Henry Kissinger knows more about foreign policy than Bernie Sanders

[last1standing]

He used that knowledge to prop up the Pinochet government and to expand the Vietnam War.

Colin Powell knows more about foreign policy than Bernie Sanders.

He used his knowledge to lie about the dangers of Iraq so that we could invade a country that was not a threat.

Condoleeza Rice knows more about foreign policy than Bernie Sanders.

She continued the lies of the bush administration to ensure that the United States could continue to destabilize the entire Middle-East for years.

And yes, Hillary Clinton knows more about foreign policy than Bernie Sanders.

She used that knowledge to push for the bombing of Libya, another country that presented no threat to this country.

The combined knowledge of Kissinger, Powell, Rice, and Clinton has cost this world countless lives, countless wealth, and countless opportunities for peace.

In the end, the question isn't how much does our Commander in Chief know; the question is whether they have the judgment to make the right call when the warmongers start calling for blood.

Hillary Clinton has proved time and again that she lacks the necessary wisdom and judgment to be our Commander in Chief no matter how many world leaders she's helped kill.



Edited to add: A few posters have written to ask if they could use this OP in other social media venues. I'm very flattered by the requests and if anyone wants to use it, please do. There is no need for attribution. The important thing is to make sure as many people know there is a difference between knowing a fact and having the judgment to make the right decision.

[liberal_at_heart]

1. Well said!

[onecaliberal]

2. Hit the nail on the head.

[m-lekktor]

3. KnR!nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Knowing a lot isn't necessarily that great,

when most of what you know, or what you do with what you know, is bad.

[last1standing]

9. My mother always said I didn't know my "S" from my elbow.

Thanks. I fixed it.

[djean111]

6. Yes. And that goes along with "Hillary can get stuff done!"

That's what I am afraid of - the Third Way stuff that Hillary could get done.

[McKim]

67. Yes, Getting Things Done Like Wars in the Middle East

Yes, she can get things done, like wars and hostility in the Middle East, calling Iran our enemy. I mean really! Getting things done like overthrowing Ghaddafi and turning Libya into a failed state so ISIS can take it over. Getting things done like funding the rebels in Syria and letting the whole country self destruct. It scares the daylights out of me to think of what she will get done if selected President.

[Enthusiast]

117. Huge +1!

[immoderate]

7. I told you!

Judgement deals with the present. Experience applies to the past!

--imm

[JDPriestly]

36. Very true!

[840high]

87. .^that

[tecelote]

8. Brilliant!

Why Hillary has to be a hawk and is blind to the many thousands that die from her hand, I'll never understand.

Vote for Bernie and save lives while building a better America for all Americans.

Thanks for posting.

[last1standing]

10. "We came, we saw, he died!" Har Har Har!!!!

I could see Kissinger making the same joke.

[tecelote]

12. And Republicans applauding.

[last1standing]

13. That's the scary part. The repubs would love Hillary's foreign policy choices.

She's never met a bomb she didn't want to explode in a brown person's village.

[tecelote]

14. Obama promised to end our endless wars.

I believe he intended to.

Then he made Hillary S.O.S. and the wars have been perpetuated.

I'll bet he regrets that choice and regrets being unable to keep that promise.

[last1standing]

68. I can't let him completely off the hook but I do believe he wanted to end them.

But when you make a deal with a neoliberal hawk who wants more blood, and give her a prime position with which to wage war, that's what you get.

I understand why he made the deal he did, but it was still his final decision.

[Bubzer]

75. Huh. I hadn't considered that. Interesting point.

[amborin]

11. K&R

[KingCharlemagne]

15. A bunch of know-it-all geniuses got us into Vietnam too. Read Halberstam's

The Best and the Brightest for a masterful takedown of them.

[Enthusiast]

118. Huge +1!

[beam me up scottie]

16. Spot on, last1standing.

[TIME TO PANIC]

17. Excellent post!

[Uncle Joe]

18. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, last1standing.

[forest444]

19. Except Bush and Cheney, no one's done more to sully America's reputation abroad that Henry Kissinger

That takes skill, given how much most of the rest of the world admires American culture and lifestyle.

Wherever you go in the world, Kissinger - along with the aforementioned regime - is often mentioned as the very personification of America's dark side.

[RufusTFirefly]

39. I'll see you Henry, Dick, and Derp, and raise you Allen and John

I basically agree with you but felt these spawns of Satan deserved mention

[chervilant]

59. If you haven't already done so,

I recommend that you read "The American Age," by Walter LaFeber. It's quite an eye-opening history of US foreign policy. The Dulles boys were horrible.

[RufusTFirefly]

64. Thanks. I wasn't familiar with that book.

I do know of two others about the Dulles brothers though:

The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War
by Stephen Kinzer

The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government, by David Talbot

Haven't read either book (yet!), although I've read two other books by Kinzer and one by Talbot. I'll add LaFeber's book to my rapidly expanding list!

Thanks for the recommendation!

[forest444]

96. Hitler's bankers. You win.

According to most accounts, they - and Prescott Bush - are the people who were the most responsible for pushing our intelligence agencies into the malicious funk they've been in ever since.

[JDPriestly]

95. Thank you. Very interesting.

[forest444]

105. Sure, JD.

It's too bad people like our friend Henry will have to wait until the next life to face justice. Perhaps it's for the best; after all, he's 92 and of course incapable of atoning for anything. What would be the point.

[H2O Man]

20. Wow!

Very well said.

Recommended.

[Cleita]

21. I can't recommend the truth of your statements enough. eom

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. Nailed it!

[democrank]

23. Thank you for this post.

~PEACE~

[Jefferson23]

24. Hawk and the documentation supports that label.

The question, well one of them anyway, are enough Americans
sick of this world view and will they allow themselves to be
frightened enough to continue to support her.

Some clearly support an iron fist and her definition of diplomacy
is frightening as she explained herself the other night.

[frylock]

25. This should be an ad.

[SMC22307]

107. Yep. I'd leave out Colin Powell though, since many still think highly of him.

I'd make it one of those quiet ads that make you look up at the TV. Or one with outstanding music that really grabs your attention. I'd show imagery of all the "experts" and the disastrous effects of their foreign policy "knowledge." It would have to be done in such a way that viewers wouldn't feel like they were being beaten over the head with the message, or open Sanders to accusations of being "unpatriotic." Throw in digs at Wall Street and the war profiteers. It would end by praising Sanders and his overall good JUDGMENT, primarily on Iraq, and his unwavering support for veterans.

Yeah, someone in the biz could really create a brilliant ad.

[The Green Manalishi]

133. Respectfully disagree... in some ways Colin Powell was the worst

He squandered so much respect and good will. He could have run on the Democratic OR Republican ticket. I think a lot of people would never have supported the war if he hadn't have put his integrity on the line.

Dulles, Kissenger, Haig, Schultz, Rice.. you knew that you were getting a sleazy war hawk. But Colin was different; he 'got' Vietnam, he walked that line between military honor and not getting American boys killed needlessly. Or so we thought. Whe he sold out it was like a traitor opening the gates to the enemy. In a way he has more to answer for; he used his immense credibility (honestly earned) to sell a completely needless war that further and forever besmirched what little goodwill we had in the world, that reeked, and reeks of aggression on a par with the worst of the USSR and Third Reich.

Regards.

[SMC22307]

135. We're not in disagreement re: Powell.

But "the masses" think highly of him, and if he were used in an ad like that, it would backfire. I'd use images of Rice, Wolfowitz, Rumsfield, Feith, etc.

[The Green Manalishi]

139. ah... I get it

[WillyT]

27. Hear, Hear !!!

[EndElectoral]

28. And don't forget HRC's experience in Honduras

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/08/19/the-honduran-coups-ugly-aftermath/

The Honduran Coup’s Ugly Aftermath
August 19, 2015

Exclusive: As Secretary of State in 2009, Hillary Clinton helped a right-wing coup in Honduras remove an elected left-of-center president, setting back the cause of democracy and enabling corrupt and drug-tainted forces to tighten their grip on the poverty-stricken country, as Jonathan Marshall explains.

...

The Obama administration has expressed sympathy for anti-corruption movements in Central America, but has yet to acknowledge its failure to protect democracy in Honduras against a military coup in 2009, which set the stage for that country’s current crisis.

Bowing to pressure from conservative Republicans in Congress, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton refused to condemn the ouster of leftist President Manuel Zelaya in 2009. By her own admission, she began plotting within days to prevent him from returning to office.


Her recently released emails show that she sought help from a pro-coup lobbyist for Honduran business interests to establish communications with the new military-backed president. She also approved the continuation of U.S. aid to the illegitimate new regime, blocked demands by the Organization of American States for Zelaya’s return, and accepted subsequent presidential elections that were condemned by most international observers as unfair and marred by violent intimidation.

...

Another HRC triumph.


...And here's more -

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslatinamericaforeignpolicy.html

Hard choices: Hillary Clinton admits role in Honduran coup aftermath
Clinton’s embrace of far-right narrative on Latin America is part of electoral strategy
September 29, 2014 6:00AM ET
by Mark Weisbrot

In a recent op-ed in The Washington Post, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a review of Henry Kissinger’s latest book, “World Order,” to lay out her vision for “sustaining America’s leadership in the world.” In the midst of numerous global crises, she called for return to a foreign policy with purpose, strategy and pragmatism. She also highlighted some of these policy choices in her memoir “Hard Choices” and how they contributed to the challenges that Barack Obama’s administration now faces.

The chapter on Latin America, particularly the section on Honduras, a major source of the child migrants currently pouring into the United States, has gone largely unnoticed. In letters to Clinton and her successor, John Kerry, more than 100 members of Congress have repeatedly warned about the deteriorating security situation in Honduras, especially since the 2009 military coup that ousted the country’s democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya. As Honduran scholar Dana Frank points out in Foreign Affairs, the U.S.-backed post-coup government “rewarded coup loyalists with top ministries,” opening the door for further “violence and anarchy.”

The homicide rate in Honduras, already the highest in the world, increased by 50 percent from 2008 to 2011; political repression, the murder of opposition political candidates, peasant organizers and LGBT activists increased and continue to this day. Femicides skyrocketed. The violence and insecurity were exacerbated by a generalized institutional collapse. Drug-related violence has worsened amid allegations of rampant corruption in Honduras’ police and government. While the gangs are responsible for much of the violence, Honduran security forces have engaged in a wave of killings and other human rights crimes with impunity.

Despite this, however, both under Clinton and Kerry, the State Department’s response to the violence and military and police impunity has largely been silence, along with continued U.S. aid to Honduran security forces. In “Hard Choices,” Clinton describes her role in the aftermath of the coup that brought about this dire situation. Her firsthand account is significant both for the confession of an important truth and for a crucial false testimony.

....

It is simply reprehensible.

[pangaia]

35. Too bad Bernie is too gracious to bring all this up..

[EndElectoral]

38. He needs to bring this up. Perception is his foreign policy is weak. HRC's is a disaster.

[pangaia]

45. I agree.

Kissinger, Rice, Baker, Bush the Elder, Clinton. et al.. All one big club.

That's a whole other huge issue.. Disaster Capitalism.--- we practice it throughout the world..

South America, ME, Africa, Indonesia, South Asia. It is mind boggling.

Don't tell me for one second that Hillary didn't know exactly what the invasion of Iraq was about. Shit, "I", "EYE", "ME", "I" knew.
She's lying through her teeth.

[Enthusiast]

120. They've kept the United States safe from single payer.

[pangaia]

140. Well, that sure is ONE way to put it. :>)))

[NJCher]

124. But, but

She said she was sorry.

Cher

[polly7]

144. Also agree, 100%. nt.

[last1standing]

40. Exactly! All these shouts of "experience" mean nothing when she never learns from her mistakes.

I think the real problem is her bloody choices haven't actually been mistakes, they've been calculated decisions to increase the wealth of her associates and herself.

[bread_and_roses]

86. Yes - TY & TY to others upthread too & last1standing

The toll of these actions - the endless death and destruction - are beyond appalling.

[shadowmayor]

89. Zelaya

Kicked out of his country wearing pajamas. A real blot on this administration and on HRC. All of it done so western (especially Canadian) gold companies could extract resources from Honduras at will. Today, Nicaragua is the stable formerly war-torn nation in Central America. Women and children showing up on our border were from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador - the three countries where we have had our hands on the steering wheel for decades. The one country out of our grasp - Nicaragua seems to be faring much better. Watched a travel show a while back and dude was advocating that hitch-hiking was a great way to see Nicaragua. Try that in Honduras and see where you end up?

Thanks for reminding people that the American Empire slogs onward, and Pax Americana is a Wall Street myth. The mess in Venezuela is much in part due to Uncle Sam's meddling in their affairs at the expense of the poor working class in favor of the landed gentry and business class. As is always the case in Latin America.

What did the people in Central America ever do to the people of the United States??

What did the Iraqi people ever do to the people of the United States??

[Oilwellian]

94. Considering our recent history with Central and South American countries

the Honduran coup would not have occurred if it did not have our blessing. Obama condemned the action and asked that Zelaya be returned to power. Then all you heard from was Hillary.

This is an excellent article covering the events of the coup and Hillary's involvement. For no other reason, this is why she should never be given control of this country. When I hear her talk about how much she cares about women and children, I think of the Honduran children as young as three and four, being put on a train by their terrified parents, with the hope they will live another day. Can you imagine how desperate they had to be to say goodbye to their child, put them on a train and hope they survived?

To make matters worse, when the children began pouring across our border by the thousands, Hillary said in an interview with Amanpour that they should be sent back. I think that should be put on her resume. Another failed state under Hillary's watch, and this one in particular was for Uncle Lanny.

It's always about the money, and corruption, and people die because of it.

Clinton herself even gets dangerously close to confessing a role in keeping Zelaya out of office in her book “Hard Choices,” in which she discussed the hard choice to ignore the most basic tenets of democracy and international norms:

“In the subsequent days [after the coup] I spoke with my counterparts around the hemisphere…We strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot.”

One of those strategic partners appears to have been Clinton family legal pitbull, Lanny Davis, deployed as an auxiliary weapon against the rightful, legal, democratically elected president of Honduras. Davis famously defended President Bill Clinton during his impeachment proceedings, and he’s been on Team Clinton for decades, most recently serving as a booster for Hillary’s campaign in its early days.

Davis, along with another close Clinton associate Bennett Ratcliff, launched a Washington lobbying offensive in support of the coup government and its oligarchic backers, penning a Wall Street Journal op-ed, testifying before a Congressional committee, and undoubtedly knocking on office doors on Capitol Hill, where he enjoys bipartisan connections, which valuable asset he demonstrated during his committee hearing.

“If you want to understand who the real power behind the [Honduran] coup is, you need to find out who’s paying Lanny Davis,” said Robert White, former ambassador to El Salvador, just a month after the coup. Speaking to Roberto Lovato for the American Prospect, Davis revealed who that was: “My clients represent the CEAL, the [Honduras Chapter of] Business Council of Latin America.” In other words, the oligarchs who preside over a country with a 65 percent poverty rate. The emerging understanding, that the powerful oligarchs were behind the coup, began to solidify, and the Clinton clique’s allegiances were becoming pretty clear. If you can believe it, Clinton’s team sided with the wealthy elite.

Salon

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

127. This comment alone should be an OP.

I constantly hear how Clinton has 'worked for women and children' her entire career, but her war-hawk policies have caused more harm to women and children than anything she's done for a specific subset of women and children.

[bvar22]

148. She has killed more women & children than she has "helped".

Her Body Count is up there with Henry Kissinger's,
and they make such a cute couple.

[Arazi]

155. +1 plus her vote in support of cluster bombs

Demonstrates she's fully embraced being a war hawk

[Cheese Sandwich]

29. yup + a billion

[pangaia]

30. Wisdom and judgement..

Bernie Sanders is not a Disaster Capitalist.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

31. Woot! Woot! Bernie and his camp need to crush this "she's the expert" meme

Teach a course on foreign policy, Hillary, we're tired of your "dumb" wars.

[FailureToCommunicate]

32. Excellent rebuttal !

[hibbing]

33. I cringed when I heard her mention him

Had to look up from my laptop and then say wth, turned back to Du and someone had already posted about it.


Peace

[Joe Chi Minh]

34. I believe Henry is the Chairman of the Governors of that venerable

institute of higher learning, the School of the Americas, isn't he ? Also, I believe I heard that that London-based Observatory of Human Rights, pronouncing on atrocities and war crimes in Iraq and Syria, is affiliated to the School of the Americas. Would that be right ? The world certainly needs such bulwarks of freedom, democracy and plain common decency, doesn't it ?

[Mbrow]

37. Good Post

K&R

[Gman]

41. What a completely dishonest OP

Do you guys message back and forth about what you can come up with next?

[last1standing]

44. You've made a nasty claim but have made no argument. Is that you Hillary?

n/t

[retrowire]

63. Like Hillary supporters do on

hillarysupporters.com and jackassradicals?

No, we maintain original thought.

[treestar]

83. Plus expecting the voters

to see the SOS as having "killed" people when there was a war of any kind.

[last1standing]

90. You keep posting Hillarys instead of making true statements.

Do you really think twisting the truth into an absolute Hillary is going to work?

[treestar]

132. What?

Word salad.

Face it, the average voter will not respond to the description of a President during wartime as the "killer" of the people who died.

[last1standing]

137. Again, you aren't responding to anything that has been posted.

You're making things up the argument you wish was being discussed and staking out a position from there - just like NoHope Hillary does. Making shit up and expecting others to go along with it is now being called "pulling a Hillary" as that's her modus operandi.

To make it even more clear for you. I'm not falling for your bullshit strawman arguments that have nothing to do with the OP. That kind of argument is pathetic and those who use them should be shamed for their willing deceptions.

[Arazi]

154. Hey hey LBJ, how many people did you kill today?

[rhett o rick]

85. There is nothing dishonest in the OP. If you disagree please point it out.

As far as messaging back and forth, that is purely projection. We know all about the "Think Tank" and the list of tactics.

[Logical]

110. Brilliant analysis, NOT, you sound fucking desperate! Nt

[Enthusiast]

121. The OP is a marvel of honesty and relevancy. The OP should receive an award.

[bbmykel]

42. Yes!

Nice post.

We need to change the "conventional wisdom" on both economics and foreign policy and Bernie can do that!

[moondust]

43. Well said.

[d_legendary1]

46. In short Foreign Policy = Who do we bomb next?

Makes sense if all they can talk about is bombing (insert foreign nation boggie man here) back to the stone age. Military intervention should always be a last resort.

[PatrynXX]

47. although Libya have to disagree on that one

but hey we can't all agree. however it was a mistake to get the nimrod killed. smh. that was a major error. similar to the debacle Bush faced when the video of Saddams Hanging made it out to the known world.

[pangaia]

48. All one big club.

Copy of my post below...


Kissinger, Rice, Baker, Bush the Elder, Clinton. et al.. All one big club.

That's a whole other huge issue.. Disaster Capitalism.--- we practice it throughout the world..

South America, ME, Africa, Indonesia, South Asia. It is mind boggling.

Don't tell me for one second that Hillary didn't know exactly what the invasion of Iraq was about. Shit, "I", "EYE", "ME", "I" knew.
She's lying through her teeth.

[Ferd Berfel]

49. Kissinger is a war criminal and should have been in the Hague years ago

hellovathing to model yourself after

[Mira]

50. Yeah I got to give this the 100th recommendation

I love it when that happens to something this important

[last1standing]

51. And the 50th post in the thread!

You're hitting all the milestones today.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

52. I already knew she was keeping score. She considers Gaddafi to be her personal trophy....

Last night she talked about bin Laden as if his head was on her wall too.

[treestar]

53. Apples and Oranges

It's one thing to know a lot and a different thing to misuse the knowledge. You're implying that simply having knowledge is evil. Sort of like just having money is evil. It's oversimplified.

[last1standing]

54. That's not even close to what I wrote. Maybe you need to try again.

But you often find a way to "misread" posts you don't like so it's not likely your opinion will change.

[treestar]

82. You listed people who know a lot about foreign policy and then mentioned

bad things you thought they did, then equated Hillary with them for knowing a lot about foreign affairs. In effect you are implying that knowing a lot means doing what you see as bad things.

[last1standing]

84. Nope. Second strike. Try again.

Making shit up doesn't make it true. You're not NoHope Hillary.

[Logical]

111. You are not making any sense. Nt

[rynestonecowboy]

136. It's called deflection.

Hillary is a pro at it.

[last1standing]

141. It's called desperation wrapped up in a strawman.

And it positively reeks of NoHope Hillary.

[retrowire]

55. Where are the Hillary supporters?

This discussion is in the GD: P correct?

[last1standing]

57. There have been two so far.

One claimed the OP was dishonest but can't explain how. The second called it "apples to oranges" then proceeded to distort everything I wrote.

Sounds about right for NoHope Hillary supporters.

[last1standing]

97. Update: 4 Hillary supporters but not one willing to take the OP head on.

One claimed I was saying that having no knowledge was a good thing, another started talking about Madeline Albright. It must be rather embarrassing for them knowing they support a candidate who emulates some of the worst past Secretaries in history so they're not showing up.

[dae]

56. Bravo!

[lexington filly]

58. One may "know" and lack "judgment," but how do you have good judgment without "knowing?"

I don't get this thread. It seems folks are praising a lack of knowledge rather than pressing Bernie to cram and broaden his knowledge about important foreign policy and national security issues. Knowledge upon which to base judgment is critical, especially when one lacks the experience. Denying he has a problem in this area isn't going to get him elected. Just saying......

[last1standing]

62. He had the knowledge and good judgment to vote against killing innocent Iraqis. Did NoHope Hillary?

Bernie has knowledge and good judgment. NoHope Hillary does not.

Does that clear it up for you?

[The Wielding Truth]

74. Bernie does not have the foreign affairs creds that Hill has, but he has the judgment to protect

us and the world.

Democrats -left leaning with courage- have to get us out of this mess that the Corp lackeys have slipped us into.Allowing FOX to poison the minds of so many to vote against there own interests and allowing Citizens United to rob us of the power of our vote and the money of the very wealthy to buy representatives who have and will dismantle our government to the point where we cannot even speak our piece.

It is Bernie not Hillary who has awakened so many with a message of WE THE PEOPLE.

How will we hold her to her mirror image of Bernie? Once nominated will her message change again? The Right Wing is very powerful and very anti Clinton. If she is our nominee will she be able to get any more done than a man whose life work has been to profess the realities around us when she has taken help from the huge donors that have controlled political decisions?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

128. When you go to the doctor, you do so because you have a problem

but you don't 'know' enough about it. You work with him, using your judgement with his knowledge, to figure out how to solve your problem.

Every President winds up with huge numbers of people who 'know' surrounding them. No President 'knows' everything they need to to fix every problem, which is why they all have so many advisors.

Hillary has more 'experience' in foreign affairs, but less experience in other things. That's no slur on Hillary, that's called 'being a human being'. You only get experience by doing things, and you only have so much time - if you're doing X, you're getting experience in X, and don't have that time to be getting experience in Y. So Bernie has more experience in domestic issues, Hillary in foreign affairs. Right now, the problems facing the United States are mostly domestic, things we've inflicted upon ourselves, although thanks to the foreign affairs types who 'know', we do have plenty of foreign problems too.

[wolfie001]

60. In other words.....

.....OUCH!!!! That hurts..........

Go Bernie!

[whatchamacallit]

61. Huge K&R!

I'll keep this handy cuz I know we'll be hearing the "experience argument" again.

[madfloridian]

65. .....

[SHRED]

66. K and R

[nikto]

69. Bernie trashes neocon Ashton ("Russia is The Enemy") Carter

Ashton picks Russia as #1 threat.

Bernie says an alienated North Korea is far more dangerous.

WIN: Bernie.

Warmongering loser: Ashton Farter.

[sulphurdunn]

70. Our foreign policy

is controlled by neocons, which is remarkable, considering they are warmongers and are always wrong. Sanders should consider saying the obvious about the serious problems with our neocon foreign policy and quit deferring to Clinton's 'experience.' How's that worked for us?

[Thespian2]

71. K & R!!!

[greiner3]

72. Henry Kissinger is a war criminal

Nuff said

[azurnoir]

73. It isn't necessarily how much knowledge you have but what you do with that knowledge

[dlwickham]

76. Madeline Albright knows more than Bernie Sanders

Madeline Albright knows more than Bernie Sanders as does John Kerry

[last1standing]

78. When Madeline Albight throws her hat in the ring I'll consider her judgment.

Not really sure what your comment had to do with the OP other than that.

[frylock]

102. Madeleine Albright - The deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it

[Art_from_Ark]

104. You mean, Madeleine "500,000 dead Iraqi kids was worth it" Albright?

Madeleine "What good is a military if you can't use it" Albright?

THAT Madeleine Albright?

[Logical]

112. Lol, do more research. Nt

[Enthusiast]

122. Madeline Albright knows more than Hillary.

[Duval]

77. K&R!

[dchill]

79. This has been my opinion of "experience" in foreign policy...

for decades. Power is a hunger that many can't seem to satiate. American foreign policy needs to go on a diet.

[ozone_man]

80. You're too kind. They are all war criminals.

Including Hillary.

[last1standing]

81. At that level, you're not a criminal, you're a statesman/stateswoman.

Criminals are "those" people who don't have a power structure to shield them.

[grntuscarora]

88. +1000

[shadowmayor]

91. Henry friggin' Kissinger

The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.

[Paka]

92. K&R

[rwsanders]

93. SHOUT IT OUT!!!

[Iggy Knorr]

98. K&R

We don't need that brand of foreign policy...

Hit the road, war criminals and those who give them lap dances.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

99. Bernie 1, Dr. Strangelove 0. n/t

[azmom]

100. K&R

[John Poet]

101. BIG HUGE KICK!~

I DO NOT "stand proudly" with Hillary, or her war-criminal pal Henry Kissinger.

[AllyCat]

103. My first thought when I read the thread title was: "Yesh, and what did he do with

that knowledge?" Thank you for succinctly pointing out what the war mongers do with that knowledge.

[avaistheone1]

106. You said it.

k&r

[burrowowl]

108. K&R!!!!!!

[SoapBox]

109. Yuppers!

As others said...nailed it.

[BainsBane]

113. Without knowledge one cannot exercise judgment

Without interest, one cannot acquire knowledge. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-foreign-policy-deficit-218431

There are two possible explanations for Sanders failure to surround himself with a team of foreign policy experts to prepare him for becoming President: 1) he doesn't really expect to be elected president; 2) he's not interested; or of course a combination of both.

He may not have thought he would get the nomination when he started running, but he is now at least a credible contender. That means he has a responsible to begin to learn about the world. If he is going to stay in the race, he needs to take the presidency seriously, which requires studying up on foreign policy.

We had a president who didn't know anything about foreign policy. His name was George Bush. His lack of knowledge meant he was easily misled by advisers. Yet even George W Bush had a foreign policy team during the election. All candidates do, everyone except Bernie.

Choosing to remain uninformed is not admirable. It is in fact dangerous.

[islandmkl]

129. sucks to only have two possible explanations...for about anything...

Bernie needs to get in the phone book and find all the fucking advisors who got us where we are now...they have between 0-and- 60+ years of 'EXPERIENCE' and are all (the ones still functioning and not already 'engaged') itching to finally win a war and dominate the world...

[last1standing]

138. Another NoHope Hillary fan already tried this strawman. I'm not biting.

When you want to discuss the merits of the actual OP, come on back. Posting strawman arguments is shameful.

[2pooped2pop]

114. Wow supporting Kissinger now are we?

How pathetic. But the desperation is HILLARYous.

[cascadiance]

115. Hillary knew a lot more about negotiating the TPP with member countries as SOS...

... and yet she didn't know enough to have a public opinion about the treaty until shortly before the first Democratic debate, long after congress passed Fast Track.

I guess Bernie and Anonymous must not know as much as she did about it if she was SOS earlier...

[Enthusiast]

116. Kicked and gladly casting the 274th recommendation.

Thank you, last1standing.

The foreign policy experience argument was nothing but a farce. You did an excellent job of putting their false argument into context.

[silenttigersong]

119. Bernie Sanders

Would have the guidance of two of the most respected. Intellectuals of the country_Noam Chomsky and Dear brotherDr. Cornell West-just saying

[postulater]

123. Wisdom allows judgement that supports action.

[saltpoint]

125. From Charles Pierce's Feb. 5 entries in

Esquire magazine:

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a41872/hillary-clinton-henry-kissinger-endorsement/

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

126. Boom, talking point destroyed.

Good job.

[99Forever]

130. Exactly. n/t

[noretreatnosurrender]

131. Thank you

Thank you for the post. I practically spit out my coffee when Hillary used the name of Kissinger during the debate the other night. She might as well have been praising Dick Cheney, as he and Kissinger are both war criminals in my view.

[Gregorian]

134. Experience doesn't replace judgment. Go Bernie!

[left lowrider]

142. If Sanders said this in a debate

the contest would be won.

[last1standing]

143. Thanks, I have noticed that not a single NoHope Hillary fan has been able to rebut the OP.

The vast majority of her supporters have completely ignored the thread and the very few who have tried to challenge it have done so with shameful attempts at building strawman arguments.

Based on that, I'd suggest that any NoHope Hillary support who crows about her "experience" after this does not believe their own words. It won't stop them, but it should be noted.

[dixiegrrrrl]

145. Well said, indeed.

[LynneSin]

146. If she's nominated she is still better than any of the GOP candidates

Just saying

[last1standing]

147. But she is still much worse than the other Democratic candidate.

Isn't the purpose of this forum to discuss the qualifications of our candidates during the primaries so that we can choose the best one as our nominee?

If that isn't the case, please correct me. Otherwise, my post stands as I believe it clearly lays out an incredibly big problem with one of our candidates and her judgment in handling work events, despite her attempts to base her campaign on "experience."

So now I'll ask, do you have any comment on NoHope Hillary's foreign policy judgment or was your post merely an attempt to suggest we should not bring up her major policy and character flaws?

Just asking

[creatives4innovation]

149. Kudos

And thanks, will use!

[last1standing]

150. You're very welcome.

I hope it helps overcome this silly belief that because NoHope Hillary can can recall the names of more despots that she somehow has the judgment to make the best foreign policy decisions for this country. History has proved this isn't true.

[Mike Nelson]

151. Konowing more doesn't mean they'll make the correct choices...

I doubt Bernie would pick Kissinger, Powell or Rice as his Secretary of State. He might offer Hillary the job.

[last1standing]

152. I don't have a crystal ball, but I very much doubt it.

NoHope Hillary's terrible judgment is exactly what Bernie's campaigning against.

[Jefferson23]

153. This is Clintons world view and it is horrific.n/t