2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe thought occurs to me that we are about to find out how much power big money has
in affecting the outcome of presidential elections. (Versus PEOPLE POWER) Please stand by . . . .
tecelote
(5,122 posts)safeinOhio
(32,714 posts)big money falls on it's ass.
coyote
(1,561 posts)I don't the oligarcy is going to allow the little people´s votes get in the way of their hold on power and money. We shall see.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)They won't just slither into the night. It could be very interesting.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)youth vote came out to vote than usual, OR 5% more "lefties" in smaller towns and rural areas voted, we'd wipe the GOP and its "oligarchy" off the table like getting rid of ants at a picnic. And then we'd get busy shaking down that already-frightened class and putting a regulatory leash back on business.
As it is, a majority of Americans ARE voting liberal, it's just that we win urban/close-in suburban areas by many millions of wasted votes, while pubs take many more less-populated precincts.
Don't like the way things are? Vote Hillary because she has a much better chance of winning the White House and many other offices for the Democrats AND invite a registered voter or two to lunch on November 6 and drop by the polling place on the way.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)At least it's not exclusive, you also found time to bash the youth voters. You must think it's going to be a slaughter.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)You know, working together for America, opposing the forces of darkness on the right?
As for bashing the youth vote, I was not -- I was stating a simple fact; however, that demographic traditionally deserves bashing, even if each of them soon grows older and in some instances wiser. Since Bernie reportedly excites them, let's just hope he gets more of them out.
BTW, why do I get the feeling the only part of my post that registered with you was my name?
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)And in the same sentence.
And this;
It seems you only think 5% of the Democratic party are "lefties" and that 5% consists of more than just the "radical left."
I also notice you don't deny bashing the "lefties."
As for your last sentence; why does the word paranoia come to mind?
tecelote
(5,122 posts)1. Don't like the way things are?
Hillary will make incremental changes. Considering our continuous wars and climate change, we need more than that.
2. Vote Hillary because she has a much better chance of winning the White House...
Poll after poll show Bernie is the stronger candidate in the general. He'll pull independents and even Republicans since their other option is insane.
It's time for real change and this is our opportunity to make it happen.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)illegal."
~Emma Goldman (a REAL Socialist
maindawg
(1,151 posts)Every sing Koch backed candidate lost. People hate the billionaires. They will not support the billionaires candidates.
CanonRay
(14,112 posts)I think we already know.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... the Vampire Squid's (LOVE that one, Mr. Taibbi!) recent remark. Goldman Sachs' CEO, Lloyd Blankfein, said that Sanders' criticism of Wall Street in general, and Goldman Sachs in particular "... has the potential to be a dangerous moment."
Dangerous for whom, Mr. Squid? Could your insufferable hubris and belief in your invincibility make you, the very essence of arrogance, confident that you could threaten a presidential candidate without repercussions?
Or perhaps you are not yet so blind that you cannot see the writing on the wall, so to speak, and that the inevitability of your imminent fall from grace - it IS a long way down, isn't it, Mr. Squid? - might make you Bernie Madoff's cellmate.
Or maybe it's a bit of both.
Let us consult the Magic 8-ball oracle: Hmmm... "OUTLOOK NOT SO GOOD."
Sorry, Mr. Squid. Looks like you're calamari.
madokie
(51,076 posts)I'll go with people power. No bullshit, no scandals, no skeletons in closets. Just a plain O honest guy with a good head on his shoulders
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)you're at it!
madokie
(51,076 posts)With Bernie I tend to take that for granted
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)Those who have tasted power want more, and have no inclination to give it up.
If it seems as if big money may actually lose, they will do anything within their means to win. Things may get very very strange.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)will run a fascist strongman (Trump or Cruz) as one way to try to manage the unmanageable crises brought about by capitalism.
The real question my Socialist and Communist comrades propose is this: is Sanders' rise a response to the crisis of capitalism or is he the other bourgeois party's attempt to manage that same unmanageable crisis of capitalism.
On a humorous note, the attacks Sanders endures from the likes of Hillary and her proxies are as nothing compared to the attacks on Sanders from the Marxist-Leninist socialists out there. I've had to stop participating in a couple chat rooms due to their vociferous disdain for anything Sanders. In their view, Sanders is not Socialist enough!
Scott m. Etches
(32 posts)No one gets out of the inertia of human greed. Organisms do that for survival til the point of extinction. Good luck escaping the treadmill, poor or rich alike.
For example: take yeast, water and sugar. Mix well. The yeast will multiple feeding on the sugar, producing excrement in the form of alcohol to the point where it dies in its own feces. Some yeast may recognize that there is petri dish change. Others will claim, it is natural and we must continue to consume and produce our shit we are choking on.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)gordianot
(15,243 posts)A wasted campaign that sucks resources too bad it does not leave something as useful as alcohol.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)of attack ads will be vicious and continuous.
this costs a lot of $$$
madokie
(51,076 posts)as long as WE don't pay any attention to the pukes and their lying asses then there is nothing to worry about. Bernie will be fine. If need be I can and will contribute more and I suspect that there are many of us who holds that same sentiment.
Money to counter them is not the problem when your candidate has a message that resonates with the people. Bernie has that message.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I think a truthful message said in a consistent voice is something people have been hungering for and will not be denied.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)wiping the floor with their candidate, Trump. No one from the clown car can beat Bernie.
Of course, the CORRUPT CORPORATE OWNED MSM will do the same thing they're doing now - ignore Bernie, but he has MILLIONS OF PEOPLE online who support him! He doesn't need the CORRUPT CORPORATE OWNED MSM. He'll still win because he OWNS the Internet.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
livingonearth
(728 posts)DrBulldog
(841 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)We The People WILL win.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
PatrickforO
(14,587 posts)On the one hand H.L. Mencken said no one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American people, and on the other...
Hmm. I don't think there is an 'other.'
livingonearth
(728 posts)This election will probably be like no other in that respect, especially if Bernie is the nominee.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)and people aren't as afraid as they were. Big money should have less influence. Who watches tv commercials anyway? If you've seen it once, you've seen it.