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madmom

(9,681 posts)
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:39 PM Oct 2012

Just got back from voting in Ohio. One election official told us that

turn out has been steady and about 10% have voted already. Don't know if he meant statewide, county wide or just our little neck of the woods, but I do know this was the first time I have ever had to stand in line and wait to vote.

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Just got back from voting in Ohio. One election official told us that (Original Post) madmom Oct 2012 OP
How exciting! I think we will head downtown to vote tomorrow. This feels historic to me. Ninga Oct 2012 #1
I felt that way in 2004 onethatcares Oct 2012 #2
One good thing: Obama consistently leads in the polls there. Kerry consistently trailed... Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #3
but is that the adjusted poll? where they change the poll results to match the outcome? robinlynne Oct 2012 #7
No. They were survey polls released before the election. Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #8
It needs to stay at at least a 4 or 5 point lead KaryninMiami Oct 2012 #14
I wouldn't be shocked if it narrowed. Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #16
I sympathize with you Bainbridge Bear Oct 2012 #11
I remember that time so well. KaryninMiami Oct 2012 #15
Yes, but the repukes are back in the SoS's office Doremus Oct 2012 #17
I believe they said the wisconsin recall vote had okieinpain Oct 2012 #20
I feel exactly the same way. AngryOldDem Oct 2012 #21
Tabulators. CrispyQ Oct 2012 #22
out of curiousity where in the state do you live? WI_DEM Oct 2012 #4
NW corner madmom Oct 2012 #13
If they were ahead in Ohio 2004, then why did they cheat? n/t DemzRock Oct 2012 #5
They cheated to make certain they would win, and because they could. Ford_Prefect Oct 2012 #6
Your title sums it up perfectly. NCLefty Oct 2012 #10
Probably in your neck of the woods... WCGreen Oct 2012 #9
Lock those votes in a vault realFedUp Oct 2012 #12
Don't know how it works in Ohio but INdemo Oct 2012 #18
Just saying "thank you" for waiting in line, etc. hamsterjill Oct 2012 #19
Something hopefully tells me since there seems to be a lot of obvious pre-concern regarding cr8tvlde Oct 2012 #23
Scares me the amount of time before the general election LiberalLovinLug Oct 2012 #24
Columbus area voting center was busy today, too Maeve Oct 2012 #25
I'll be voting in SW Ohio on Friday F. Kafka Oct 2012 #26

onethatcares

(16,172 posts)
2. I felt that way in 2004
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:33 PM
Oct 2012

and got kicked in the teeth when the shrub got reelected.

I'm hoping for the best, planning for the worst and voting Democratic.

KaryninMiami

(3,073 posts)
14. It needs to stay at at least a 4 or 5 point lead
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:08 PM
Oct 2012

If it goes below that, between the machine rigging and the suppression, they will skim between 1-3 points off or so on average. And even if the exit polls predict and Obama win, they will say it was within the margin of error or the exit polls were wrong. Which is why we need at least a 4 or 5 point lead.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
16. I wouldn't be shocked if it narrowed.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:14 PM
Oct 2012

I anticipate the numbers could narrow a bit when the undecideds eventually pick a side. Right now, 7% in the average are either undecided or voting for someone else. Let's just assume 1% vote for someone else and the rest, 6%, are undecided. Romney is likely to pick up more undecided votes than Obama, since historically that's what happens with the challenger. So, say Romney wins 70% of the undecideds ... that's 4.2, right? That gives him 48% and Obama would then get the remainder (1.8), which would be 51.5.

So, I'd wager Obama wins Ohio 51.5 to 48 ... a 3.5 margin.

 

Bainbridge Bear

(155 posts)
11. I sympathize with you
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:28 PM
Oct 2012

the 2004 vote in Ohio was stolen. At least this time Ken Blackwell isn't around to help steal the election like he did then. These Rethug operatives have no shame. To them, winning is everything and they will subvert the electoral system in any way that they can.

KaryninMiami

(3,073 posts)
15. I remember that time so well.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:13 PM
Oct 2012

Diebold's Wally O'Dell and Blackwell. Criminals. Both of them. No shame is too polite.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
17. Yes, but the repukes are back in the SoS's office
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:55 AM
Oct 2012

Jennifer Brunner is out and now we have Jon Husted, who has already proven to be a Hackwell minime.

Like you, I won't trust them to NOT be crooks and thieves ... because they are, every single one, to the core of their being.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
21. I feel exactly the same way.
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:29 PM
Oct 2012

I just have a bad vibe about this somehow; deja vu 2004.

I carried poll updates from my precinct to my local Kerry headquarters on Election Day 2004. Around 5 p.m. on Election Day, the HQ was absolutely convinced that Kerry would win Ohio. This was but just a few hours before polls closed, when experts could make a fairly sure prediction about how the state would go. Kerry lost Ohio by a 2% margin. We all know what happened elsewhere.

My only hope is that this time, if there is ANY hint of ANY inpropriety, the Obama campaign challenges it, and challenges it hard, even if that means stalling the process indefinitely. I don't care if that means until the Second Coming.

This country absolutely cannot take again the same kind of fuckery that happened in 2004. But a part of me is afraid that that is exactly what we're going to see.

I truly can't get my hopes up right now. I don't trust the process anymore.

EDIT: If not clear, this was in Montgomery County, Ohio, one of the counties that Kerry did win.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
6. They cheated to make certain they would win, and because they could.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:31 PM
Oct 2012

They are the worst sort of opportunistic creeps. They will use ANY advantage they can think of and subscribe to the theory that if they aren't caught it was the right thing to do. If they are caught it was not their fault, just like the recently disclosed voter dis-registration ploy in Florida and elsewhere.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
9. Probably in your neck of the woods...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:26 PM
Oct 2012

Each BOE keeps their own stuff and then sends it down to the SOS office.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
18. Don't know how it works in Ohio but
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:58 AM
Oct 2012

in Indiana the Sec of State is in charge of the polls..So if he is a Republican it would not surprise me if votes were lost and then covered up the theft..Thats what happen in 2004 with Blackwell I think that was his name.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_bob_fitr_071214_ohio_secretary_of_st.htm

I think that the Obama campaign has plenty of lawyers all about to make sure votes are not compromised but that doesn't mean they can detect that computer chip that switches votes.
I wont be satisfied until I hear Rmoney's concession speech.

In this video Blackwell (co-hcair of Ohio Bush reelection camapign and sec of state)
...An interview with ken Blackwell dodging questions about 2004 election)
Go to 36min on the video where the author of a book about the power of Rove explains the exit polling verses the vote count
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/28/ex_ohio_secretary_of_state_ken

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
19. Just saying "thank you" for waiting in line, etc.
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:14 AM
Oct 2012

This election is personal for me. So I'm grateful to all who take the time out of their busy lives to vote for Obama.

Thank you. I will be voting myself as soon as early voting begins in my state.

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
23. Something hopefully tells me since there seems to be a lot of obvious pre-concern regarding
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 02:09 PM
Oct 2012

Republican election fraud, coming off of the massive registration fraud, that these lower election officials will be more concerned by actual fraud and not so easily "bought".

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
24. Scares me the amount of time before the general election
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 05:53 PM
Oct 2012

All those early votes. Lots of time for Repukes to either switch votes or lose ballots.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
25. Columbus area voting center was busy today, too
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 06:02 PM
Oct 2012

First time I've voted in-person in a couple of years, but I get more satisfaction out of that then just sending in a ballot.

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