2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumJust got back from voting in Ohio. One election official told us that
turn out has been steady and about 10% have voted already. Don't know if he meant statewide, county wide or just our little neck of the woods, but I do know this was the first time I have ever had to stand in line and wait to vote.
Ninga
(8,275 posts)onethatcares
(16,172 posts)and got kicked in the teeth when the shrub got reelected.
I'm hoping for the best, planning for the worst and voting Democratic.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Obama leads by an average of 5.5 points:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/oh/ohio_romney_vs_obama-1860.html
The final Ohio pull had Bush winning by an average of 2.1 points:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/oh_polls.html
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)KaryninMiami
(3,073 posts)If it goes below that, between the machine rigging and the suppression, they will skim between 1-3 points off or so on average. And even if the exit polls predict and Obama win, they will say it was within the margin of error or the exit polls were wrong. Which is why we need at least a 4 or 5 point lead.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)I anticipate the numbers could narrow a bit when the undecideds eventually pick a side. Right now, 7% in the average are either undecided or voting for someone else. Let's just assume 1% vote for someone else and the rest, 6%, are undecided. Romney is likely to pick up more undecided votes than Obama, since historically that's what happens with the challenger. So, say Romney wins 70% of the undecideds ... that's 4.2, right? That gives him 48% and Obama would then get the remainder (1.8), which would be 51.5.
So, I'd wager Obama wins Ohio 51.5 to 48 ... a 3.5 margin.
Bainbridge Bear
(155 posts)the 2004 vote in Ohio was stolen. At least this time Ken Blackwell isn't around to help steal the election like he did then. These Rethug operatives have no shame. To them, winning is everything and they will subvert the electoral system in any way that they can.
KaryninMiami
(3,073 posts)Diebold's Wally O'Dell and Blackwell. Criminals. Both of them. No shame is too polite.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)Jennifer Brunner is out and now we have Jon Husted, who has already proven to be a Hackwell minime.
Like you, I won't trust them to NOT be crooks and thieves ... because they are, every single one, to the core of their being.
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)high turnout also.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)I just have a bad vibe about this somehow; deja vu 2004.
I carried poll updates from my precinct to my local Kerry headquarters on Election Day 2004. Around 5 p.m. on Election Day, the HQ was absolutely convinced that Kerry would win Ohio. This was but just a few hours before polls closed, when experts could make a fairly sure prediction about how the state would go. Kerry lost Ohio by a 2% margin. We all know what happened elsewhere.
My only hope is that this time, if there is ANY hint of ANY inpropriety, the Obama campaign challenges it, and challenges it hard, even if that means stalling the process indefinitely. I don't care if that means until the Second Coming.
This country absolutely cannot take again the same kind of fuckery that happened in 2004. But a part of me is afraid that that is exactly what we're going to see.
I truly can't get my hopes up right now. I don't trust the process anymore.
EDIT: If not clear, this was in Montgomery County, Ohio, one of the counties that Kerry did win.
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)DemzRock
(1,016 posts)Ford_Prefect
(7,901 posts)They are the worst sort of opportunistic creeps. They will use ANY advantage they can think of and subscribe to the theory that if they aren't caught it was the right thing to do. If they are caught it was not their fault, just like the recently disclosed voter dis-registration ploy in Florida and elsewhere.
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)WCGreen
(45,558 posts)Each BOE keeps their own stuff and then sends it down to the SOS office.
realFedUp
(25,053 posts)No telling what happens in between Republican's crimes.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)in Indiana the Sec of State is in charge of the polls..So if he is a Republican it would not surprise me if votes were lost and then covered up the theft..Thats what happen in 2004 with Blackwell I think that was his name.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_bob_fitr_071214_ohio_secretary_of_st.htm
I think that the Obama campaign has plenty of lawyers all about to make sure votes are not compromised but that doesn't mean they can detect that computer chip that switches votes.
I wont be satisfied until I hear Rmoney's concession speech.
In this video Blackwell (co-hcair of Ohio Bush reelection camapign and sec of state)
...An interview with ken Blackwell dodging questions about 2004 election)
Go to 36min on the video where the author of a book about the power of Rove explains the exit polling verses the vote count
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/28/ex_ohio_secretary_of_state_ken
hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)This election is personal for me. So I'm grateful to all who take the time out of their busy lives to vote for Obama.
Thank you. I will be voting myself as soon as early voting begins in my state.
cr8tvlde
(1,185 posts)Republican election fraud, coming off of the massive registration fraud, that these lower election officials will be more concerned by actual fraud and not so easily "bought".
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)All those early votes. Lots of time for Repukes to either switch votes or lose ballots.
Maeve
(42,282 posts)First time I've voted in-person in a couple of years, but I get more satisfaction out of that then just sending in a ballot.
F. Kafka
(70 posts)and I'm darn excited to do so.