himself with people like Bigga and West
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(12,769 posts)Feel the Bern!!!!!!!
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)minorities just might get TV or the internet any day now. Or you can just teach them.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)They are not bowing down to Hillary or forgetting the damage she and her husband have done to their communities and the country.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I don't believe POC will turn out at all for Hillary. Iowa is hardly representative of the country.
Here are some good reasons they are turning against her:
Welfare reform
Prison Industrial Complex
$12 an hour minimum wage
Pro death penalty
Pro war
IWR vote
Ties to Wall street
Her disgustingly vile comments about Obama in 2008
There is no way POC are going to vote for that once they know there is someone like Bernie.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... and here's a retort to the Clinton Bag of Bad
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/3/1479556/-Answer-for-Bernie-Supporters-from-a-Clinton-Supporter
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(12,769 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-needs-more-than-the-tie-he-got-in-iowa/
"Iowa and New Hampshire also lack nonwhite voters, who form a huge part of the Democratic base. Can Sanders win over some of these voters? Clinton has held a lead among nonwhites of nearly 40 percentage points in national polls. In Nevada, which votes after the New Hampshire primary, the electorate for the Democratic caucuses in 2008 was 15 percent Hispanic and 15 percent black. After Nevada comes South Carolina, where a majority of Democratic voters will be black. Our polls-only forecast in South Carolina gives Clinton a 94 percent chance to win, and our polls-plus forecast gives her a 96 percent chance to win."
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(12,769 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)in a mostly white state she was lucky to pull this off. How ever it seems like in that state she killed it with non-white supporters. In the states that aren't white dominated, Bernie needs WAY more than a tie after he gets NH.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Iowa just to remain viable.
From Slate:
Bernie is toast after NH.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... 25 point spread among any demo is an ass kicking I don't care if Sanders came from -2423 billion down.
PoC in IA didn't want to be Bern Victims (tm)...
I don't know where people are pulling their facts from
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Funny that.
I can't wait to see the next meme die.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... but lost the PoC vote in IA to Clinton by 25%... that's an ass whoopin...
If he didn't reach PoC in IA after 3 months what the hell is going to be doing in SC in 3 weeks...
Nothing is over till its over... Just can't see him making tons of ground there
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... next year
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)He was a very good pollster. But he tried to branch out into general political insider / wonk. People trusted his analysis of politics because of his poll analysis, which always seemed like a stretch to me.
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BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)And I think he may already have.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)I voted for him twice but feel betrayed!
TPP is a freaking nightmare that we will have to live with and even now we don't know the ramifications!
jillan
(39,451 posts)Now we are moving on.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)He is a typical Establishment Democrat.
A Progressive would never, NEVER, offer up cuts to Social Security.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)the Tea Party was the only ones that wanted litmus tests.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)No wait it was Obama himself that made that analogy...
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/obama-considered-moderate-republican-1980s/story?id=17973080