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The thought occurs to me that we are about to find out how much power big money has (Original Post) BigBearJohn Feb 2016 OP
A scary thought indeed. tecelote Feb 2016 #1
Looking for the chance safeinOhio Feb 2016 #2
This has been my biggest fear all along this Presidential campaign coyote Feb 2016 #3
I have the same thoughts newfie11 Feb 2016 #4
"Allow" schmalow! If only 5% more of the Hortensis Feb 2016 #7
Blaming "lefties" for Hillary's future general election loss already? A Simple Game Feb 2016 #8
I meant ALL us "lefties," not just the radical left. Hortensis Feb 2016 #11
Make up your mind. A Simple Game Feb 2016 #24
Two things... tecelote Feb 2016 #9
"If voting changed anything, they'd make it KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #14
In the last presidential ecection maindawg Feb 2016 #5
Remember the Occupy movement CanonRay Feb 2016 #6
I am reminded of... gregcrawford Feb 2016 #10
this time madokie Feb 2016 #12
Don't forget a healthy dose of good, old-fashioned human decency, while KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #15
You're right madokie Feb 2016 #19
+1000 nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #21
I remember an old quote...goes something like... Avalux Feb 2016 #13
Standard Marxist analysis predicts that one of the two bourgeois parties KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #18
Big Money is trapped too in the cycle of Human greed/processes/economy Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 #16
Ugh, that is awful. It may be true but it is awful, nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #23
Good analogy, Jeb Bush is the perfect example. gordianot Feb 2016 #25
I don't know how Bernie will be able to fight the the GOP if he is the nominee.. the onslaught secondwind Feb 2016 #17
We are the secret madokie Feb 2016 #22
I agree with you Fumesucker Feb 2016 #30
Hillary has already tried the all, leaving the GOP with little to work with. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #26
This isn't Bernie's first rodeo. The GOP won't know what hit them by the time Bernie is finished in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #29
Bernie will use the truth. livingonearth Feb 2016 #32
Ever see matter bang into anti-matter? Well, this is gonna be worse. DrBulldog Feb 2016 #20
99%>1%! They're about to learn that lesson. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #27
Yes we are. PatrickforO Feb 2016 #28
I have been thinking the same thing. livingonearth Feb 2016 #31
So, the job market is better greymattermom Feb 2016 #33
 

coyote

(1,561 posts)
3. This has been my biggest fear all along this Presidential campaign
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 08:38 AM
Feb 2016

I don't the oligarcy is going to allow the little people´s votes get in the way of their hold on power and money. We shall see.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. "Allow" schmalow! If only 5% more of the
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:05 AM
Feb 2016

youth vote came out to vote than usual, OR 5% more "lefties" in smaller towns and rural areas voted, we'd wipe the GOP and its "oligarchy" off the table like getting rid of ants at a picnic. And then we'd get busy shaking down that already-frightened class and putting a regulatory leash back on business.

As it is, a majority of Americans ARE voting liberal, it's just that we win urban/close-in suburban areas by many millions of wasted votes, while pubs take many more less-populated precincts.

Don't like the way things are? Vote Hillary because she has a much better chance of winning the White House and many other offices for the Democrats AND invite a registered voter or two to lunch on November 6 and drop by the polling place on the way.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
8. Blaming "lefties" for Hillary's future general election loss already?
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:18 AM
Feb 2016

At least it's not exclusive, you also found time to bash the youth voters. You must think it's going to be a slaughter.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. I meant ALL us "lefties," not just the radical left.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:38 AM
Feb 2016

You know, working together for America, opposing the forces of darkness on the right?

As for bashing the youth vote, I was not -- I was stating a simple fact; however, that demographic traditionally deserves bashing, even if each of them soon grows older and in some instances wiser. Since Bernie reportedly excites them, let's just hope he gets more of them out.

BTW, why do I get the feeling the only part of my post that registered with you was my name?



A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
24. Make up your mind.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:09 AM
Feb 2016

And in the same sentence.

As for bashing the youth vote, I was not

that demographic traditionally deserves bashing


And this;
OR 5% more "lefties" in smaller towns and rural areas voted, we'd wipe the GOP and its "oligarchy" off the table like getting rid of ants at a picnic.

I meant ALL us "lefties," not just the radical left.

It seems you only think 5% of the Democratic party are "lefties" and that 5% consists of more than just the "radical left."

I also notice you don't deny bashing the "lefties."

As for your last sentence; why does the word paranoia come to mind?

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
9. Two things...
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:22 AM
Feb 2016

1. Don't like the way things are?

Hillary will make incremental changes. Considering our continuous wars and climate change, we need more than that.

2. Vote Hillary because she has a much better chance of winning the White House...

Poll after poll show Bernie is the stronger candidate in the general. He'll pull independents and even Republicans since their other option is insane.

It's time for real change and this is our opportunity to make it happen.

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
5. In the last presidential ecection
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 08:54 AM
Feb 2016

Every sing Koch backed candidate lost. People hate the billionaires. They will not support the billionaires candidates.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
10. I am reminded of...
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:36 AM
Feb 2016

... the Vampire Squid's (LOVE that one, Mr. Taibbi!) recent remark. Goldman Sachs' CEO, Lloyd Blankfein, said that Sanders' criticism of Wall Street in general, and Goldman Sachs in particular "... has the potential to be a dangerous moment."

Dangerous for whom, Mr. Squid? Could your insufferable hubris and belief in your invincibility make you, the very essence of arrogance, confident that you could threaten a presidential candidate without repercussions?

Or perhaps you are not yet so blind that you cannot see the writing on the wall, so to speak, and that the inevitability of your imminent fall from grace - it IS a long way down, isn't it, Mr. Squid? - might make you Bernie Madoff's cellmate.

Or maybe it's a bit of both.

Let us consult the Magic 8-ball oracle: Hmmm... "OUTLOOK NOT SO GOOD."

Sorry, Mr. Squid. Looks like you're calamari.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
12. this time
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:43 AM
Feb 2016

I'll go with people power. No bullshit, no scandals, no skeletons in closets. Just a plain O honest guy with a good head on his shoulders

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
13. I remember an old quote...goes something like...
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:45 AM
Feb 2016

Those who have tasted power want more, and have no inclination to give it up.

If it seems as if big money may actually lose, they will do anything within their means to win. Things may get very very strange.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
18. Standard Marxist analysis predicts that one of the two bourgeois parties
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:53 AM
Feb 2016

will run a fascist strongman (Trump or Cruz) as one way to try to manage the unmanageable crises brought about by capitalism.

The real question my Socialist and Communist comrades propose is this: is Sanders' rise a response to the crisis of capitalism or is he the other bourgeois party's attempt to manage that same unmanageable crisis of capitalism.

On a humorous note, the attacks Sanders endures from the likes of Hillary and her proxies are as nothing compared to the attacks on Sanders from the Marxist-Leninist socialists out there. I've had to stop participating in a couple chat rooms due to their vociferous disdain for anything Sanders. In their view, Sanders is not Socialist enough!

 

Scott m. Etches

(32 posts)
16. Big Money is trapped too in the cycle of Human greed/processes/economy
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:50 AM
Feb 2016

No one gets out of the inertia of human greed. Organisms do that for survival til the point of extinction. Good luck escaping the treadmill, poor or rich alike.

For example: take yeast, water and sugar. Mix well. The yeast will multiple feeding on the sugar, producing excrement in the form of alcohol to the point where it dies in its own feces. Some yeast may recognize that there is petri dish change. Others will claim, it is natural and we must continue to consume and produce our shit we are choking on.

gordianot

(15,243 posts)
25. Good analogy, Jeb Bush is the perfect example.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:11 AM
Feb 2016

A wasted campaign that sucks resources too bad it does not leave something as useful as alcohol.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
17. I don't know how Bernie will be able to fight the the GOP if he is the nominee.. the onslaught
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:53 AM
Feb 2016

of attack ads will be vicious and continuous.

this costs a lot of $$$

madokie

(51,076 posts)
22. We are the secret
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:03 AM
Feb 2016

as long as WE don't pay any attention to the pukes and their lying asses then there is nothing to worry about. Bernie will be fine. If need be I can and will contribute more and I suspect that there are many of us who holds that same sentiment.

Money to counter them is not the problem when your candidate has a message that resonates with the people. Bernie has that message.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
30. I agree with you
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:22 AM
Feb 2016

I think a truthful message said in a consistent voice is something people have been hungering for and will not be denied.


in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
29. This isn't Bernie's first rodeo. The GOP won't know what hit them by the time Bernie is finished
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:22 AM
Feb 2016

wiping the floor with their candidate, Trump. No one from the clown car can beat Bernie.

Of course, the CORRUPT CORPORATE OWNED MSM will do the same thing they're doing now - ignore Bernie, but he has MILLIONS OF PEOPLE online who support him! He doesn't need the CORRUPT CORPORATE OWNED MSM. He'll still win because he OWNS the Internet.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

PatrickforO

(14,587 posts)
28. Yes we are.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:19 AM
Feb 2016

On the one hand H.L. Mencken said no one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American people, and on the other...

Hmm. I don't think there is an 'other.'

livingonearth

(728 posts)
31. I have been thinking the same thing.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:23 AM
Feb 2016

This election will probably be like no other in that respect, especially if Bernie is the nominee.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
33. So, the job market is better
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 11:09 AM
Feb 2016

and people aren't as afraid as they were. Big money should have less influence. Who watches tv commercials anyway? If you've seen it once, you've seen it.

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