2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBlack votes matter in Democratic Presidential Primary Race as Contest moves to more Diverse States
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-sanders-black-voters-20160210-story.htmlStarry Messenger
(32,342 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)We have to also work to restore the VRA. It's the only way through to truly taking back democracy.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)From the article
The states most influential black lawmaker, Rep. James E. Clyburn, told MSNBC Wednesday that Sanders, a candidate who was virtually unknown in the state only a couple of months ago, has built an impressive campaign organization in that state.
It's very effective, said Clyburn, who has not yet made an endorsement. They have a pretty potent ground operation going on in South Carolina. And I'm pleased to see that.
Yet Sanders can now boast his own support from prominent minority figures. He recently earned the endorsement of Benjamin Jealous, the former chief executive of the NAACP, who has been campaigning in South Carolina.
Now that [Sanders] is seen as a top-tier contender, well find that candidate Clinton has hit her high watermark, Jealous predicted in a radio interview. She will begin to lose support. How fast and how much remains to be seen.
Ta-Nehisi Coates, the prominent black writer and activist also said Wednesday that Sanders will be getting his vote, though not any kind of endorsement.
And Sharpton told reporters that he is weighing giving Sanders his backing.
Well put. Time will tell how this goes.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He better perform well with them. He flubs or acts tone deaf he will be screwed
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And that both candidates repeat the message so all of their followers can hear it also.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Perogie
(687 posts)The candidate said he was going after Trump voters. How can he favor us and them simultaneously. Inviting Trump voters shows that some think we should just have to deal with those people and suffer
Perogie
(687 posts)That's when real change happens. Bring people into the fold and show them we are all the same.
Build walls and nothing gets done.
Best wishes
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Perogie
(687 posts)Best wishes
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)We don't beat up black protestors - that's what white racists at Trump rallies do. We are nothing like them.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Anybody still voting for that guy after that needs to be no where near me.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)but they must be on board with racial justice also or nothing will have been accomplished.
But can Sanders convince Trump voters of both things?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)by the economic message are no help. Trump voters who are seeing economic inequality because it now affects them are no help either.
I fear that many Trump voters are only interested in the issue of inequality because they are being affected. They are totally uninterested in non-whites being affected by inequality. It is only about them. Always is.
But is there a percentage of Trump voters who do not buy into the fiction of white supremacy in a white America? No idea.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)If he wants them go for it. Do not expect to see us there.
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)but I fear that you are correct.
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am waiting. Soon im sure. Middle of the night probably.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Not ONLY do people change, but different people are attracted to Trump for different reasons.
Only a fool would determine that none of them can be reached and swayed to our side.
Many Trump supporters, I believe, have chosen to support him as a way of saying "I oppose the status quo".
Such people are reachable and dismissing them does nothing to advance our cause, but reaching them does.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Gotta choose one cause we dont go anywhere near them for no amount of money.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)"Them"
"It"
"Other"
If they came to our side, you wouldn't HAVE to choose to go near them. They would be with us. See how that works?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Win or lose you can only have one
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)But then I realized how pointless it is.
You actually do NOT want to have a dialog.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Our votes come from tryst and we do not trust
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Look, Bernie is not the type to politicize in the way you are looking for.
He is not the type to take a message aimed at all people who are being destroyed by the prison industry, the economic injustice, the social injustice and wrap it in a box labelled: "A special bill for Black People".
It is part of what separates him from insincere politicians in general.
Take it or leave it. I think he is the best choice for the goals you care about.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I do not believe in him like you do he lacks sensitivity which you consider insincerity
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Some people are racists and pretend they're not.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I could not be more happy to see that Black people are having a growing influence on politics.