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Related: About this forumDemocratic Women Senators "Arm Twisting" Warren To Endorse Hillary.
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Female Democratic senators are privately urging Sen. Elizabeth Warren to formally endorse Hillary Clinton for president.
The lobbying campaign comes as the Democratic race between Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is heating up going into the New Hampshire primary next week.
A group of Democratic senators is taking a bus tour of New Hampshire this weekend to stump for Clinton, and they want the liberal Massachusetts powerhouse to get on board. Clinton narrowly defeated Sanders in the Iowa caucuses earlier this week, but the Vermont senator is a heavy favorite to win New Hampshire.
A few of the senators have discussed with Warren the possibility of publicly backing Clinton. However, theyve been careful not to put a lot of public pressure on their colleague, who is fiercely independent and has a loyal following among progressives.
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A Democratic aide said the Senate women have been trying to do a little arm twisting in recent months
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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/268161-female-senators-urge-warren-back-hillary
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
Regardless of who gets in office, HRC or SBS, we need a new candidate for 2020.
.
valerief
(53,235 posts)askew
(1,464 posts)Talk about out of touch. Sanders is going to have to pick a much younger running mate for the same reason McCain did. Sanders is super old and voters are going to want assurances there is a qualified VP in place who isn't ancient. Where McCain went wrong is that he picked an unqualified young VP.
Warren is 66 years old.
I'd guess he picks someone who is younger and likely a woman. Though looking through the choices there aren't a whole lot of younger women in the Dem Party as possible VPs:
Amy Klobuchar is 55 and from the Midwest. She is insanely popular in Minnesota and would be an asset on the stump.
Tammy Baldwin is 53 and from Midwest. That would be something to have a gay VP nominee. Don't see it happening though.
Kristen Gillibrand is 49 but also from the East Coast.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)askew
(1,464 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)We can trust him, he's experienced, and he supports Bernie's policies.
monmouth4
(9,708 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)If and when Mrs. Clinton wins the nomination. Same for Bernie in regards to a Warren endorsement.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)her arm twisted like that. Because, you know, she is a delicate flower and she can't stand up to other people who might disagree with her, so they should never have asked her to endorse Hillary. Because she'll just get all weepy if she decides not to and has to say no.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)so for that reason I think she will not formally endorse, but will just speak around the edges and let her followers figure out who she supports from there.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)between her statement the other day and her floor speech last week, the only words she hasn't uttered are "i endorse bernie sanders for president of the united ststes."
if she was going to endorse clinton, she would hsve done it earlier while she was still inevitable.
her silence is speaking volumes
senz
(11,945 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)From a facebook post by New Hampshire State Representative Tim Smith from September 2015
# Yes, there has been enormous pressure to endorse a different candidate, but arm-twisting hasn't worked on me since middle school and did not influence my decision. Hopefully other legislators will see the enormous level of solidarity you have all given and be convinced that it's safe to do what's right instead of what's easy. #
Full post and link at http://www.democraticunderground.com/128054423
This is one reason I have not been impressed by the array of endorsements.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)We must get money out of the electoral process. It is killing democracy, killing the well-being of an entire people.
(You should consider running for office, arcane1.)
senz
(11,945 posts)as if those "endorsements" were based on anything other than self-preservation.
Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'd endorse another candidate just to get even.
global1
(25,253 posts)to not want a transformational person as their Party nominee. All stops are being pulled out to keep the status quo. Are they really concerned with The People that voted them in to represent us or are they only concerned about themselves and the big money flow to keep their jobs?
I'm sitting here watching all of this happened before my eyes and am saddened for our children and grandchildren that will be stuck living in a 1%er's world.
I'm so disillusioned now it isn't even funny - but it makes me want to work all the harder to get Bernie elected.
Go Bernie!!!
Feel the Bern!!!!
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Any politician espousing the maintenance of the status quo (Clinton first among them) is basing her / his platform on unrealistic expectations.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Therefore, she won't succumb to any arm twisting. If she at some point endorses Hillary, it will be because she believes in Hillary's message.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Although I am sure that some here on DU will claim they held a gun to her head if she does endorse Hillary!
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Exactly what is revolutionary about Sec. Clinton?
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Or maybe it's revolting.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Translation: Why not both?
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Neither by the establishment efforts and by Warren's refusal. Not downright endorsing Sanders is perhaps the only concession she was willing to make.
jillan
(39,451 posts)I get the feeling that Elizabeth has a mind of her own
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)When some people say that one specific woman has a mind of her own, what they really mean is that all other women never ever think for themselves.
By making such a plain seemingly non-sexist statement, they prove that all of Bernie's supporters are disgusting, spittle-spewing misogynists!
That's a low blow, so cut it out, because nine-eleven!
(I think I got the logic down, now.)
jillan
(39,451 posts)You are calling me a misogynist? Me? A woman who praises another woman?
Unreal. A new low.
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)left off the sarcasm thingy
jillan
(39,451 posts)Mike__M
(1,052 posts)is offensive, and the logic of some of the arguments is insulting.
Not least Secretary Clinton's "shouting" complaint from last Fall. She was right that some people call out "shouting" as a sexist attack, but to accuse Sanders of that is ridiculous--attacking his strong points, as they say. I was pro-Sanders, but not anti-Clinton until she started that.
The "silly season" is really twisty! I should be more careful. But I probably won't be.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Sometimes I have to take a deep breath and remind myself that in the end we all want the same thing.
Being a political junkie during election season should come with warning stickers
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)On Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:30 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
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Bernie's supporters are all disgusting, spittle-spewing misogynists? Because I, a woman, praised another woman?
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I doubt Warren caves to these measures and I give anyone who resists
this bullshit a lot of credit.
Why don't they spend their energy and time telling Clinton to stop
funding her campaign through WS?
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)It's like this NEVER happens across hundreds and thousands of years of politicking.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)That ain't gonna happen. As it turns out the women in Congress have never gotten onboard with Warren in her fight for middle class Americans and against the "too big to fail" Banks so yes Hiilary fans you're dreaming.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)elias49
(4,259 posts)Democratic Women Senators "Arm Twisting" Warren To Endorse Hillary.
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brooklynite
(94,598 posts)...and why does she need "cred" with anyone but the voters of Massachusetts?
cali
(114,904 posts)Why do you think hill wants her endorsement so badly? Because Warren has a ton of cred with progressives across the country, particularly on economic inequality.
senz
(11,945 posts)Not all positions are circumscribed by man-made power structures and not everyone has to sell out to get ahead.
Seriously, brooklynite.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)especially her female supporters.
djean111
(14,255 posts)vote for someone, especially since I hate war, fracking, the TPP, cluster bombs, and H-1B visas. It is abhorrent to me to think that I would overlook all of those things, just to vote for some woman.
montanacowboy
(6,093 posts)I think we all would like a female president, but sure as hell not this one.
senz
(11,945 posts)Contrary to once-popular opinion, we are not all airheads.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)This is fucking embarrassing.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)They may have some political dirt on her, who knows. Or may give an implied threat of shunning or withholding future support.
senz
(11,945 posts)Fortunately, these people depend on public support and we, as aware citizens, can apply our own pressure on them. They need us more than they need their group support.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)And the other people with girl parts are putting pressure on her to do so.
That's a hell of a way to campaign.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)are adults because they seem to be acting like a high school clique.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)They can't stand independent thinking.
Even if Warren ends up endorsing HRC it will be on her terms not the arm twisters. Shame on them.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)vote for Hillary.
senz
(11,945 posts)And any female who paid attention during grade school, middle school, high school, college, social organizations, the work force -- and, yes, message boards -- knows exactly what I am talking about.
Self-respecting women resist group think.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)And mark my words, she will sooner or later.
senz
(11,945 posts)and then only in a most perfunctory way, and we would all know how perfunctory it is.
But she will not be pressured and coerced into betraying her own values, which is a good thing, wouldn't you agree, CajunBlazer?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Do you think there might be a way, a little something, that could frighten her and make her do it?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)It was a group letter, very collegial, meant nothing. If Warren had been the only female Dem senator to decline to sign, she would have looked very strange.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)She is not one to follow the leader. She would not sign a group letter unless she believe in its contents. If you disagree you don't know Elizabeth Warren
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I don't buy that.
senz
(11,945 posts)It's collegial. It's how you stay in good standing with your peer group.
I'll bet you know that, bettyellen.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Response to cali (Original post)
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Purveyor
(29,876 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)I believe Warren shall not be arm twisted. I know I wouldn't, anyway.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)I'm disappointed. I was expecting at least a picture of Elizabeth Warren sitting in a chair sweating, surrounded by the other senators giving her the third degree under bright lights. The title of your post was what got me expecting that.
Instead we get this: "However, theyve been careful not to put a lot of public pressure on their colleague, who is fiercely independent and has a loyal following among progressives."
A Democratic aide said the Senate women have been trying to do a little arm twisting in recent months "
Why shouldn't they try and convince Sen Warren to endorse Hillary? They're endorsing Hillary Clinton. I'll bet if the women in the Senate endorsing your chosen candidate were trying to get her to endorse Bernie the wording in your title would be quite different, but then that won't happen because, well, there aren't any.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)That's part of political contests.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)PATRICK
(12,228 posts)the entire woman's caucus. Then it says "a few" whose names are likely eminently guessable. This is neither a surprise or likely to bear any fruit.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)So far, a well earned following among progressives. As does Bernie Sanders.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It isn't a victory for women just to elect someone who is a woman president. By itself, it isn't anything.
oasis
(49,389 posts)hasn't yet endorsed Bernie.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)There should a tour with some of these celebrities:
https://berniesanders.com/artists/
...and then a speech by a politician who endorsed him.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Franken
Baldwin
Wyden
ALL are sullied by the stench of corporate campaign funding ... It's damaging to a person's integrity, to their essential goodness, to receive funds from corporate entities, because what is expected in return is nearly always - ANTI-worker ... ANTI-union ... ANTI-Fair taxation ... ANTI-public education ...ANTI-Social Security ... ANTI- EVERYTHING that regular working families hold dear ....
The whole lot of them need to be thrown out ...
valerief
(53,235 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Senator Warren is obviously able to think for herself.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)instead all we'll see is constant armtwisting and blackmail to drive up the ever-so-important ENDORSEMENTS like they're poker chips--one good for 500K votes, another just 10K