What are you going to do if Bernie loses?

[Onlooker]

The tone against Hillary is upsetting. She's not Satan, you know. Her record is one of the better ones among all senators; she always ranked with the liberals. For those in the political establishment, she's pretty good. The vitriol just seems so unfair sometimes. Hillary and Bill ran the White House in a different era and did a lot of good things, Hillary has a traditional liberal understanding of foreign policy (get involved, fix the problem) -- she is not as libertarian as Sanders; and Hillary's Iraq vote was in part because she was from a state so devastated by 9/11 that even the New York Times promoted the war on Iraq. It was so devastating that many liberals in New York during that time became flag wavers. My point is simply that as you turn her into a pariah, you are risking the White House falling into the hands of the Republicans by the increasing resentment between Hillary and Bernie supporters. Why don't you get it? Or maybe you do and you think this is the only way to run an insurgent campaign? I just don't get it.

[Fawke Em]

1. What are you going to do if Hillary loses?

[nc4bo]

13. Thanx, you beat me to it. nt

[hamsterjill]

20. Then I will vote for Bernie.

Because I am mature enough to understand the process, and I understand the ramifications if we allow another Republican in the White House.

[still_one]

38. They can't grasp that, but the ones screaming they won't vote for the Democratic nominee

If it isn't their person are not Hillary supporters

[roguevalley]

80. some of us are tired of settling and personally, I think Bernie has it in the bag. we can differ but

if she doesn't blitz SC and at least pull even in Nevada she is over. It doesn't matter what the polls say now from dorks like Nate, the local buzz and the fact that she's low balling both states now is proof that she's in a world of hurt. we can slap at each other all we want but the votes will tell and they are bearing down on us now. Even if her supporters can't see her many, many deficits, the voters have and will and so will the authorities who are looking over their many transgressions. But all is not lost. She will always have Kissinger.

[Stuckinthebush]

107. This highlights the problem

You have contempt and disgust for Clinton.

I think that contempt blinds many to the probability of her winning. If and when that happens many Sanders supporters have developed such negative narratives in their minds about her that they will cut off their noses to spite their faces.

It's very troubling.

[hamsterjill]

112. +1

It is very unsettling.

Politics is always give and take. It isn't a game that if you don't get your way, you run away from the playground. It is that you get up, dust yourself off, and keep trying.

[still_one]

116. I am not troubled by them. They know stakes, and those that decide not to vote for the Democratic

nominee, are irrelevant, just like Ralph Nader, except Nader is living quite comfortably off his millions from his mutual funds and other investments

After the primaries are over, whoever wins the nomination, DU will be a much nicer place, and if Hillary is the nominee, the haters won't be here to pollute the places with their venom

[roguevalley]

135. you don't even hear yourselves

[still_one]

136. I hear myself, and I hear those who won't support the Democratic nominee if it isn't their person.

Nothing anyone says will convince them otherwise, so I will deal with those where I can engage with in a rational discussion of the issues, instead of those that resort to name calling of the Democratic candidate they oppose, along with anyone or group who endorses that candidate.

[roguevalley]

134. I do have contempt. kissinger is the last straw. he supported govts that threw people into

The ocean from planes. She vacays with him.

[SheilaT]

138. Yes, I do have contempt and disgust for Clinton.

You want me to support someone who voted for the Iraq War. Who championed "an end to welfare as we know it" which hurt women and children terribly. Oh, but she's been defending women and children her whole career. Really?

You want me to support someone who bombs women and children, who is happy to send refugee children back to the horror they fled from? You want me to support someone who spent YEARS defending DOMA, who only recently realized that maybe it's okay for people to marry those they love?

You want me to support someone who is fine with for profit prisons? You want me to support someone who defends Wall Street?

Well, I don't support someone like that.

[Stuckinthebush]

142. Hyperbole

It'll get a GOP president. Politics is about pragmatism. Hope for you're ideal candidate but when he doesn't get the nomination, support the party that is most likely to not destroy that which you hold dear. That's pragmatism. That's politics

[Kelvin Mace]

151. "Pragmatism"

is how the Vichy Government justified collaboration with the Nazi government. When a politicians starts talking about "pragmatism" someone is going to get it in the back of the head.

[bettyellen]

25. Vote for Bernie. And vote every year- including midterms. Like a responsible liberal.

Not going to take my toys and go home.

[Ferd Berfel]

28. exactly, We sure as hell know that the DNC is not goting to support Bernie

They continue to make noises of "anybody but Bernie" with Biden, Bloomberg, Kerry.....

Will Hillary and her people?

[DCBob]

48. Easy. Vote for the Dem nominee.

Why is that so difficult for Bernie supporters to say that??

[Stuckinthebush]

102. Simple

Work my ass off to make sure Sanders wins the general. With all the gusto and enthusiasm that I have for Clinton.

I don't hate Bernie. Most of us don't. That big H you see next to my name simply means I like her best out if the two. If more Dems say otherwise then so be it. Let's win for the Dems!

I don't get the hate for our candidate. It's so unproductive. The alternative to either is unthinkable.

[jfern]

2. Hillary has done plenty to weaken herself for a general election

There's no need to blame supporters of the other candidate that her campaign has already been running a campaign against.

[EdwardBernays]

3. Sanders isn't Libertarian?

And I don't know.

It depends what the options are.

I personally believe the Clintons are corrupt and fake populists.

I am not keen of voting for someone I dislike and distrust simply because I'm meant to be scared of the consequences.

[Bagsgroove]

40. Consequences

I'm a Bernie supporter, and I mostly agree with your assessment of the Clintons. But I will definitely vote for someone I dislike when the consequence would be a President Trump or President Cruz.

Yeah, I am scared of those consequences.

[Old Codger]

91. same here

I will voter for the Dem... This time around, but if she loses the primary and they run someone else against Bernie all bets are off...I will never vote for an R but if that scenario occurs I may just say fuck it and stay out of presidential and just vote down ticket...

[senz]

44. Of course he isn't Libertarian.

Socialist and Libertarian do not mix.

[Nonhlanhla]

63. I think the OP meant on foreign policy

Although I don't think he is completely libertarian on that either.

On economics he of course the opposite of libertarian.

[EdwardBernays]

70. Well

That's certainly an odd way to describe it.

Libertarians are themselves non-interventionists... So it seems a bit strained.

[demwing]

119. Libertarian Party - Foreign Poliicy

This is not Bernie's platform at all. Sure "Tyranny around the world must be condemned" sounds like something Bernie might say, and Hillary, and Trump, and Rubio, yada...yada...

End foreign military operations; shut down foreign bases
[Current policy] damages lives through misuse and overuse of the military. Libertarian candidates have pledged to sponsor legislation to end all foreign military operations, shut down needless foreign bases, cut military spending by at least 60%, and bring our troops home. Even after those spending cuts, we will still outspend both Russia and China combined. We will also be safer, because our military will be focused on defense. We will stop creating enemies through unwarranted military intrusions.
Source: 2015 State of the Union Libertarian Party response , Jan 20, 2015

End all foreign military and economic aid
Our foreign policy should emphasize defense against attack from abroad and enhance the likelihood of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements. We would end the current US government policy of foreign intervention, including military and economic aid. We recognize the right of all people to resist tyranny. We condemn the use of force, and especially the use of terrorism, against the innocent, regardless of whether such acts are committed by governments or by political or revolutionary groups.
Source: 2014 Libertarian Party Platform , Nov 1, 2014

Tyranny around the world must be condemned
We condemn the violations of human rights in all nations around the world. We particularly abhor the widespread and increasing use of torture for interrogation and punishment. We call upon the world’s governments to usher in a new age of international harmony based upon the universal reign of liberty. We recognize the right of all people to resist tyranny.
Source: National Platform of the Libertarian Party , Jul 2, 2000

No U.S. intervention in the affairs of other countries
We would end the current government policy of foreign intervention, including military and economic aid, guarantees, and diplomatic meddling. We would end all limitation of private foreign aid, both military and economic.
Source: National Platform of the Libertarian Party , Jul 2, 2000

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Libertarian_Party_Foreign_Policy.htm


The Libertarian's major foreign policy goal is to end the Federal Government's control of our international military machine, but not to destroy that machine. They want to privatize military spending. They want us to give the keys to the kingdom to the corporations.

Libertarianism has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders' Social Democracy goals. Zero. Zilch. Zip.

[Nonhlanhla]

120. So? What does that have to do with the point here?

My point was a pretty simple one. I know damn well that Bernie is not a libertarian. I was trying to explain what I think the OP meant by calling a Bernie a libertarian on foreign policy: a tendency to not want to intervene.

Personally, I don't think he is completely non-interventionist on foreign policy, although I do think he and the libertarians would probably find some common ground on that issue. And obviously his social democracy stuff has nothing to do with libertarianism.

[demwing]

122. It's pretty simple, actually

the OP wrote: "she is not as libertarian as Sanders" obviously in regard to Hillary's foreign policy.

In a later response, you wrote: "I don't think he is completely libertarian on that either"

I countered that Bernie is 0% Libertarian, and that neither your clarification, nor the original OP, had fairly defined Bernie's policy.

Implying that Bernie is a little Libertarian because he's somewhat of a non-interventionist, is like implying Hillary is a little Libertarian because both believe that "Tyranny around the world must be condemned," a point I made in the post we are discussing.

All of this was very clear. I don't understand why you do not understand.

[Nonhlanhla]

126. I understand perfectly well

My point obviously had nothing to with the official policies of the Libertarian Party but merely with a vague resemblance between Bernie's tendency toward non-interventionism and libertarianism as general philosophical approach, which is what I think the OP had in mind. Official policies by the Libertarian Party have nothing to do with it.

[demwing]

133. Let's quit playing this game

You want to cast Sanders as a Libertarian sympathizer without actually saying so, just like the OP.

I'm calling it out as unfair and inaccurate.

enough with the bullshit.

[KingCharlemagne]

101. I understand your despair. But please consider that you are voting on behalf of your

Latino, Muslim and black brothers and sisters, many of whom cannot vote but who will be most adversely affected should the fascists gain control of all 3 branches of the federal government.

[EdwardBernays]

140. again

I won't be voting out of fear in November... I appreciate you're scared of Republicans, but I'm not... not because they won't suck - they will, but because we'll survive and maybe next time we'd unite around someone who's not a horrible corrupt corporatist.

8 years of Bush brought us Obama. Don't forget that.

[Paulie]

72. Yep

[UnBlinkingEye]

89. LOL

PBS

[wyldwolf]

5. many will fall in line...

... and since this is the first rodeo for many of these self-described 'life-long Democrats,' they'll lose interest.

[mgmaggiemg]

10. yep

[SoLeftIAmRight]

27. many will fall in line...

This sums up the thing very nicely. Many thanks for supporting the establishment. The one percent thanks you.

[redwitch]

30. I always thought it was "Republicans fall in line...

Democrats fall in love" Life long Democrat here.

[Kelvin Mace]

45. Fall in line?

Way to confirm my views of HRC and her supporters.

Fall in line?

No.

[wyldwolf]

46. or go home and pout.

[Kelvin Mace]

64. No, I will vote, just not for HRC

Blame me if it makes you feel better when she loses.

Whatever happens, America will get the president it desrves.

[joshcryer]

65. Yeah, you do.

[wyldwolf]

66. ok.

[bettyellen]

97. We did not deserve either of the Bushes, and certainly not Trump. That is bitterness taking.

[Kelvin Mace]

99. Did we take to the streets and refuse to accept Bush?

No, we didn't.

We just acceped it, like we have accepted every other injustice for decades.

[bettyellen]

146. Vote for another spoiler like Nader and blame other people for Gore's loss. Ironic.

Hopefully, your state doesn't matter in November.

[Kelvin Mace]

148. I voted for Gore in 2000

Also, I would point out that Gore WON the election in 2000. If you have a problem with the actual outcome, you need to take it with the 3 surviving members of the Supreme Court.

Try and stay in the reality-based world.

[bettyellen]

149. I was going to point out he won, but seemed pointless. In this reality based world RW super pacs are

smearing Clinton to fuck over the Dem party and DU is providing a big assist by repeating their "utter disgust".

[Kelvin Mace]

150. Which RW SuperPac made her claim Henry Kissinger as a friend and mentor?

Which one made her vote for the Iraq invasion?

Which one made her champion DOMA?

Which one made her give full throated support to the 1994 Omnibus Crime Control Act with three strikes, mandatory minimum sentences, and more prisons?

Which one made her come out recently and reaffirm her support for the death penalty?

You know, sometimes a bad candidate is just a bad candidate.

[Ed Suspicious]

53. I'm sure you guys will be able to bring all those independents to heel.

[wyldwolf]

59. when faced with the prospect of Cruz or Trump, yep.

[Ed Suspicious]

61. Good luck. You're going to need it.

[SheenaR]

79. Seriously

I take no pleasure in saying it but Trump will destroy Hillary and take most of the independent vote

[wyldwolf]

81. but the same can't be said for Bernie, right? LOL

[SheenaR]

82. You are correct

Check out that 13 minute video on the Greatest Threads. You won't find baggage like that weighing Bernie down in the GE

[wyldwolf]

83. because indies and republicans will feel the bern, right? LOL

[SheenaR]

85. Indies

Are why your sorry candidate can't beat a 74 year old Democratic Socialist

So LOL to that.

Enjoy your night.

[wyldwolf]

86. magic 'progressive' dust will be sprinkled all across the land

[Logical]

125. She's a terrible candidate but better than the GOP.

[JRLeft]

6. I expect Hillary to win, but until she actually wins I will work for Bernie only

after he loses I will fight for Hillary. That made me sick to my stomach, but the Supreme Court is at stake.

[adigal]

77. Me too. I would vote for any Dem before a Republican. Any one. Nt

[jwirr]

100. And because of Scalia's death the SCOTUS can be ours. Now

I will not protest Hillary and lose the court. But I can tell you one thing I will fight her when she tries to sell us out like her husband did.

[Jackilope]

128. Sadly, I agree with your wording. Not "if", it is "when"

She will sell us out, we all know it. TPP will be rolled out, another economic downturn while no banksters go to jail.....

But incrementally and pragmatically, we can expect the GOP to combat any of the lesser crumbs she does offer.

Damn, I am getting depressed. I pray to the Almighty that Sanders gets the nomination.

[AgadorSparticus]

141. He will. Times are changing. It is very clear that the days of politics as usual are over.

[jwirr]

143. Totally agree I to am praying that Sanders wins.

[JonLeibowitz]

7. A few things...

You realize you are addressing this to every Bernie supporter? That is, you are saying that every Bernie supporter is embarrassing every other Bernie supporter. Doesn't really compute

Her record is absolutely not better among all senators.

And as for "traditional liberal understanding of foreign policy" -- Bullshit. You know you actually have to prove things you say, not just state them. She may have a contemporary Democratic foreign policy, but many here disagree with it and certainly do not consider it "liberal".

Further, we elect representatives and senators to exercise their better judgement, not to act as a conduit for bloodlust and revenge. That the NYT grossly misled the American public (see: Judith Miller) makes it no less a colossal misjudgement and taints any potential "liberal foreign policy" credentials. She had all the intelligence data that Sanders did, and made a completely different call. Why? That is the million dollar question, and is perhaps a Rorschach test as much as anything.

[Kittycat]

78. +1 n/t

[Skwmom]

8. There are none so blind as those who will not see (and I'm not talking about Bernie supporters).

And this is more than just issues - it is who she serves and how she does business. People are tired of the corruption and how this country is being destroyed.

[peacebird]

152. ^^^this!^^^

[yodermon]

9. Support Hillary in the General and vote for her.

[Iggy Knorr]

11. By your own admission, "you just dont get it."

Actually you do get it, its just painful to admit your candidate is a loser in the general. Pride stings.

[one_voice]

12. I will vote for Hillary..

if Hillary loses I will vote for Bernie.

That's how I roll.

[hamsterjill]

18. Me, too.

Because I don't want Ted Cruz (or any of the Republican assholes) in the White House.

Let's have a vigorous primary. That's awesome. Then let's all fall in line behind the nominee because that's strategic.

[TexasBushwhacker]

103. Me too, although my Democratic vote for prez in Texas

Doesn't really matter. But I will certainly vote for her.

[intrepidity]

14. Probably curl up in bed for a week

then, regroup.

I would probably try to start a movement to focus on the 24 Republican senators up for re-election. A massive tribute to exactly the sort of movement Bernie wanted to start, to carry it on by first focusing on retaking the Senate. If Bernie can raise the amount of $$ he did, I imagine a grass-roots campaign to retake the Senate might also be able to raise some serious dough and get something done.

I wonder if that could happen? Or am I just a dreamer?

Even if Bernie is out of the game, his revolution should continue.

(And, of course I would vote for Clinton.)

[LWolf]

15. If that should happen,

I'll consider my options.

I hope, I will work and fight, to not have to do so.

She's not Satan. I don't believe in Satan.

She's a neo-liberal who was part of the DLC/Al From/Clinton "bloodless coup" of the 90s that I think did dreadful harm to our country. I'm not turning her into anything. That's what she's been for decades.

I don't respond well to the standard, stereotypical threats involving Republicans. I won't be bullied, and I won't be manipulated through fear. Efforts to do so just piss me off and tempt me to smack back, hard.

Here's what I get: a nation of voters is pissed off and energized for change. You can acknowledge that and make sure that the winner in November will work for positive change by nominating Sanders. Or, you can try to shut the energy down by shoving another Clinton neo-liberal down voters' throats, and see how well that works in November. What I'm going to do, or what DU does, should that happen, will be the least of your worries at that point.

[Avalux]

55. Couldn't have said it better myself. n/t

[SamKnause]

68. ...

[ccinamon]

117. Standing O!!!!

Well said!

[mak3cats]

16. In the primary?

Depending on how he loses (fair or unfair), I'll decide then. If he makes it to the general and loses to whatever R is up, I'll think about moving to Canada. Glad I live near a border.

[TTUBatfan2008]

17. She undermines herself

Race card against Obama/Sanders
Gender card against women who don't want to support her campaign.
Lying and flip flopping on major issues like gay rights/NAFTA
Taking hundreds of millions of dollars from corporate America and then telling the public it has zero effect.

I'm in Texas so my lack of support will not cost her a general election. But I firmly believe her baggage will deliver a landslide for the Republicans, especially Kasich. Over 50% of the country will not vote for her.

[ccinamon]

118. Exactly! n/t

[farleftlib]

19. She's not Satan. She's also not presidential material

Oh, and I don't respond to loyalty oaths.

[Hoyt]

21. It'll be a conspiracy.

[tokenlib]

22. Too busy trying to get Hillary more time for speeches to Wall Street fo a detailed answer...

I can get an emesis bag for the voting booth, but it may not be enough... She may not be Satan..but she is kind of close to Third Way..formerly known as Democrats for the Leisure Class..and after twenty some years of being told I have nowhere else to go, it's getting old.

[Bettie]

23. You speak of increasing resentment between Clinton and Sanders supporters

but you only ask the question of one side.

Do you honestly believe that the vitriol goes only one way?

I'll vote for the eventual nominee whether is it Sanders or Clinton, though I do have a clear and strong preference as to who I'd rather vote for in a general election.

[mak3cats]

47. Love your avatar!

Actually, I resemble your avatar. Fan of Jean Auel, are you? Or (my heart goes pitty-pat) someone working in the field?

[Bettie]

50. Fan yet

person who resembles said avatar, yes again.

[TCJ70]

24. I'll vote for Hillary, and she'll lose. n/t

[PonyUp]

26. Stay the course and vote for real Democrats as planned. nt

[Depaysement]

29. We'll see

I will probably vote for Hillary but do little else.

[Kelvin Mace]

31. No, she is not Satan

She is the 'pragmatist" who paves the road to to Hell by the scenic route.

[Barack_America]

32. Vote straight party and be done with it.

No further interest or involvement in the election beyond that.

[tokenlib]

36. We can't do that in Michigan anymore....stupid GOP f'ers ....n/t

[Jester Messiah]

33. Go silent and just watch. [nt]

[mak3cats]

34. If the number of those of us who support Bernie in the primary...

...is pretty much equal at this point to those of you who support Hillary, why is it that WE are the insurgents? Look up the definition of (small d) Democratic. Thanks!

[SheenaR]

35. Depends on how she wins

Just being honest

If the people have spoken and she has lost a plurality of delegates from the states yet Supers hand her the nomination, I cannot say for certain what I will do.

If she wins fair and square I will vote for her and we will lose all three branches of government.

[99Forever]

37. I will support and vote my conscience.

I have turned no one into anything. Each candidate is responsible for their what own image is and has been, as determined by their own actions and words.

How do you decide whether a candidate is worthy of your support?

[cascadiance]

39. Vote for Hillary, but continue to fight for the movement that Bernie is a part of...

If Hilary loses, then it might end those supporting her's dream of HER being elected to the White House, but for those supporting Bernie, it is more than just supporting Bernie. It is about supporting the larger movement to take out corporate corruption controlling our government and return to a government by and for the REAL people (not the so-called "corporate people&quot !

It will be a step back if Bernie can't become president, but the ultimate goals and movement battles continue on!

[Boomer]

41. Say what?

Since when is Bernie Sanders a Libertarian?

He's not a communist either, he's not even really a socialist. He's a democratic socialist, which really is different from all those other terms people use without, apparently, knowing what they're talking about.

But to answer the question, if Sanders loses I'll vote for HRC. If I have to vote for a Republican, I'll vote for Hillary Republican Lite rather than Trump fascism or Cruz Republican Batshit Craziness.

[restorefreedom]

42. i will be bummed, commiserate with other bernie supporters

about how to continue the work he started, and get on with life.

and there might be some chocolate involved..

[mythology]

93. Chocolate should always be involved in everything.

[restorefreedom]

95. indeed. :) nt

[loyalsister]

43. vote for her with a heavy heart

Watch returns for local races with zero interest in the presidency.

[RobertEarl]

49. More meta?

Why are posts like this allowed to stink up DU?

You should delete this.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

51. Why?

Just because it's bait to try and get Bernie supporters to say things that will get them banned?

[RobertEarl]

56. Heh

That too. It sure will be nice when it's all For Bernie all the time.

[cherokeeprogressive]

52. I will consider crossing that bridge not one minute before I come to it.

Not one.

And fucking please stop lecturing me.

[mhatrw]

54. Hold my nose and vote for the slightly better of the two corrupt corporatist sell outs.

What are you going to do?

[MiniMe]

57. Vote for Clinton

Not voting or voting for the rethug is not an option in my book

[MohRokTah]

58. Before or after I pop the champagne cork?

[berniepdx420]

60. There are so many glaring misrepresentations and overlooks in your post... I don't want to dive

into the weeds with you... so I just want to state an overriding principle and a few examples of the Clintons envolvment ... Our political and economical system is rigged... the consolidation of wealth is threatening our Democracy and putting the squeeze on the bottom 90%. The Clintons helped this come about. Three significant things they did out of many would be... NAFTA, China trade agreement and the Telecommunications Act of 1996.

[doc03]

62. Probably have a steak dinner and a large Sam Adams draft at Longhorn

to celebrate then vote for Clinton.

[hack89]

67. Bernie's "burn the house down" supporters don't care

but what do you expect when you start bandying around words like "revolution."

[B Calm]

69. What are you going to do if Hillary loses?

[HereSince1628]

71. Vote to further establish "the progressive movement", this won't end in November

What does that mean? It means if I get the chance to vote, I'm voting to promote the movement friendly politician from top to bottom of the ballot.

I want the New Dems to be old news, and I'll vote accordingly always for an appropriate democrat.

Will the movement win soon? Maybe not, but then New Dems hardly always win. And if recent research means anything then regardless of how dem voters vote party-line, the dem voters often lose out any way.

I recognize voting against republicans is really -not- the same as voting for a socially progressive government.

[Binkie The Clown]

73. That's not something I'm thinking about right now.

At the moment, I'm focused on helping Bernie win, not on hypothetical negatives.

If that terrible thing should happen, then I will weigh my options then. I don't want to waste time now deliberating about something that might not (or even probably not) ever happen.

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

74. Say "good luck" to Clinton and reregister as an indepedent

I only registered to vote for Bernie.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

75. Fortunately, my ballot comes with more than two choices if that's what happens.

[djean111]

76. Lots of pointless Pledge-y Thingies today!

Why not wait until there is a nominee?

[Kittycat]

84. I remember this Q in 2008 when I supported Obama early on

And the HRC establishment followers were freaking out. I'm not equating Bernie with Obama, nor Obama with HRC, but here's the deal - as a progressive woman, I didn't buy in to what the Clinton's were selling back then, and I don't now. What I'll do in November is my business, regardless of who the candidate is. That's my choice, it's my vote. I don't owe it to anyone because they claim to represent me. They need to prove it.

So, come November, I will vote for the candidate that most aligns with my progressive, liberal beliefs. As for the rest of this litmus test bullshit, that's all it is - bullshit.

[tularetom]

87. Get up in the morning, work out, feed the dogs and cats, eat breakfast, check my e-mail and news

online, pay bills if I have any, drive to town if I have anything I need to pick up, do whatever repairs I have to do around the...

How far do you want me to go with this?

I dont imagine my routine will change measurably if Bernie loses. I'm older than he is and I won't be around to see the long term impacts of a Clinton or Bush presidency. I do have kids, grandkids and great grandkids and I will do what I can to help them but at some point I won't be around to do anymore so they'll be on their own.

But hey, maybe it will be some consolation to somebody if the historians note that a few years before the United States finally went down the shitter, we elected a female president.

[RiverLover]

105. tularetom, you are one cool dude.

Wry, realistic & zen all rolled into one. Just wanted you to know someone out here in the webs enjoyed it, esp the last sentence.

[tularetom]

145. Aw shucks

That's probably the second nicest thing anybody has said to me in months.

The nicest was over the holidays when my granddaughter said to me "You must be doing something right. Mom no longer rolls her eyes when your name comes up". You know you are making progress when your daughter has stopped thinking of you as an eccentric hillbilly.

Anyway, you made my day with that post. You're very kind and I wish you happiness during the Sanders administration and beyond.

[RufusTFirefly]

88. Apologize for having the temerity to believe in an actual democracy..

... instead of a Kabuki democracy dominated by the money and power of a precious few that is no more real than a reality show and should be called out for what it actually is: an oligarchy.

[RiverLover]

108. +1

The charade cannot be continued.

Its an oligarchy. We need our Democracy back.

[daleanime]

90. Considering how far the Democratic party has moved away from my views....

the ridicule and scorn that has been heaped upon those like myself and how desperately the party 'leadership' fights to avoid our perspective, if we fail to change the Democratic party it would be kind of silly for us to stay in it.

[bowens43]

92. I like many Democrats won't votr for her, has nothing to do with Bernie

I don't think she is fit to hold office.

She is pure evil, a vindictive, dishonest, arrogant, condescending , conservative, corporation loving hawkish politician who will do or say anything for power.
She turned her self into a pariah.


I don't see her as a viable alternative to any of the republicans.


If she had no primary challengers I still would never for one moment consider voting for her in the GE. There is no such thing as a 'win' with hillary on the ticket

why don't YOU get it ?

[Live and Learn]

94. Look for someone to primary her, of course. nt

[TransitJohn]

96. Wait for liberals and the young to be blamed for Hillary's killing in the GE

We'll get creamed if she's the nominee. Virtually all independents will vote against her, Dem voter turnout will be very low, and Repub voter turnout will probably be at an all time high to vote against her.

[KingCharlemagne]

98. Her Iraq vote and her manifest lack of remorse or repentance thereto

have rendered her a pariah amongst all who call themselves "civilized."

As for what I shall do in the unlikely event Sanders loses, I shall of course hope for the best, but plan for the worst, a course of action I strongly recommend to all American leftists.

[HassleCat]

104. Same thing you will do if Sanders wins.

Complain bitterly for about ten minutes, then suck it up and urge my friends to vote for our nominee.

[dragonfly301]

106. Why do you need to know?

Seriously, why do you need to know when we still have many primaries to go? I'm focused on getting my candidate the nomination. I never thought I would have an opportunity to vote for someone as liberal as Bernie and I'm ecstatic. All focus is on the nomination.

[RiverLover]

109. Hope the Green Party has room for one more. Their platform is pretty damn good.

http://www.gp.org/four_pillars_10_kv

[JonLeibowitz]

121. .

They do indeed have a good platform. It is a shame that 3rd parties are not allowed into the debates.

[padfun]

110. If Bernie doesnt win,

I will vote for Hillary. Getting control of the Supreme Court is too important of an issue.

[krawhitham]

111. depends on how much BS Hillary & her surrogates sling

I've always voted for the Dem and have never voted for a rethug in my life, but if her campaign continues down the road they are on I do not think I can vote for her. (Don't get me wrong, I will still never vote for a damn Rethug) If we always just "grin and bear it" by voting for people who do not reflect our ideas or morals just because the have a D by their name nothing will ever change.

[aikoaiko]

113. Vote my conscience.

Any other questions.

[Liberal Jesus Freak]

114. Really weary.

I'm going to vote for the Democratic nominee. You?

[woodsprite]

115. I would vote for Hillary in the general. Just as I would expect her supporters

to vote for Bernie in the general if he wins the primaries.

No matter what, we cannot afford to let a Republican win the Presidency! It was important before, but it's even more important now.

[Logical]

123. I will get shit faced drunk on Election Day and vote for her. Nt

[alanpiva]

124. Not to vote for Hillary Clinton.

[yourout]

127. Vote against the Republican nominee... I sure as hell am not...

voting FOR Hillary.

[mikehiggins]

129. If Sanders loses the nomination I will, of course, vote for Hillary

If the GOPukes win the election I will probably just sit in my rocking chair and wait for death. I've had a good run, been married to a wonderful woman, helped raise two wonderful kids and worry about them and the grandkids.

To me, the election of anyone from the clown car will be the final blow to my hopes for this nation to recover its footings and return to the ideals of the New Deal.

I would prefer not to live in Cruz's version of America, or Rubios or any of the others.

Not to be depressing...

[slipslidingaway]

130. According to my millennial son states that some will vote for Clinton, but half might stay home..

an unscientific survey no doubt, but the younger people are inspired by Sanders, not so much by Clinton.

Our daughter, a new internal med doc in Florida, made sure she was registered as Dem to vote for Sanders. She is not too worried about her salary, as she about the state of our HC system.

Living in a state that adjoins NY on 9/11 we were waving a flag, but that does not cloud our judgement for eternity, in fact it was short lived when we saw the lies by the Bush administration.

I just do not get it either, how dare we invade other countries without a thought as to the millions of lives we have destroyed and the terrorists we have helped to create? And now we want only to speak of those who can fight these 'new terrorists' and nothing of the destruction we have committed on others! As Sanders said in the last the debate, there are unintended consequences of our actions, just as there was back in the 1950's with Iran. We need to stop trying to defeat all the devils, that we helped to create!

In Iraq almost 25% of the population was displaced in some manner, why don't you get it.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

131. He's not going to lose

[Admiral Loinpresser]

132. Move to Vermont and smoke blueberry Kush. n/t

[liberal_at_heart]

137. none of your business. Trash thread.

[geek tragedy]

139. When Hillary wins a single primary then we can talk as if she's likely to be the nominee

Right now she's flailing

[wavesofeuphoria]

144. I'll look into it and let you know :)

[NCTraveler]

147. Be very happy and keep supporting Clinton. nt.

[peacebird]

153. Bernie is going to win the nomination, & I will vote for him in the GE

[Orsino]

154. Immediately start loyalty pledge thread #25,664. n/t