Hillary and the DNC do realize what would happen if the superdelegates subvert the popular vote?

[brentspeak]

Or if HRC"s campaign were to sway the nomination using other sort of underhanded means?

The best-case scenario would be that many voters write in Bernie's name at the polls.

HRC would still easily lose the election, of course, but at least the Democratic pols on the ticket wouldn't necessarily be abandoned by the party's base.

The worst-case scenario, of course, would be that many voters simply stay home for the election.

Suggestion for the party's elite: don't play any games. Thanks in advance.

[kcjohn1]

1. DNC is trying to protect itself

Than win elections. I get the sense they would prefer GOP to radical change to the establishment. Everyone of them got to this point playing the game in this system, and any change to the system they are the first to lose.

The part I don't understand is why they feel the need to push Clinton down our throats. She is pretty bad candidate and anyone with foresight could have seen that 1-2 years ago that she would have hard time beating the GOP. Why not get other establishment candidates in there? I think O'malley would have being a better candidate for the establishment in terms of electablity.

[Betty Karlson]

17. Debbie has too many GOP friends. (n/t)

[Ferd Berfel]

19. SHe HAS supported Republicans over Democrats

[ChairmanAgnostic]

22. she was WAY OUT OF HER league

and squandered many opps in her position. Worse, she tried to line her own pockets, and those of her top aides. Worse of all, her blatant thumb on the scales in favor of Hillary was so offensive, that even Hillary supporters realize how bad the whole situation stinks.

[Ferd Berfel]

25. almost as though

someone installed a person they could control........... hmmmmm....

[Chasstev365]

2. The Democrats will lose a generation of voters

But the Clintons don't give a shit; as long as they get back to the White House and continue their Republican lite policies, it's all good. And it's all about them!

[ladjf]

33. They might top a billion bucks before it's all over. nt

[Lucinda]

3. So far there is no evidence of any great popular vote surge for Bernie.

He won NH by 50k+ votes.
A great number for NH perhaps, but nothing in the grand scheme of things.
If that changes, and if he has a huge swell of support and the delegate numbers become close, then the supers will do what they did in 08. In the meantime Clinton has a sizable advantage.

[Trajan]

5. He bested her by 22% points ...

A pittance ..

Tell you what - we Bernie supporters would GLADLY accept a measly, miniscule 22 percentage point win in every state ... We would feel so bad then!

Hopefully you are there, crowing triumphantly how he only won by 50,000 votes ..

[Lucinda]

8. The numbers are the numbers. He did well in NH - in a two person race it gave him

some great historic bragging rights.
But in the end, it was 50k+ votes, and a handful of delegates difference, in a party of - apx 70 million registered voters.

[loyalsister]

16. Assuming poor people and the grassroots die before the election

I have talked to many and they absolutely will not vote for the candidate who shows them disdain and promises to not be an advocate for things that would truly improve their daily lives.
There are a lot of angry voters and Hillary personifies what they are angry at.

[Lucinda]

18. The numbers so far, do not support any great new turnout. While that may change

it hasn't happened so far.

[loyalsister]

21. Define "new"

I'm talking about recoverable Obama voters who have stopped voting because they hear about an economic recovery, know they have been left out, and have sworn off politics.
They have been perking up and will vote for Bernie. These voters see Hillary as part of the problem and will not vote for her. Not only because of her own actions, but because she was part of the administration they feel betrayed them.

[Lucinda]

27. I could just as easily say that people assume Clinton will be the nominee and are just waiting to

come out for the GE.

I'm just looking at the stats. The stats, to date, don't support a revolution, with new voters breaking down the doors on our side.

[HassleCat]

6. Probably both

If Clinton wins the nomination by her superdelegate margin, there will be a write-in campaign, AND Democrats will stay home in large numbers. Under such circumstances, a Republican would stand an excellent chance of winning.

[HooptieWagon]

30. Or Third Party...I predict Jill Stein gets a lot of votes with a Clinton nomination theft.

[mgmaggiemg]

7. well GOP

would love that now wouldn't they? are you one of those who would stay home?

[HooptieWagon]

31. Debbie loves her republican friends...

It probably doesn't matter to her one way or the other, as long as those corporate checks keep rolling in.

[Oilwellian]

9. If they vote against the will of the people

it would be the greatest gift to the Republican candidate. What an ad it would make. All they'll have to say is "look, she couldn't even get a majority of Democrats to vote for her."

It will be the end of the Democratic Party for quite some time and a guaranteed win for Republicans in the GE.

[jwirr]

26. If Hillary has any concern for this country at all she will not

go this far. She has already taken the big money, lied about Bernie, tried to manipulate the debates, etc. No one trusts her. If she thinks it is in the best interest of the country she will step aside without these dirty tricks.

The things that no longer work:

- Taking corporate money.

- Use the establishment as if they owe her their votes, endorsements, etc.

- Lie to us and use surrogates to lie for her.

- Manipulate the DNC against the will of the people.

- Use media to shut out other candidates.

- Double talk.

And on and on.

[stopbush]

10. Sigh. Won't happen because HRC is going to win enough delegates

in the primaries that it's not an issue.

Q: are you going write in Bernie's name after he urges you to vote for Hillary in the general?

[davidn3600]

11. If that happens, the youth will definetely stay home or vote 3rd party

The Democrats would be viewed as a rich, elitist party controlled by an oligarchy that doesn't care what the voters want.

In that situation, you'll have large scores of the youth sitting out.

[jwirr]

28. Not just the youth. Yes we have a very good chance of taking

control of the SCOTUS again, finally, but I am actually at the point that I don't even trust her to do that.

She is ready to tear down our party, our country so that she can be the "first woman president" and help the 1%. What makes you think that she is going to help us if we elect her? She supported welfare "reform" while claiming to help women and children; she supported tough on crime laws while claiming to help minorities; she supported for profit prisons also. She supported the repeal of Glass-Steagall while claiming to ordinary American people.

Now she wants us to trust her. I cannot.

[bigtree]

12. no one has subverted anything or plans to

...this is a red herring; worse, it's bull.

[MohRokTah]

13. There is no reported popular vote in most caucuses, so "popular vote" is a silly standard

Seriously, I swear some Sanders supporters have no frigging clue how this process works.

Did you know that of the reported popular vote in 2008, Hillary won? Obama took the nomination by winning the most delegates in the caucuses.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

23. ah, yes. Like Hillary in 2008.

She had no clue either.
And sadly for her, she continues making the same mistakes. What was the Bill Murray movie? with that ugly rodent?

[MohRokTah]

24. Actually she underestimated the Obama campaign's ability to take a massive number of delegates...

from Caucus states.

[Chichiri]

14. They subverted the popular vote against her in 2008.

Hillary supporters still showed up for Obama.

Just saying.

[jwirr]

29. The subversion you are talking about was actually a turnout

of voters for Obama it was not manipulation of the DNC.

[Chichiri]

32. Hillary won the popular vote in '08. nt

[Bernblu]

15. Many of the millennials will be lost to party for a long time

[TTUBatfan2008]

20. I don't know why people are worrying about it at the moment...

...let's just see how the voting plays out in the elections for each state. Very possible that Hillary will win it without any help from Super Delegates.