"Hanging out on street corners". How dare he!

[Bonobo]

"Hanging on street corners" is shorthand for what people do when they have no jobs.

http://bossip.com/474440/a-lil-positivity-diddy-donates-60-stacks-to-save-the-boys-girls-club-of-harlem/



Diddy said he hopes the extra programs will push teens now hanging on street corners inside to the safety of the clubs. “There is usually a bigger issue to what kids are going through,” said Diddy. “Most kids want a way out.”

[bravenak]

1. P Diddy was not asked how he would improve race relations

Bernie was. His answer: get us off street corners

[Bonobo]

2. Wait, I thought your position was that the phrase was a dog-whistle?

Which is it now?

Do you deny that "hanging on street corners" is short hand for not having a job or productive thing to do?

Anyway, beats the shit out of saying that black kids are super-predators that must be brought to heel in my book.

[bravenak]

3. The problem is that his solution to race issues is to get US off Street corners like its our fault!!

[polly7]

4. No, he's offering solutions with hopes to get ALL kids off street corners.

He never ONCE said it was anyone's fault. That's a lie.

[bravenak]

6. That is a STEREOTYPE

[polly7]

8. No. It's not. nt.

[bravenak]

12. Damn sure is.

A dogwhistle.

[polly7]

16. I guess if you want it to be and are claiming to know what ALL black people think.

What about the white and latino and asian and people of all mixed races seen on street corners - for one reason or another, is it a dog whistle for them, too?

[bravenak]

22. He was talking about race relations

[polly7]

24. He's trying to listen and learn. Unemployment is a huge problem, low wages,

lack of opportunity - all those things cause kids of ALL races to suffer. Your problem seems to be you don't want his efforts to be heard .......... and when they are, you have to make him out to be some kind of racist, despite his life-long work against exactly that.

[bravenak]

26. Then he needs to listen to this

It was hurtful the way he connected that up
It was stereotyping
Apologize
Move on
But pretending nobody was hurt by it or that nothing was wrong just compounds it further
I can get over shit as long as it is acknowkedged.
She has said worse but she knows damn well she fucked up and ADMITS to fucking up.

[polly7]

28. He has nothing to apologize for. nt.

[bravenak]

31. We'll see.nt

[polly7]

32. Yeah, we do see. nt.

[femmedem]

95. I agree that it played into stereotyping

and that acknowledging it, apologizing and learning from it would be very helpful.

A little off topic, but I don't think that Clinton ever did apologize for the super predator statement or her working, hard working, White Americans statement. (I do realize that what Clinton says or doesn't say has no bearing on Bernie's statement. Just saying I'm not sure I agree with you that she admits to fucking up on her own past dog whistles.)

[bravenak]

97. Hillary has said so much it would take awhile to address each one

What I have seen from her is growth over time. She says less now and listens more, not so sure she has all the answers these days. I think it shows a bit of wisdom to shut up if you are a bit clueless. I'm glad she says less and listens more and does small events.

[femmedem]

112. I agree, that's a fair assessment.

I'm not sure if she stays quiet in order to listen or if she stays quiet in order to avoid getting caught in political quicksand, but either shows political acumen.

Hope the math went well.

[Empowerer]

100. Neither he nor his supporters seem to be interested in listening or learning

They're too busy TELLING us why we're wrong and they're right.

[Cal Carpenter]

111. So was President Obama

here (A More Perfect Union speech 2008):

"That legacy of defeat was passed on to future generations — those young men and, increasingly, young women who we see standing on street corners or languishing in our prisons, without hope or prospects for the future."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88478467

Here (NAACP 2014):
"I see those young men on street corners and eventually in prisons, and I think to myself, they could be me; that the main difference between me and them is I had a more forgiving environment so that when I slipped up, when I made a mistake, I had a second chance. And they’ve got no margin for error. "
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/07/14/remarks-president-naacp-conference

and

Here (Chicago 2013):

“In too many neighborhoods… the future only extends to the next street corner or the outskirts of town,” he said.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/chicago-obama-talks-about-the-work


Are these all dog whistles? Stereotypes? Or a real recognition of what our racially-based income inequality leads to for far too many people?

[kristopher]

113. Yep.

[bravenak]

117. Context is everything and Obama is black himself

[putitinD]

36. I remember as a white teenager, during the Reagan recession,

hanging out on street corners, we had no money to go anywhere else. no jobs to be had back then.

[polly7]

43. We never had money either.

I come from a very large family, I remember one night when we were still very young my mom lining us all up and feeding us in turn with a spoon from jars of baby food. That's all we had in the cupboard. Mine was a small town, so we basically just ran to town and hung out on main street. There was no shame in it.

[Bonobo]

7. And into a job that will get them out of the Poverty Cycle.

Think you forgot that part.

Or maybe "Bringing them to heel" as Hillary said should happen to them is less offensive to you?

Strange...

[bravenak]

14. And does fuck all for race relations which was the damn question

[joshcryer]

34. The problem isn't "getting them into a job."

[Bonobo]

35. Sure, Josh.

Unemployment has NOTHING to do with the Poverty Cycle.

[joshcryer]

40. You can't tax your way out of institutional racism.

[Bonobo]

41. I agree!

And you can't legislate racism away either.

But you can try to open up more jobs to lessen the harmful effects of institutional racism.

[joshcryer]

46. What jobs would you propose?

And what analytical process did you arrive to that conclusion?

This is the approach the Black Youth Project is looking at:



It's not a simple one off solution, Bonobo.

[Bonobo]

49. I didn't say it was "simple", Josh. nt

[joshcryer]

52. So no proposal?

This is why we need to be listening to the black community and not dismissing them or saying they should be brought to heel (it is ironic that Clinton using that language is rightly frowned upon, but a DUer used it in this very thread against bravenck and it's A'OK, no one is saying shit about it or condemning it).

This shit stirring is in many ways worse than in 2008.

[Bonobo]

54. Josh, the black community is just that. A community.

I know black people and I know what the fuck is going on with Bravenak too. So I don't need your lectures.

I want to talk to black people that I know and trust, I have plenty of options other than people on an anonymous message board.

[joshcryer]

61. Yeah, OK.

I can't even take that post seriously. Have a good one.

[Bonobo]

63. Same to you. And oh, keep your unneeded lectures to those who need them.

My opinion of you has always been complex, but you have a very snooty and holier-than-thou side to you that you need to rein in.

[joshcryer]

74. Oh, yeah, let's make it personal.

Like how you bash the administration and other Democrats over weed while living in a country that makes US weed look freaking progressive (I have a screenshot of your nasty deleted post, btw). How you are consistent regarding Obama over drones but didn't even bother to say anything about Sanders on drones (the one area where I disagree with him), except for pointless snark.

[Bonobo]

78. Oh, a screenshot saver.

Cool. I love people like that.
BTW, weed is illegal in Japan BECAUSE they were occupied by the US and had it forced down their throats.

[joshcryer]

82. After the second or third time of it happening...

...I couldn't help it. At least you don't deny it.

[Bonobo]

89. Actually I don't WTF you're talking about and I don't care.

I know who I am Josh.

But I don't know who the fuck you are and I KNOW you don't know who the fuck I am.

So hold on to your little thing you think you got whatever it is. Do whatever you want with it.

I don't give a shit.

But that doesn't mean I am not going to tell you how I feel about you and your didacticisms.

[joshcryer]

99. Yeah, you've never insulted me and self deleted.

Never, you're so beyond that, such an impeccable character. You know better. You know what you've called me, said to me, and self-deleted that shit. Several times. I don't care to expose it until the time is right. I will. You treat me as subhuman, like many other Sanders "supporters." Fake support, fake personalities, fake sincerity. I am not anonymous, unlike the libelous posters I experience every few months.

One day, I'm going to snap, and get lawyers involved. I'm writing a novel. If I remotely perceive you slanderous people affect me, the subpoenas happen. I'm talking to you, admin of JPR, I'm talking to you, Bonobo. Please keep shit talking me. Keep it the fuck up. I'm screenshoting, I'm bookmarking everything. You callous individuals, depraved, craven people.

[Bonobo]

101. Good god.

If you are in that kind of emotional shape, Josh, because I said you were preachy... then the problem goes way, way, way beyond DU.

I think you should see someone and I am not being facetious.

I have no idea what I may have called you but it can't be THAT bad. Share it if you want, I could not give one shake of a lamb's tail. More important is the fact that you seem to be in some kind of emotional trouble.

[Bonobo]

104. Honestly I don't even know what to say to your embarrassingly silly warning.

Perhaps you should show these powerful lawyers the above two screeds you wrote when it is time to ultimately reveal the legendary screenshot that you supposedly have of my nefarious deeds.

What you have written to me is far nastier than anything I have said to, with this childish little warning of bringing down lawyers (gasp!) upon our heads. Do you imagine you are speaking to someone who would be cowed by such a ridiculous threat, I wonder?

About this post and the one above, I do hope you leave this up, though fear not, it is captured for posterity.

Frankly I would alert, but given your nastiness, I am happier just to let it stay visible so everyone can get a glimpse.

You say you are not a coward, that you have such great things in the works. I am happy to hear that and I wish you luck on your novel!!! I hope one day to tell my children and their children that I knew the great Josh Cryer when he was just an angry youth shouting on message boards.

[Warren Stupidity]

105. FYI

On Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:48 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Good god.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1237305

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"If you are in that kind of emotional shape, Josh, because I said you were preachy... then the problem goes way, way, way beyond DU.

I think you should see someone and I am not being facetious. "

What an ugly nasty personal attack. This kind of shit has no place on DU at all. Insensitive, inappropriate and horribly offensive to anyone actually suffering from a mental illness.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:54 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A calm response to a bizarre threatening off the rails rant. Josh needs a timeout, not bonobo.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Bonobo]

106. Thank you. I think my responses were mild compared.

He called me "sociopathic".

He called me "asshole".

AND he threatened me.

I chose not to alert because I think it is better for his posts to be visible.

Frankly, though, his emotional tone is concerning. Very threatening.

[Warren Stupidity]

107. I alerted on his threats.

That is completely unacceptable here.

[Bonobo]

108. Thank you. They were...troubling. And not from a legal POV. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

118. Well of course I got a nasty-gram in response.

Josh should take a voluntary time out. He is clearly over-invested in a stupid political message board.

[polly7]

109. Really?

I think you need to do a little introspection and stop accusing others of being so 'mean', it got old years ago.

I brought this back up for you re: your support of regime change in Libya and absolutely hating those of us who were against it, when you were cheering gov't overthrowal in Venezuela, I'll do it again here. You can't handle opposing opinions without making it all about how you are a victim, of something or other.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2164258#2165241

You should just stop trying so hard to villainize people here for posting things you don't agree with.

[Dragonfli]

10. I call bullshit, and worse still, you are a very smart woman and you know it /nt

[bravenak]

15. It's a fucking stereotype admit that at the very least

[oasis]

48. I agree. Can you imagine Bernie addressing the very group

he's referring to in a school assembly setting? "I'm going to help you kids get off the street corner". I don't think it would be too well received by students, faculty or parents.

[bravenak]

50. No shit!

Is he coming to the Art Building on campus to tell us that cops fuck with us cause here we are on the corner? We get racism on the WAY TO WORK. At work. After work. At school. Damn damn damn those damn street corners!!!!

[oasis]

55. No matter how well intentioned his remarks were, Bernie

stumbled into a stereotype. Many here don't realize the subtlety.

[bravenak]

79. Exactly

[Dragonfli]

5. Judging by a certain post above, someone has been brought to heel. Sad really

[PonyUp]

9. I see what you did there. n/t

[joshcryer]

30. This is fucked up.

This whole thing is fucked up.

[betsuni]

110. +1

[Number23]

115. Sorry you got stifled in this thread. At least you got a chance to call it exactly what it was

before you got shut out.

But I love those who waited until you got a post hidden to come out of absolutely nowhere to respond to you, and with mess that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. That's some serious courage, right there.

[arcane1]

11. Homeless people hang out on the streets too. Apparently it's become "bad" to acknowledge that

Once they get into nit-picking every word, they KNOW they have lost

[valerief]

13. You're ruining the poutrage!

[PonyUp]

17. LOL!!!! n/t

[PonyUp]

18. Your post made someone create their own. LOL. n/t

[polly7]

19. Expect at least another five by morning.

It's a game, she's admitted it.

[PonyUp]

21. Looks like someone got gamed by the game. n/t

[Cheese Sandwich]

20. Bernie supporter here. I cringe every time he says hanging out on street corners.

First of all, hanging out on street corners is fucking awesome. It's a great time so I'm not sure what business it is of any politician if I want to hang out on a street corner. Maybe pull up a lawn chair and a cooler. Play a game of chess.

Bernie isn't saying it to be racist, but I see how people could take it that way. It's just a communication problem. Bernie means everyone should be able to have a job or be able to go to school. He talks like an old man sometimes.

In fact I was just discussing this question with a friend today, another huge Sanders supporter. We both agreed it sounded a little cringe worthy and racial. When's the last time you heard anybody say we need to get all these white kids off the street corners in a rich white suburb? It simply doesn't get used on them in that way. Or not as much. Maybe skateboarders.

I don't think it's the end of the world, but I wish Bernie would find a different way to express the idea. A few little changes like that could help communicate better with people who enjoy spending time outdoors on their own street corners in their own neighborhoods. Why you raised this issue I have no idea, but knew immediately what you are talking about.

[Bonobo]

23. In the case of rich white suburbs, different language is used because of the lack

of street corners.

Furthermore, rich white suburban kids do not have a notable problem with the poverty cycle.

Phrases such as "get out of mom's basement" are more common in such cases.

[Cheese Sandwich]

37. It may be defensible by that logic but if it makes voters cringe perhaps a different approach would

help.

If some black kids in a big city want to play basketball in the park or play chess outside the library, instead of working at McDonalds, who the fuck is Bernie Sanders to come chase them off the corner? They have every right to enjoy the public spaces in their own damn neighborhoods. If anything we ought to be talking about empowering people to take control of their neighborhoods.

I do support Bernie though so actually I'm trying to help.

[Bonobo]

38. Okay.

I hear you.

Doesn't come close to "Bring those super-predators to hell" in my book, but I can see your point.

It's nice to have a reasonable conversation about things when people aren't being deceptive but actually just sharing thoughts.

[Cheese Sandwich]

73. Well I certainly agree with you about that.

Bernie's mistake is mostly miscommunication and it's an accident, but I honestly do think it's hurting him with voters.

But Hillary is much worse: super-predators, race baiting Obama in 2008, "If that is your position then I will talk only to white people," and most importantly her policies suck.

[SMC22307]

45. Oh, yeah, this is a great place to sit outside and play chess.

Library? What fucking library?



Enjoy those public spaces, kids!

[Cheese Sandwich]

60. Point taken. Some corners are too dangerous to hang out on.

So then Bernie could talk about how are we going to fix up neighborhoods to be safer.

But saying we need to stop people from hanging out outdoors, it sounds like victim blaming. Last I checked standing around outside was still legal in America. Even on a corner.

I'm not criticizing the policy of giving people jobs and school options. That is awesome. Just the words. Like how do we keep people out of jail? Gotta stop em from hanging out on the corner? Makes no sense to me. Sounds like victim blaming. People should be able to hang out on the corner. If it's too dangerous, lets fix it up, don't blame me for just simply standing there outdoors, which is well within my rights.

[SMC22307]

76. Bernie is not blaming kids for hanging out on street corners (neither were Obama or Diddy).

They're all acknowledging a tremendous lack of opportunity -- education, volunteering, community centers, jobs, etc. Bored kids living in poverty with no hope often get into trouble. This isn't rocket science. Then there's the school-to-prison pipeline issue -- those kids are easy pickins, which is obscene.

Where does Clinton Foundation money go? Any of it funneled to Detroit? Baltimore? Dying (or dead) Rust Belt cities?

"Still legal in America," "well within my rights"... sounds rather Teabaggerish. You know damn well Bernie isn't suggesting a ban on hanging out outdoors. C'mon.

[bravenak]

33. Thank you very much

[Bonobo]

39. And that is the kind of reasonable response you could expect if you didn't step in

with a fucking flamethrower every time (just to have a little fun).

Some people punch back too (just like you!)

[bravenak]

42. bonobo this shit is offensive

Stereotypes are fucking fucked up and you know EXACTLY how it FEELS to be stereotypes for your RACE. And for people to PRETEND that they do not hear it.

[Bonobo]

47. Urban poverty isn't just a stereotype. It is a problem.

And yeah, people ARE forced into activities that are bad for them.

How do you deal with it?

You either do as Bernie calls for: Giving them jobs and opportunities, or you "bring them to heel" (as Hillary said).

You have chosen to take offense for reasons somewhat unrelated to the realities of what the two politicians believe in.

You have chosen to make this into a fucking game. Don't get pissed off when you knock a ball out of bounds or kick one into you own goal now.

[bravenak]

53. That is a fake answer

[Bonobo]

56. Here's a real answer.

I get where you might feel irritated by the "street corner" thing.

Unfortunately you have been so dishonest in your selective outrage, such an unreliable partner in having a reasonable conversation here on DU and dealing with this shit in a straight up fashion, that you are now suffering the effects of your own disingenuous approach.

If you HAD been more honest, less manipulative, less concerned with "hitting people where they hurt" and having actual dialog, then we would not be talking like this.

This is a bed that you made and you can't all of a sudden just want to have a reasonable conversation without coming clean.

THAT is as real as it fucking gets. Hope you appreciate it.

[bravenak]

57. Except I am not the only one who noticed.

So, yeah right, bullshit. Anything to not fix the problem.

[Bonobo]

59. Except he included White and Latina kids in the street corner reference.

So I don't understand your reflexive reaction.

Now if he had only mentioned black kids, or if he had failed to specify anyone and left it to the dog-whistling imagination, I could understand.

That is how dog-whistles work you know. You leave it unmentioned so the imagination fills in the blank.

Sanders did not do that. Because Sanders is not that type of person.

[bravenak]

62. Slowly

It was a BLACK FORUM.
The question was on him improving race relations
The answer was getting us off of street corners.

[Bonobo]

66. Okay, I will try to follow.

First, you said "us", but it seems that he was referring to all kids in poverty. Should I post the quote again here?

“Because what we will do is say, instead of giving tax breaks to millionaires, we are going to create millions of jobs for low-income kids so they’re not hanging out on street corners,” he said. “We’re going to make sure that those kids stay in school or are able get a college education. So I think that when you give low-income kids, African-American, white, Latino kids, the opportunities to get their lives together, they are not going to end up in jail. They’re going to end up in the productive economy, which is where we want them.”

So I see that he said "low income" kids and then described them as "African-American, white and Latino.

Where does the "us" come from?

[bravenak]

67. It was a BLACK FORUM

Not a LOW INCOME FORUM
The forum was not about ALL PEOPLE
It was about US
BLACK PEOPLE

[Bonobo]

68. Okay, let's go with that and forget that he did not say only black kids are on street corners.

So how could it help with race relations is your question, right?

Okay, how about this. And bear in mind, I am just brain-storming...

Black kids, white kids, latino kids that are jobless and enter into gangs are also participants in poor race relations, right?

I mean gangs tend to shake out into racial groups, am I wrong? You don't see a lot of white kids in black gangs and black kids in white gangs, right?

Now let's forget about gangs, let's just talk about urban violence. Can you concede that lack of jobs, lack of money feed some criminal activity? Let's assume you agree to that non-controversial statement...

The next thing is that criminal activity also contributes to race relation problems, whether it is White on Black crime, White on Latino crime or Black on White crime. Crime breeds bad relations... Am I still on reasonable ground here?

[bravenak]

69. So we are criminals thats why race realations are bad? Really?

So rich black kids that experience racism are just criminals. White kids that do crime just contribute to bad race relations. Hello? Stereotype much?

[Bonobo]

75. Wait a minute, what?

He gave ONE WAY that ONE APPROACH may make ONE DIFFERENCE.

He did not say that rich black kids' experience of racism would be fixed.

He gave one of the many things that are important steps in easing relations BETWEEN races.


>White kids that do crime just contribute to bad race relations.

He specifically DID say White kids too. But when I say that he did, you keep saying that it was a BLACK forum as if that removes the fact that he specifically mentioned kids of all races. WTF?

[bravenak]

77. He was supposed to discuss BLACK ISSUES

Not generics. We matter.

[Bonobo]

81. Yes, you matter. Let me ask you a REAL question.

Bernie was talking about money for urban kids in poverty.

he dared to suggest that this might improve things such as helping deal with some of the effects of the poverty cycle and yes, contribute to an improvement in race relations.

So here's the real question:

Let's agree that racism is a complex, intractable and really fucking difficult social disease that must be addressed and dealt with through a wide variety of approaches. Okay?

Do you HONESTLY think that there is no relationship AT ALL between racism and poverty and crime? Do you honestly think that if more white kids, latino kids and black kids were lifted out of poverty that we would not see less crime, less interracial violence?

Not all crime is done by black people. White people are criminals too. There are thugs, neo-nazis, etc. that have no jobs and no education. If they have to resort to crime, or if they don't have jobs and enjoy beating up black people (for example) for fun (because they have nothing to lose and nothing better to do), then this is part of poor race relations, no?

My REAL question to you is: Do you really disagree that infrastructure support in urban communities is NOT part of how we can improve the poor state of things, including race relations, as a side effect of lifting people out of miserable lives?

[bravenak]

83. Here goes

The fact that everytime we discuss black issues or race relations and he brings it to poverty is confusing. Does he think black equals poor or that the only concern we have is poverty? Or that we are not offended by the idea that black equals poor? We know we have poverty issues and they are based on race.
You can give one hundred percent of us jobs and that will do fuck all for race relations, might just piss racists off more.
He does not seems to want to discuss race on it's own without going immediately into an economic based solution and NOTHING ELSE. And his phrasing is hurtful. I hate that he's see's us and thinks street corners and jail and poverty. As if us working changes one bit of racist attitudes towards us.

He needs to take the time and think about it without going straight to his stump speech. It's like we are an afterthought that he will just use his generic solutions to fix our non generic specific to black people problems. This is why I said he needed more blacks on staff. Whomever is helping him prepare for these events is not helping him. Fire Divine I say. He aint never won in the usa for decades i think. Not since Carter? He should have hired a professor on diversity who is not controversial in the black community. An intersectionalist. These issues will never go away, they will get more attention each cycle until the minority majority takes hold. All candidates will have to deal with non generic campaigning with non nondescript groups.

[Bonobo]

84. Totally got it.

I will totally admit that his POV is squarely centered on economic injustice.

There is a fuckload more than economics behind racism! I agree. I get it, 100%.

Still, although he does not focus as comprehensively on the race issues as you would like, it must be said that he is a guy who zeroes the fuck in on a problem facing more than just black people. That is economic fairness.

None of that is to say that he is not ALSO totally committed to racial justice. I think he is, but his POV IS primarily economics.

I don't disagree with you one bit on that.

I ALSO hear you when you say that it hurts you that you think he thinks that racism is the result of poverty. I don't think he thinks that. I think he thinks that the two are linked. And they are.

He should/could do better on messenging. But he is not a sleazeball who hires fucking marketing survey firms. I like that about him. His heart is good and I am sorry you don't see it the way I do. Then again, he is MY people and I don't expect YOU to have full insight into them just like you don't expect ME to have full insight into Black people. I know who Bernie is and I wish you would have a little more trust when I say that. I don't expect it. I just wish for it.

[bravenak]

86. Thank you

How he responds to criticism will build trust or not. If he gets why it sucks I will treat it like I treat all the shit Clinton said.
Everybody says shit that comes off bad or even was said exactly how they feel but was incomplete or uninformed.
If he can treat them as separate but connected rather than one size fits all he will do much better, you know I do not love politicians. Except Obama. Maybe Jill Stein. They cool.

[Bonobo]

87. Thanks for the real connection, B. nt

[bravenak]

88. No prob.nt

[Digital Puppy]

91. Reading this is like banging your head against at G.D. wall...

...and people wonder why others don't speak up...it's because some of you folks seem to have the damn answer to everything and refuse to f'ing listen!

Jeez, man, your tone is...............whatever.

God bless you Bravenak for having the strength to put up with this shit...

[bravenak]

92. Fuck it, even I am fucking finished now, fuck it.

[Number23]

114. I don't even see why you bother. There are some that have made it their purpose here to

not see or understand any damn thing that black people are saying.

And they are the first ones chasing after us questioning our "credibility" and demanding that we answer their questions -- and that the answers align with exactly what they want to hear, of course -- without having the first damn clue that no one here would ever bother questioning their credibility because we already know it doesn't exist and never has.

[bravenak]

116. It's deliberate, I know it

I'm done

[femmedem]

93. Thank you. n/t

[Number23]

58. Thank you so much for saying this

When's the last time you heard anybody say we need to get all these white kids off the street corners in a rich white suburb? It simply doesn't get used on them in that way.

Exactly. Which is what everyone is saying.

[Bonobo]

70. Another person that sees this, but has no issue with "Bring to heel", "super predators"

You expect people to see you as a fair and reasonable partner in this dialog?

[JDPriestly]

90. I suspect that phrase goes back to Bernie's days in Brooklyn.

That is probably what kids who didn't have jobs and weren't in school did during the day in his Brooklyn neighborhood. Today it is homeless people who hang out on the streets.

Kids play in the streets. They don't just hang out there.

There is a difference in my opinion.

On edit. It occurred to me that there is a gang injunction in my neighborhood, and that may be why I don't see teenagers hanging out on our streets. It is strongly discouraged.

[grasswire]

64. Bernie does not limit his language to black kids.

He specifically includes low income white kids and various PoC.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

102. Ah, but there's the difference...

Even though the 'problem' with Sanders is that he 'always' talks about everything in terms of poverty, all poverty, and not just black poverty, if he says something that could be taken as an insult by people wanting to be insulted, it only applies to black people. See how that works?

I've hung out on a few street corners in my time, although I'd admit not often. It happened when I had no job, no money to go do anything, and hadn't yet managed to accumulate enough non-cash wealth to do much at home.

Sanders sees things through his economic lens. We've established that over and over. And the very same people who see that as a serious problem and complain that he doesn't change his language to address race specifically, even when talking to black people, about black problems, suddenly feel that in THIS instance, he suddenly was talking only about black people rather than all poor people. Strange, isn't it?

[loyalsister]

72. It does conjur a stereotype

Every time he says it, I am reminded of the cityscape scenes from crime dramas. It's a reasonable criticism.

One thing about Bernie that I have appreciated is his willingness to accept criticism from voters with grace. Like the way he listened to BLM after Netroots. He did what we hope they all will do. He listened and responded to criticism with a plan to address the demands of BLM.

[bravenak]

80. Thank you. I think if he knew it was offensive he could fix it

Byt somebody has to let him know before he can fix it. He mighg just be our candidate. We need to know that no matter who it is, they will b responsive.

[femmedem]

96. I am really thrilled to hear you say this!

That if he can keep learning and be responsive, that it's not too late for him to gain more black support.

Have a great day, bravenak. I'm off to work, but I hope you enjoy a day off from classes.

[bravenak]

98. I think he can

How come I'm the only one who has to go to class today? My kids dont but I have to go do math, yuck. Have a good day at work!

[Senator Tankerbell]

25. Obama has said something similar.

"How many teenagers have we seen hanging around on street corners when they should be sitting in a classroom?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/15/obamas-fathers-day-speech_n_107220.html

Obama was criticized for this speech. Some people thought it sounded like victim-blaming. Sanders was just saying that he wants to provide opportunities through government action rather than patronizing speeches about fatherhood.

[Iggy Knorr]

27. how dare he

doesn't he know that someone on DU will be so mad?!?! someone with 3 posts hidden in 90 days: -60

[PonyUp]

44. ...

[SMC22307]

51. Two more will be forthcoming.

Someone can't help herself.

[Bonobo]

29. That's such a dog-whistle! But that was like what? A few years ago?

I wanna talk about NOW!

[PonyUp]

65. And now, for your listening pleasure:

[Downwinder]

71. I hung out on street corners and parking lots 60 years ago.

Thought that was what teens did. Couldn't afford to cruise Central Ave. all night. When I got a job I quit that.

[Indepatriot]

85. I grew up in the 60s/70s in Detroit. I am white. My friends and I hung out on street corners.

We did this alot when there was nothing "better" to do. Please, keep grasping at straws...you must be livid with Hillary's depiction of black youths as "SUPERPREDATORS" huh?.....or when she said "..hard working Americans, white Americans".....I know that pissed me off.

[Katashi_itto]

94. Where is Hillary in all this? I find her lack addressing this disturbing.