Hillary Clinton has been down by 30% in the NH polls. If she loses by 20%, then it is a Hillary WIN.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

The respectable CNN/WMUR had her losing to Bernie Sanders nearly by 30%. There have been other polls that have been showing similar numbers. If Hillary Clinton manages to close the gap and only lose by 20%, then she has effectively won NH. It would be a historic victory and she would be the new comeback kid.

If Bernie Sander only manages to win by 15%, this would be a devastating loss for him. I'm not sure he would recover from such a stinging loss. NH is Bernie's second home state. Almost half the voting electorate are independents. Truthfully, he should be winning by more than 40%.

[villager]

1. Meaning you agree that by this standard, Iowa was therefore a Bernie win?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

12. Bernie Sanders said that if the turnout was over 170,000 he would win.

The turnout was over 170,000 and he still lost.

[villager]

22. Ah, your doesn't-hold-water caveat was at the ready.

Gotcha.

[John Poet]

78. BERNIE WON IOWA IN A LANDSLIDE, THEN!!!!

behind by only 0.2 percent, way below your 20 percent requirement here....

I do presume you're being deliberately ridiculous here,
as opposed to being unintentionally ridiculous....

Do we got wheels on those goalposts now?

Maybe you should claim that Hillary wins if she keeps it within 30 percent,
just to be safe. Nah, 40-- within 40 percent, that way you can be sure. I think.

[6chars]

141. didn't you see Bern Your Enthusiasm?

we know why it happened. just shake her hand Bernie!

[catnhatnh]

14. Yep

and by 49.75%

[Dustlawyer]

178. Ist they say that if she loses by single digits its a win, now its a win if she loses by 20 -29%.

By the time its over, whatever Bernie wins by, it will still be a Hillary win.

[Fumesucker]

2. Bless your heart

[ProudToBeLiberal]

9. On my report cards in elementary school, they would give me an A for effort :). nt

[frylock]

164. Home school?

[AtomicKitten]

52. +1

[Wig Master]

3. LOL

[Cheese Sandwich]

4. Hillary should be winning in NH, it's her 6th time campaigning statewide there

They know her better than anyone.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

7. Bernie Sanders is a favored son of NH. He is family. He should be winning at least by 30%. nt

[TTUBatfan2008]

18. Then why was she up 40-50%...

...less than a year ago?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

29. No one pays attention to politics back then as they do now. Right now is the moment of truth.

The polls have Bernie up by 30% right now. If Hillary manages to close the gap and lose by 20%, then she wins. She is the new comeback kid.

[jeff47]

41. Except you claimed Sanders was their "favored son".

If people were not paying attention, they'd go with their favored son. Not give Clinton a 50% lead.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

54. I am just stating the facts of what I have seen from the polls.

Don't shoot the messenger.

[jeff47]

60. "Favored son" is not a fact.

And it features very prominently in your claims.

[Go Vols]

69. I hope she "wins" every race

with those numbers.

[cyberswede]

190. LOL - perfect. nt

[lob1]

46. All hogwash. NH is more influenced by Mass. than Vermont.

[beam me up scottie]

57. Prove that. Surely you have evidence of such an outlandish claim?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

65. You are from Vermont. You should be supporting my views. nt

[beam me up scottie]

73. Why would I support you when all you do is post hit pieces about Bernie?

Where's your evidence for your claim?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

80. My evidence is the polls. nt

[beam me up scottie]

84. The ones that showed Hillary was the favoured "daughter" last year?

What happened, did NH disown her?

Where's your evidence that he's the favoured son?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

93. We are in the moment of now. What the polls are saying is that Bernie is up by nearly 30%

If Hillary manages to close the gap and lose by 20% that is a win.

[beam me up scottie]

104. You're deflecting, how is Bernie the favoured son when Hillary was so far ahead last year?

If Hillary manages to close the gap and lose by 20% that is a win.

Math is hard. A win means the candidate received the majority of votes.

[bkkyosemite]

106. It is not! She said she won with a .02...now you say she will

win with 20% for Bernie. Give me a break you can't have it both ways!

[frylock]

167. "We are in the moment of now."

I see this term used a lot by 'baggers trying to deflect criticism of GWB. Fascinating.

[cali]

109. Spin and make stuff up! Rinse and repeat.

[LoveIsNow]

110. Shouldn't you be listening to the Vermonter?

Rather than claiming to know all about their state and telling them they're wrong for disagreeing?

[6chars]

144. Live free or die is their motto

I think they pretty much dislike both Vermont and Massachusetts, although they root for the Boston teams.

[beam me up scottie]

145. Yep, I'm a native Vermonter, other than geography we have little in common.

[karynnj]

92. another vermonter has ever won nh.

[cali]

105. Bzzt. Just for you:

If Bernie Wins NH, it will be despite his coming from VT, not because of it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511171592

[elias49]

122. Already debunked. I've lived in NH 40 years. No love lost

between NH and VT.
I expect you know that, but I'll give you an A- for effort.

[6chars]

143. as a former governor of NH, he should have a lock

he was born and raised in Manchestah where his father was a beloved deacon and he was both star quarterback and High School Prom King of 1959. favorite son is an understatement.

[frylock]

168. As a former governor of NH?

The fuck?

[JonLeibowitz]

179. I assume very well done satire. n/t

[frylock]

180. Hard to ell anymore.

[frylock]

166. Born in NYC, and moved to Vermont..

but he's New Hampshire's favorite son!

[frylock]

165. Clearly.

[itsrobert]

5. The social media I have been seeing

suggest Hillary is going to lose by 40%.

We shall see.

[Avalux]

6. Ummmm.....satire, I hope? n/t

[jeff47]

8. So Sanders won Iowa?

Or does your claim only hold when it benefits Clinton?

You know, Clinton had a 50% lead in NH back in August, and has 93% of the superdelegates....shouldn't your same metric be talking about that massive loss of support for Clinton?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

16. Sanders's campaign said they would win Iowa if they had a turnout of over 170k.

Turnout was over 170k and he still lost.

[jeff47]

23. Yet you are claiming a 20% loss is a win, but a 0.2% loss is a loss.

There's got to be a whole lot of mental gymnastics going on to pretend that makes sense.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

25. I'm basing my opinions on facts. The facts say that Bernie should at least win more than 30%.

If Hillary manages to close the gap and loses only by 20% then it's a win.

[jeff47]

28. "Facts" like 20% is smaller than 0.2%?

I'll have to make sure you never do the math when splitting the check. You'd have me paying $6,000 for a $6 meal.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

35. Thank god for the mcpick two at mcdonalds. Saves me a lot of money. nt

[jeff47]

36. Nah, you'd have me paying $200 for that. (nt)

[frylock]

170. I think I'm seeing part of the issue here.

It may be a lack of nutrients.

[cali]

113. Bwahaha.you don't even know the difference between fact and opinion

That so cute.

[lob1]

152. Link, please, I think you've mixed up facts with your opinion.

[HooptieWagon]

10. She was up by over 50 a year ago.

I'm sure her plummeting poll #s are causing great desparation among her supporters. If it makes them feel good to call a 20 point loss a win, then let them pretend. OTOH, media will be calling 20 points a devastating loss.

[randome]

34. Our last 3 elected Presidents all lost the New Hampshire primary.

So, yes, it does make sense that if she narrows the loss, it will be somewhat good news for her.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

[frylock]

171. Run with that.

[Orsino]

11. Every Clinton delegate is a Clinton win.

And whoever wins the most delegates wins bigger.

[thereismore]

13. This is serious???? Coming from people who'd beat you on the head with a 0.2% win... no thank you.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

37. Bernie Sanders's campaign said if the turnout in Iowa was 170k, he would win.

The turnout was over 170k and he still lost.

[thereismore]

43. Link to 170k statement please. nt

[cali]

115. Link to that quote from Bernie or it's nothing but bull

[LondonReign2]

15. I finally get it. This is Third Way Manny level stuff.

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[Wilms]

17. I'd ask my doctor about that. n/t

[ProudToBeLiberal]

39. I have a clean bill of health. Ok, I lied, my blood pressure is a bit up, but I am healthy. nt

[magical thyme]

19. baloney; that poll was an outlier. half a dozen other respected polls had Bernie up 10-15% in the

same time frame.

Hillary has to lose by single digits to even begin to think she is closing the gap.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

44. Can you stop spinning the facts. They have been multiple of polls that had Sanders's leading

by 30%. If Hillary Clinton manages to lose by 20% then it's a major win. She's the new comeback kid.

[DUbeornot2be]

88. Actually...

...if Hillary loses by 20% it shows that voters don't support a shill for the corporations, who continues to disrespect potential voters with a campaign of misdirection and lies...

Yeah, that's what a 20 point drubbing means.

And they accuse us of believing in unicorns...

[cali]

116. Link. It's not like I have any reason to simply take your word for it

[magical thyme]

133. multiple = 2: CNN/WMUR & Lowel 7/UMass. 7 other pollsters range +7 to +16

Lowell 7/UMass has since corrected back to +17, which makes 8, with a single one near +30 (down to +26).

On the other hand, ARG, Emerson, Monmouth, Boston Herald, Boston Globe, WBUR, Gravis range from +7 to +16.

Only NBC/WSJ/Maris comes in at +20.

Throwing out the upper and lower outliers brings Bernie +10 - +17.

Somebody is spinning hard here, and it ain't me.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-3351.html#polls

[TheBlackAdder]

20. Am I on Star Trek? What freakin' parallel universe did I enter between the IA and NH primaries? nt

[litlbilly]

40. Even if Bernie wins by 25, they still wont shut up. It is what it is:)

[ProudToBeLiberal]

45. Bernie Sander's campaign said that is Iowa's turnout was above 170K, they would win.

The turnout was over 170k and he still lost.

[cali]

118. Link.

[Dawgs]

120. Link? Proof?

Cuz it sounds like bullshit.

[sadoldgirl]

21. What a lovely spin, almost as good

as BC's. Beautifully Orwellian!

Lies = truth!

[Nanjeanne]

24. Oh my

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[thucythucy]

26. This is sarcasm, yes?

Just checking to be sure.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

48. I am just stating the facts. nt

[thucythucy]

49. If not sarcasm, then maybe performance art?

[hobbit709]

68. It's not quite up to Random Thoughts level. He'll never get beer and travel money at this rate.

[Go Vols]

90. If you lose,

you are not the winner. Fact.

[6chars]

146. i am pretty sure you're right.

[lumberjack_jeff]

27. Lol. Iowa margin of +.05% = win nt

[cali]

119. .25

[morningfog]

30. It doesn't work that way.

[Logical]

31. Drunk? Nt

[choie]

32. Yeah, that Hillary Clinton.,

She's such an underdog! (just in case it's needed)

[closeupready]

33. Delusional. Utter nonsense.

[litlbilly]

38. Okidoki, if you say so. wow can you guys get any funnier?

[HooptieWagon]

66. It's performance art.

Or comedy. Probably both.

[Matariki]

42. Funnier by the day!

[Warren Stupidity]

47. At the least she should get a participation trophy.

[NCTraveler]

50. This is how Sanders surrogates do Primary math, so why not. nt.

[beam me up scottie]

55. The op is a Hillary supporter so I guess that means it's how you guys do math.

[NCTraveler]

58. I think it's pretty obvious from my reply that I'm aware of that. nt.

[beam me up scottie]

63. Then why bring up Bernie supporters?

[cali]

123. Nope. Bernie supporters may say that a .25 margin is

a virtual tie, but that isn't close to the bullshit in the op

[Jarqui]

51. So if Hillary loses the primary by 30% of the delegates, does she still win?

[leftupnorth]

53. I don't think any Democrat has won NH by more than 17%

But I could be wrong about that. Pretty sure I'm not.

[JimDandy]

140. So, a 20 point lead by Bernie would not only be a massive win, it would be HISTORIC? n/t

[leftupnorth]

148. Yup!

:poundit:

[floriduck]

56. What a moronic viewpoint. Wasted space. nm

[cali]

59. Bwahaha. Priceless to see the desperate spinning. Love,

love, love it. Fun to watch. Delicious to see such desperation.

Yummy.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

70. cali, you of all people should be supporting my view. You are from Vermont. nt

[cali]

74. Killing a bullshit Clinton meme: Bernie Sanders Is No Favorite Son

Killing a bullshit Clinton meme: Bernie Sanders Is No Favorite Son

Hillary Clinton’s campaign says that she’s losing New Hampshire because Bernie Sanders, being from neighboring Vermont, is a “favorite son” in the state. But according to reporters and editors at four of the state’s top news outlets, that’s “a load of crock” and “would make most New Hampshire stomachs turn.” In fact, most New Hampshirites probably didn’t know who Bernie Sanders was until he launched his presidential campaign. And bobcat-killing and the opiate epidemic are more likely to be at the top of their list of concerns than, say, immigration.

Those are just a few of things the pundits and candidates are getting wrong about New Hampshire as we head into its first-in-the-nation primary on Tuesday. In a roundtable interview moderated by Politico’s senior politics editor Charlie Mahtesian, five of the journalists who follow New Hampshire politics most closely revealed more about what's really going on on-the-ground in the Granite State and what we in Washington are missing.

Charlie Mahtesian, Politico: One of the things we’ve heard is a lockstep message coming out of the Clinton camp—this idea that Hillary Clinton’s not going to do that well because it’s Bernie’s backyard. They’re downplaying expectations since she’s trailing in the polls. My question, though, is how well does New Hampshire actually know Bernie? Is it the case where he’s the third senator from New Hampshire, as Clinton would like to believe? Is he known in the Connecticut River Valley, known in southern New Hampshire?

Roger Carroll, Nashua Telegraph: I was watching CBS news the other night, there was a woman doing standup in front of a bridge in Manchester. She said that Sanders is practically a favorite son here in New Hampshire. You know what, that is a load of crock. There’s no other way to—that is, I mean, I’m sitting there, you know how a dog turns its head when it doesn’t quite get something? .

Look. People in the Connecticut River Valley knew who he was. They knew who he was when he was mayor of Burlington, because Channel 3 has a really strong signal that beams in. But you go 15 miles to the east and nobody knew who he was, he was 50 points behind at this time last year. So, as Colonel Potter from MASH used to say: Horse hockey!

<snip>
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/new-hampshire-primary-political-reporters-213604

[ProudToBeLiberal]

81. Can you give me a TLDR? nt

[cali]

76. If Bernie Wins NH, it will be despite his coming from VT, not because of it

If Bernie Wins NH, it will be despite his coming from VT, not because of it

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I'm a Vermonter. And boy is this spot on- except for the showering stuff.

HANOVER, N.H. — Hillary Clinton’s campaign maintains that Senator Bernie Sanders could win New Hampshire’s primary on Tuesday because he comes from neighboring Vermont. As Bill Clinton told NBC News: “Nobody from a state bordering New Hampshire has ever lost a Democratic primary to a non-incumbent president.”

But as natives of New Hampshire and Vermont are quick to note, if Mr. Sanders wins New Hampshire, it may be in spite if coming from Vermont, not because of it.

From afar, Vermont and New Hampshire look like two peas in a pod, but from the Birkenstock outlets in Vermont to the Harley-Davidson dealers in New Hampshire, these two states on opposite sides of the Connecticut River, could not be more different.

<snip>

Comparing and contrasting these two states has been a parlor game in New England for decades, if not centuries. It has produced academic studies and irreverent analyses, like one that boiled down the differences to this: Basically, if you live in New England and want to join a militia, then New Hampshire is for you. But if you want to skip showering and listen to NPR, then head on up to Vermont.


<snip>
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/08/us/more-than-a-riverseparates-bernie-sanderss-state-from-primarys.html?rref=collection%2Fnewseventcollection%2FPresidential%20Election%202016&action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=Collection®ion=Marginalia&src=me&version=newsevent&pgtype=article&_r=0

[ProudToBeLiberal]

82. Can you give me a TLDR. nt

[cali]

89. I don't know. What is it?

Deflect. Spin. Deflect. Spin.

Rinse and repeat.

That is your shtick

[ProudToBeLiberal]

96. It means basically if you could summarize your post in a sentence or two. It's from reddit. nt

[cali]

126. I didn't realize you had problems reading

[frylock]

172. Allow me..

You're wrong.

[m-lekktor]

107. it's an acronym for Too Long Didn't Read.

He isn't reading your responses, too many words for him!

[JeffHead]

61. Whether it's by .2% or 20% a loss is still a loss. nt

[ProudToBeLiberal]

71. Bernie's campaign said that if the turnout in Iowa was 170k, he would win.

The turnout was over 170k and he still lost. nt

[cali]

129. Link to your claim.

[Aerows]

62. But Hillary winning by .02% (.0002 margin)

Is a big win for Hillary. Now Bernie has to beat her by 30% to "win".

I'm with the person (forget who) requested that Hillary supporters announce at the beginning of each day where the goal posts are for that day.

It would save time and confusion for everyone.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

72. Bernie's campaign said that if the turnout in Iowa was 170k, he would win.

The turnout in Iowa was above 170k. Hillary still won.

[k8conant]

103. You're repeating yourself ad nauseum...

as did Marco Rubio.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

111. People are asking and making the same points over and over.

I am responding with the facts. nt

[k8conant]

121. NOT that I've seen..

[lob1]

161. Several people, including me, want to see a link to your

ridiculous claim. You haven't done that. If you can't provide a link, we might think you're making crap up.

[frylock]

173. You're incapable of substantiating your "facts"

[cali]

130. Post a link to your claim. Now.

[Aerows]

184. So what do you think about

59.6% to 38.7%?

Still think he bombed? Because that looks like a 20.9% win to me.

Let me know where the goal posts are going to be tomorrow!

[cherokeeprogressive]

64. The star known as Sol will come up tomorrow... HILLARY WINS!

[cali]

67. Hilly lost a 40 point lead there

They were tied in November.

Spinning like a dervish, PTBL.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

75. We are living in the moment of now. The polls have Bernie up by nearly 30%

If Hillary manages to close the gap to 20% then that is a win for her. Truthfully, Bernie should be winning by 40. He has all the advantages.

[cali]

94. Deflect. Spin. Deflect. Spin. Rinse and repeat ad nauseam.

That's just what you do.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

102. cali, can you at least agree with me that Bernie is expected to win NH comfortably? nt

[R. P. McMurphy]

77. Looking for the sarcasm tag. OH CRAP! YOU'RE SERIOUS!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

79. This is satire, right?

If it isn't, it's very, very sad.

[MrMickeysMom]

147. You're right!

It's VERY sad. I hope they feel better soon.

[senz]

149. Ignore this comment

I wanted to warn you to "undo" your vote on that loyalty test poll but wisdom prevailed and the OP was deleted.

So we all live to comment another day on DU.

[MrMickeysMom]

154. Did I do a "no-no"?

I believe they can kiss my sweet bippy!

[senz]

156. It's okay, they deleted the OP

and then I changed my comment to you.

lol, they'll have to kiss your sweet bippy some other day!

[Kall]

83. Irony and self-awareness are just lost on you guys, aren't they?

[cali]

85. If Bernie Wins NH, it will be despite his coming from VT, not because of it

If Bernie Wins NH, it will be despite his coming from VT, not because of it

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I'm a Vermonter. And boy is this spot on- except for the showering stuff.

HANOVER, N.H. — Hillary Clinton’s campaign maintains that Senator Bernie Sanders could win New Hampshire’s primary on Tuesday because he comes from neighboring Vermont. As Bill Clinton told NBC News: “Nobody from a state bordering New Hampshire has ever lost a Democratic primary to a non-incumbent president.”

But as natives of New Hampshire and Vermont are quick to note, if Mr. Sanders wins New Hampshire, it may be in spite if coming from Vermont, not because of it.

From afar, Vermont and New Hampshire look like two peas in a pod, but from the Birkenstock outlets in Vermont to the Harley-Davidson dealers in New Hampshire, these two states on opposite sides of the Connecticut River, could not be more different.

<snip>

Comparing and contrasting these two states has been a parlor game in New England for decades, if not centuries. It has produced academic studies and irreverent analyses, like one that boiled down the differences to this: Basically, if you live in New England and want to join a militia, then New Hampshire is for you. But if you want to skip showering and listen to NPR, then head on up to Vermont.


<snip>
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/08/us/more-than-a-riverseparates-bernie-sanderss-state-from-primarys.html?rref=collection%2Fnewseventcollection%2FPresidential%20Election%202016&action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=Collection®ion=Marginalia&src=me&version=newsevent&pgtype=article&_r=0

[TwilightGardener]

86. LOL, I thought of preparing a response to this, and then I thought--

hey, good luck, rest of DU, I can't even. There's no shaming the shameless.

[LAS14]

87. forum question

My apologies for breaking into this topic, but I don't have enough replies to make a new post. What does nt or n/t mean? I see it at the end of lots of titles.

GREAT WEBSITE!!! SUCH A RELIEF given the penchant for negative Hillary stories in the media.

[FSogol]

99. n/t or nt means "no text." It is so you don't have to open the post and can just read the subject

heading.

[Go Vols]

117. its supposed to mean "no text"

but nt is text.

[LSK]

91. you think the average SC or NV voter is paying attention to every single NH poll?

What the average voter in future states will only see is the headline of a huge Bernie win.

[Punkingal]

95. Beyond ridiculous!

Even somewhat pathetic.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

97. Keep dreamin'

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

98. Then the Panthers must have won the Super Bowl

because they lost by less than 20%.

[cali]

100. Bwahaha. Nearly 100 responses and one lonely rec.

That's rare. Quite the achievement.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

108. I usually don't rec my own threads. nt

[ProudToBeLiberal]

114. Here are the facts. I have two recs. nt

[cali]

135. Ooh. When I posted, you had one. Your parody thread is much

longer now.

I am really enjoying this.

[Bad Thoughts]

101. New Hampshire is not friendly ground for someone from Vermont

This is a really stupid canard. The two states are close to one another, but the people from New Hampshire and from Vermont have different mentalities. Vermonters are fairy liberal. New Hampsherites are fairly libertarian. Vermont is strongly influenced by upstate New York and Quebec. New Hampshire is strongly influenced by Boston. The important highways go north-south, toward Massachusetts. The highways that connect the two states are smaller. There are isolated pockets in both states, but the people do not necessarily think the same. New Hampshire is more industrial. Vermont is more rural.

Being from a neighboring state is no advantage to Bernie Sanders. What matters more is who has more presence in Boston media.

[bowens43]

112. The hill folk have flipped thier lids...

[pa28]

124. Lol. Just listen to yourself.

[Press Virginia]

125. Uuuuh

No

[SheenaR]

127. Don't feed this person

They were in threads all day yesterday doing the same damage control. Ridiculous

[ProudToBeLiberal]

128. People are saying that I am just repeating myself, so this will be the last post I make

in this thread. A lot of the polls have Bernie Sanders's with nearly a 30% advantage. If Hillary Clinton manages to shave off 10% and lose by only 20% that is a huge accomplishment. I would considered that a win even historic. She would become the new comeback kid.

I won't be holding my breath. To tell you the truth, I think Bernie will win by at least 30%, so I don't think Hillary will be the new comeback kid.

But, if she does close the gap and lose by only 20% then I will be ecstatic and happy. It would be a good victory.

[SheenaR]

150. 1 poll

had 30% margin. 1.

Even the Clinton campaign is saying single digits is the win. a 60 to 40 loss is a devastating blowout.

[TBF]

131. In bizarro land ..

[RDANGELO]

132. Did her campaign direct you to post this.

, or are you really that frantic.

[HERVEPA]

134. And unicorns are real, too.

[ViseGrip]

136. Hillary spin wouldn't fool a 4th grader!

[1StrongBlackMan]

137. No ...

If Hillary Clinton manages to close the gap and only lose by 20%, then she has effectively won NH.

If HRC loses by 20, or 10, or 1 ... it is/would be a loss for HRC and a win for Bernie. Period. End of statement. On to next contest.

[ljm2002]

138. So let me get this straight...

...when Bernie closed the gap in Iowa and came in essentially tied there, losing (maybe) by .3% of the vote, we Bernie supporters were sneered at and jeered at for claiming that was some sort of victory. We were metaphorically beaten over the head with "A win is a win" and "She got more delegates" and "So Bernie wins even if he loses? Har de har har har!" etc.

Now you are seriously trying to float the idea that a loss of 20-friggin'-percent would be a win for Hillary in New Hampshire?

Puhleeze.

[EndElectoral]

139. lol...I've seen some spinning but now a double digit loss is a victory?

[99th_Monkey]

142. When that "Hillary up by 30%" poll came out, I was jubilant, but others were saying

"I dont trust CNN (Clinton News Network) .. this is just to make it appear that it will be
a "big win" for her even when she loses." <-- had more than a few of these comments.

In hindsight, makes me wonder.

[jfern]

151. Here's a poll with her at 74% in NH

She's down quite a bit from that.

http://cola.unh.edu/sites/cola.unh.edu/files/research_publications/gsp2014_winter_primary012914.pdf

[mhatrw]

153. And if Sanders wins by just 10%, seppuku would be the only honorable option

left to him.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

155. I just had to come back to this thread, it's such a hoot.

I really think the Panthers ought to complain to the NFL that they should have been given the Super Bowl trophy because they lost by less than 20%. Isn't that the way that works?

[dana_b]

157. ridiculous

and I don't care if I am banned, juried, whatever. Hillary could lose by 95% and you would still say it was a "WIN!! Hillary got a few votes even though Bernie is a political god in NH!!"

[SDJay]

158. So I Guess Jim Webb

is sailing towards the nomination, then. At least he is based on that logic.

Oy. No offense to the OP, but this is pretty funny.

[Lorien]

159. Gee, Bernie was down by 33% in Iowa

So I guess that he blew her out of the water?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

160. Maybe Dewey really did defeat Truman.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

162. Just bring on the more diverse states, please. IA and NH are not representative...

of the Democratic Party. They are just not.

[frylock]

163. Today in batshit crazy land...

[Motown_Johnny]

169. Bernie was down in Iowa by 30%, so what is his losing by 0.25%? n/t

[elehhhhna]

174. win by losing. thats the dncs motto now right?

Sounds like dws.

[bravenak]

175. Sigh. And now we enter the realm of everybody is silly.

Iowa: Hillary
NH: Bernie

We are just silly now. Ooooh booooy!!! This primary, eh?

[Fawke Em]

176. Not really.

He gets the momentum from a near tie in Iowa and a win in New Hampshire, period.

How come no one mentions Iowa neighbors Clinton's home state of Illinois. If I were the Sanders campaign, I'd point that out A LOT tonight.

[seaotter]

177. Logic is not on your side.

A loss is a loss, no matter how you parse it.

[hoosierlib]

181. Hillary led New Hampshire by 5% in December 2015 and started with a 40+% lead

See link below...

[link:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-3351.html|

And the average has been around 15%...so any victory greater than 15% is a "yuuuge" victory for Sanders and colossal defeat for HRC...

[lame54]

182. by that logic Bernie won in Iowa

[JimDandy]

183. It's looking like Clinton cannot even pull that off. *Win-by-losing-only-20%*!!!

Bookmarking

[frylock]

185. Kicking for the lulz

[SMC22307]

186. No, the stinging loss is Hillary getting WHUPPED...

in a state she carried in 2008. Why did voters -- of nearly every demographic -- reject her in 2016?

[John Poet]

187. Well, even by your ridiculous metric-- HILLARY LOSES.

She couldn't even close the gap to 20 percent!

Talk about a train wreck-- that's the kind of train wreck
where they go around afterwards and shoot the survivors!

Total REJECTION!
REPUDIATION!
HUMILIATION!


NO Democratic candidate has EVER lost the NH primary by such a large percentage!
So I think your post may have influenced the karma...

[Beacool]

188. I had written off IA and NH.

I was pleasantly surprised that Hillary won IA, even if by a razor thin margin. Sanders won NH handily, as predicted by every poll.

No candidate can win everything.

NH is not a barometer of how a race will turn out in the end. In 1992, Bill was in second place and won the nomination (he was 4th in IA). In 2008, Hillary won NH and Obama won the nomination.

[Fearless]

189. What a joke.