2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBobby Mook, Clinton Campaign Mgr. "Bernie has some explaining to do" re: Martha's Vineyard
Bernie "raising 100s of thousands of dollars from establishment lobbyists for his Senate
campaign in Vermont".
Chuck Todd: "well, i guess he will need to answer to that" ..
When is Bernie going to put this one to rest, in the graveyard of bogus & ridiculous attacks
on Bernie by Hillary people, now about those Martha's Vineyards gigs.
My understand it that those were raising money for ALL US Senators the Democrats want
to see RE-ELECTED, that there were many sources of funds (not just corporate lobbyists),
and that by participating, Bernie was actually supporting other Dems, running for US Senate
and not just his own campaigns.
Do I have this ^ wrong? Is there some big 'scandal' here? Seems to me if Bernie had NOT
participated he'd be pilloried for "not being a loyal Democrat".
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)He was there to raise money for the Dems, and if he hadn't attended he would have been branded disloyal.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Bernie was raising money for ALL US Senators that the Democrats
want to see RE-ELECTED, that there were many sources of funds (not just corporate lobbyists),
and that by participating, Bernie was actually supporting other Dems, running for US Senate
and not just his own campaigns.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)this was trotted out last month and failed. It will fail again. The strategy is classic Karl Rove, which says a lot about the HRC campaign.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and facts to support their debunking of this, because the M$M shills are giving it a "pass" as
something that does not deserve to be challenged whatsoever... it's maddening to watch.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)has picked their side.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)money for the down ballot races and Hillary does.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Rocky the Leprechaun
(222 posts)That's Mook's problem. He's the clone of Mark Penn.
cali
(114,904 posts)Turn on a dime and scream hypocrisy when he does.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)were criticizing Sanders for NOT raising money for Dems. And now you are crticizing him FOR raising money for Dems?
WTF??????
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Her supporters are OK with that.
madokie
(51,076 posts)all that matters to them is a win
Rocky the Leprechaun
(222 posts)Gotta explain all the Wall Street money first, and the continued existence of SuperPACs on Clinton's campaign.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)When will this madness end???
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)The Clinton camp is more in-your-face oily and dishonest, yet it seems to be back-firing on them,
yet they keep ratcheting it up. Do they really think it's going to start paying off at some point?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The truthiness just gets truthier all the time.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)There is nothing there.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,975 posts)Chuck didn't challenge it at all. Of course. But Devine was on after and Chuck asked him about it so he was able to respond.
They have nothing so they are trying to say Bernie is talking out of both sides of his mouth. The thing is, it could work with someone who hasn't built their political career on integrity. With Bernie it's a lot harder. People just don't buy it.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)telling me he knew he was lying through his teeth and was rather enjoying it. Asshole
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)brooklynite
(94,721 posts)...and the event is a thank-you to anyone who contributes the max to the DSCC (approx $35,000/year). All of these contributions are from personal accounts; some of the contributors certainly have a Wall Street or corporate background; some (like me do not).
I don't think the issue is whether Bernie is or is not taking Corporate money. It's the ethos of spending time and attention with the 1%ers who can afford to provide this level of support to the Party, while playing up the merits and purity of small contribution donors. You could also argue that it goes against his "I'm against the establishment" mantra to hang out with "the Party Bosses" and their financial supporters.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)he would have been tarred for refusing to help the party. So, lose/lose.
HRC did that fundraiser, AND took money from Wall Street which benefited her personally.
brooklynite
(94,721 posts)...and when he wasn't a Democrat; so nobody would have cared if he didn't. Angus King doesn't show up and nobody criticizes him for it.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)you can bet your bippy it would definitely come up and used as one more
sorry-ass microscopic shred of "evidence" to support that half-baked assertion.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)if he were, it would be an issue.
Again, this is straight out of Rove's playbook. Take the person's strength and lie like mad to make it a liability.
You would think that someone certain they will be the nominee wouldn't use such a scorched earth campaign tactic. This reminds me of 2008 when Obama came on strong.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)fund raising that he was working for. And every Democratic candidate running for Senate got some of that money. Seems to me that Mook and Chuck need to learn how this works.
Every Senator including Hillary when she was a Senatorial candidate helped to raise money.
Ignore this whole shit pile - it is just Hillary and her politics as usual.
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AzDar
(14,023 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)I'll bet he would have support Bernie as a "soldier in the war on poverty ...!
seaotter
(576 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)More like the heady aroma of sweet victory.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)That they don't think this is going to backlash on them, and hard, is sort of amazing in itself.