Sexism

[boston bean]

Boo!















Seems the very mention of it in regards to Hillary gets many in a dither.

I find that very curious. Could it be it is an issue?

[daleanime]

1. I don't see how?

But then again I'm a sexist, racist Bernie supporter, so what do I know?

[beam me up scottie]

2. Every criticism about Hillary is "sexist" according to some.

Now there's a backlash, go figure.

When have we seen this before...

[NCTraveler]

3. It is a very deep issue. One that involves a lot of "newcomers."

It was recently stated multiple times here that Clinton can't be at the end of sexist attacks because of her stature. I want to ask those same people if they think Obama can be at the receiving end of racist attacks. Those with the ability to think fully understand that Clinton can be attacked in a sexist manner and Obama can be attacked in a racist manner.

A couple of things were really made clear hear today.

[boston bean]

6. And female senators are only saying this to get the queen

elected. That's what I'm getting from it any how. And also how the blow back against them will teach them a lesson.

I am finding it all very illuminating.

[betsuni]

7. "Those with the ability to think" -- yah, that's going to be a problem.... (nt)

[NurseJackie]

24. You have a way with words. Thank you ...

... for clearly stating your observations. I must wholeheartedly agree with you!

[cosmicone]

4. It IS an issue and her surrogates need to talk about it. n/t

[cali]

9. They do. Non-stop.

[Duckhunter935]

5. because it is so overplayed

Any disagreement even on a policy has been labeled sexist. Cry Wolf too many times and it surprises you? Of course as I have been called here a sexist and a racist, however that is fine.

[boston bean]

10. Women are always crying wolf. It could not possibly be

There is any merit to the claim.

Pretty much all I hear is THAT is not sexist. Its the standard response. Very rarely is there a conversation. Just a shut up you're wrong type of response.

[Duckhunter935]

13. there is indeed sexism out there and it

Is wrong. But not every difference is based on sexism like some like to think.

[beam me up scottie]

21. You said the word "unraveling" was sexist the other day.

That is crying wolf.

Someone else said the word 'chicken' was sexist.

Again crying wolf.

Is there sexism directed at Hillary? Yes, but not in every corner like some people claim.

Boo! indeed.

[boston bean]

23. Why dont you link to that and show all the bernie

Supporters begging the OP change the title of the OP. Which is what my response was based upon. Prior to any edit.

You can be better than this.

[beam me up scottie]

26. It doesn't matter if it was changed, that's not a sexist word.

Why don't you link to all the responses calling you out for making such a ridiculous claim?

Well deserved too, imo. You do a disservice to real victims of sexism when you cry wolf.

[boston bean]

27. Why did so many people beg for the bernie supporter to change the title?

Because they knew as well that stating Hillary Clinton herself is unraveling has sexist connotations.

[beam me up scottie]

32. Men are accused of unravelling too, look it up.

Posters objected because Bernie never said that, not because it was sexist.

Here's one:

he did not call Hillary "unraveling"
The headline is misleading.

Nice try but no cigar.

[boston bean]

34. Answer the actual question.

You wont because that would force you to recognize I was not the only one who had the same reaction.

[beam me up scottie]

35. I admit it.

You're not the only one who cried wolf and claimed there was sexism where none existed.

You're welcome!

[boston bean]

36. Well thanks for that at least.

[Waiting For Everyman]

8. I don't see her saying, "don't vote for me because I'm a woman".

She expects to benefit from it, and that's fine with her, but at the same time complain that she's disadvantaged by it. WTF. Pick a side and stick with it.

[boston bean]

11. Very insightful.

[Waiting For Everyman]

12. You're welcome.

[boston bean]

29. For what?

[Squinch]

38. I don't see Bernie saying "don't vote for me because I'm a man"

He does benefit from the fact that he is a man, because we all know there are plenty of people out there who will vote for a man over a woman because he is a man. And that is fine with him.

But at the same time, his supporters get all upset that Hillary doesn't tell people not to vote for her because she's a woman.

You can't have both sides either.

[PyaarRevolution]

14. There has been sexism towards Hillary.

I don't think anyone will deny it.

That being said, I don't think most Bernie supporters here will stoop to such low actions. I've said my issues with Hillary and NONE of them have to do with her gender. I would rather have Cynthia McKinney or Elizabeth Warren as the nominee running against Bernie. Seriously, I feel Hillary thinks she's OWED this Presidency because she's checkmarked all the boxes...senator, first lady, sos, etc. She has also gathered many favors owed to her from those in the Democrat party as a senator and so they give her an endorsement and say nasty things about Bernie.

[Orsino]

15. Can you be any more specific?

Anything in particular DU should work on?

[mcar]

16. It is, of course but no one is allowed to address it

Because gender card or something. I seem to recall hearing certain politicians being criticized for playing the race card too.

[whatchamacallit]

17. Only for those who see it in everything (actually present or not)

Do the senators attribute women supporting Sanders to sexism?

[boston bean]

18. Please excuse women living as women explaining their experiences.

I don't assume women are lying about their experiences for some gain. But obviously many do.

[whatchamacallit]

20. There is plenty of genuine sexism aimed at Hillary

but mostly from the right. If the senators believe this is why democrats are supporting Sanders, they're miles off mark.

[boston bean]

25. I disagree in that it is mostly from the right.

Ive experienced plenty from the left. So have many women.

But maybe that's just certain women imagining it or making it up. I know that makes some feel better that than their group has way less of it but its pretty prevalent on the left as well.

[whatchamacallit]

31. I wouldn't argue you haven't

That said, do you actually believe it's a significant factor in Bernie's popularity?

[boston bean]

40. Some of the posts here calling her a queen

Posting unflattering images from rw sites
Her tone
Calling her Her Royal Highness
The posts about her clothing
The overall tone about her addressing sexism she faces is that she is a conniving woman who is playing a gender card.

This crap is posted on a day basis.

Women who have experienced consequences due to these attitudes recognize them for what they are.

[JonLeibowitz]

43. What is sexist about "Her Royal Highness"?

I always took it as a dig about her inevitability.

[whatchamacallit]

44. Right, people are harsh

but if similar slights are applied to men, and they are (I do it all the time), is that sexism or something different?

[boston bean]

46. You should know that the baggage

these attitudes carry effect women in ways they do not men. It carries all sorts of negative outcomes based on sexist stereotypes. It manifests itself in real ways that cause disparity. It's not just the words, it is the attitude and how the acceptance of this in society harms women.

[whatchamacallit]

48. I accept that

I guess the reason I challenge sexism being a significant factor in not supporting Hillary, is her gender is not an issue for me. I can't speak for anyone else, but it's easy to assume the positions and qualities that attract me to Bernie, resonate with others as well. I suspect that more than anything else is what's driving his popularity.

[cyberswede]

19. Are some criticisms of HRC sexist? Yes. Are all criticisms of HRC sexist? No.

Easy peasy.

[Arazi]

22. You need to read Shasta Willistons excellent piece

Nobody's in a dither about "sexism".

It's that feminism has changed. That IS an issue but it's not the one HRC supporters want to have imo

http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2016/02/10/23553077/guest-editorial-young-women-dont-owe-clinton

[polly7]

37. That was great. +1000. nt.

[Arazi]

39. They've moved beyond outward trappings. They've internalized feminism

Snip

But the world has changed. We've raised an entire generation in the worst economic crash since the Great Depression. They grew up under a surveillance state, with constant background war. They grew up within economic disparity so great it is literally unimaginable, almost indescribable. They grew up in a world where a large portion of their responsible elders have simply denied scientific facts ranging from evolution to climate change... and continued to win elections.

So they’re going to make up their own minds. They see the white, male, Democratic socialist sit down and listen to the BLM activists who interrupted him. They see him seeking out Native American counsel, and they see him paying his interns a fair wage. They see policies promising real potential for jobs and education and health care, and they think it's entirely fair that the very wealthiest should give back some of their spoils to pay for it.

Those young feminists who support Sanders are not naive or disloyal. They are building a new world, and they are demanding a new politics that invites everyone to play. They are, in fact, doing exactly what we feminists of a certain age once wished for our daughters: thinking for themselves, unburdened by gender.

Snip

Too many good lines in there

[hopeforchange2008]

28. It may be an issue, but is it not THE issue with the rejection of Hillary

Anyone - male or female - who is as disingenuous as she is gets more people in a dither.

[HassleCat]

30. Well, yeah!

Some people oppose her simply because she is a woman. Some people criticize her with stereotypes of women. We have these issues going back at least as far as JFK and his religion, and probably before that.

[highprincipleswork]

33. She's a woman. That doesn't make every attack or valid point raised "sexist".

How do I know? Because I am just as tired of Bill Clinton and his brand of politics as I am of Hillary's. Is he also a woman now? Is that "sexist"?

[longship]

41. Let's get this straight.

This Democratic Party primary election is not about gender. Anybody who makes that claim is full of horseshit. Both candidates are equally positive on the issue.

So such claims need to be set aside, at least until there is a nominee, where women's rights will come into a vastly more clear focus no matter which candidate is the nominee.

I will support Bernie Sanders in the MI primary but will support and vote for whichever candidate obtains the nomination. I am a life-long Democrat and I support my party. Enthusiastically!

We have two great candidates. I have my preference, but both are head over heals better than any alternative offered by the GOP.

The Dem primary is not about gender equality.

Enough said?

[cherokeeprogressive]

42. An issue? Nnnnnnope.

Policies are issues, and on that count Hillary Clinton loses.

Past performance is an issue, and on that count Hillary Clinton loses.

Libya, Syria, and the IWR vote are issues, and on those counts Hillary Clinton loses.

[840high]

45. Yes. I would

vote for Warren with no reservations. I don't trust Hillary.

[Avalux]

47. I don't much care about genitalia. I care about solutions and honesty.

I want to vote for a person who doesn't bring it up their sex every 5 minutes and use it as a weapon in their campaign. I want to vote for a person who I know has my back.

That person isn't Hillary.