Millennials will support Hillary in the end.

[Chichiri]

Opinion piece from DNB: http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/why-the-hipsters-and-millennials-will-support-hillary-clinton-in-the-end/23853/

So all these college kids rushing into the 2016 election, knowledgeable on the issues but utterly clueless on how politics and progress work, are a double edged sword. I think they’re the one group of Bernie supporters who will be most easily brought into to Hillary’s camp once she’s the nominee. They genuinely care about liberal issues. They just haven’t connected the political dots yet. The more substantive of these kids will sober up to reality and dutifully support Hillary against a conservative republican, while the more shallow kids will simply see Hillary as the only remaining choice that can make them look cool. Either way, we win.

(This thread exists partly to fine-tune the Bernie supporting contingent of my ignore list. Thank you for your help.)

[farleftlib]

1. LOL and they say Bernie supporters believe in unicorns

and rainbows.

[azmom]

5. They have no idea.

[Champion Jack]

58. LULZ!!!

[tazkcmo]

68. Clueless

You, dear poster, are clueless if you think calling millennials clueless will help garner their support anymore than taking them f0r granted will.

[Skwmom]

106. They have no idea how disgusted young voters are about Clinton's type of politics. n/t

[azmom]

2. Good luck with that.

[farleftlib]

18. Oh check this out. This is some winning strategery

Hipster logic is what motivates college kids to buy a off-brand of product they don’t even think is any good, just because too many adults are already using the better brand, and so on. That stuff may be harmless. But it also motivates them to get behind a liberal candidate like Bernie, even if they know he’s inferior, just because too many successful adults have already gotten behind the superior liberal candidate Hillary.

As much as we may want to punch these kids in the nose for gleefully aligning themselves with the most obviously inept democratic party candidate in modern history in the form of Bernie Sanders, I suspect we merely have to wait them out.

Tone deaf. Arrogant. Demeaning. All of Hillary's superior traits right there.

[daleanime]

53. Agreed.....

the article just drips arrogance.

[GreatGazoo]

130. +1. Some seem to think that HRC's path to the nomination must be paved with insults

It worked so well in 2008, not.

And does Clinton ever call herself "liberal"?

[jeff47]

3. So...an article with the premise "Millennials are idiots"

is supposed to have a deep understanding of Millennials.

[JonLeibowitz]

4. Disagree. The more I learn the more I realize that Hillary will never deliver any real change.

Why? She isn't in any sense a progressive.

[Punkingal]

6. Nope, they will stay home.

[840high]

64. 100% correct. I

[Fast Walker 52]

129. exactamundo.

[yourpaljoey]

135. They will stay home in droves

[Lucinda]

7. Thanks for the link! And so far there haven't been large numbers of new younger voters.

Both states had average numbers for that demographic.
I suspect that those that truly identify as Dems will vote for the nominee.

[vadermike]

8. Ok

Then they will get president Cruz or trump good luck with that millennial s!

[HassleCat]

9. Does this logic apply to black voters?

I keep reading posts from some of my fellow Sandernistas to the effect that black voters will shift their votes to Sanders once they realize he is better for them than Clinton. And this will happen when they "connect the political dots," to borrow from the editorial you cite. Personally, I think most black voters will stick with Clinton, and most younger voters will stick with Sanders. So, yes, I am saying the editorial is a load of hooey.

[PeoViejo]

10. Anything in GD is Fair Game.

Does Hillary need support in the End? A prolapsed Rectum is a serious medical issue. Perhaps a trip to Walter Reed Hospital would be a better choice.

[plus5mace]

11. I kind of want her to win the primary so I can watch her get slaughtered.

Even now you think you can take our support for granted.

[MrMickeysMom]

114. I'm gonna step in here and tell you that this attitude is not a good one...

I don't think it's good to wish ill of who fights the primary for the WH. To see here "get slaughtered" would be terrible. I say this because I know she would likely not win.

Take all of that frustration or whatever it is you just did and focus it into working for the primary. If you truly listen to what Bernie Sanders is saying, you will quickly realize, that we must work together.

That is what I hope the voters will hear. They are SURE to hear it in Sander's message. Open yourself to that message.

[Avalux]

12. Sober up to the reality? Utterly clueless? Dutifully support Hillary?

I can't wait until the author has to eat his words.

[VulgarPoet]

127. "Why won't millenials lay down in front of the machine that only serves to eat them alive?"

Taken. For. Granted.

[Deny and Shred]

13. "sober up to reality and dutifully support"

Right. That's a winning strategy. Smarten up, idiots. Get in line.

Lots of luck. Many are in it for the first time, and Hillary in the GE will lose them for a generation.

If only "sober up" could be applied to oh so many dem constituencies, we wouldn't have to settle for a centerist in the GE.

[whatchamacallit]

14. Delusion n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

15. Dailynewsbin...

Lol

[bvf]

25. Gotta love it.

My favorite line was, "It also wouldn’t be accuate."

Opinion journalism at its finest!

(Yes, it's a cheap shot, but also hilarious in context.)

[catnhatnh]

136. Exactly

Check out this link for some info. This is the second time I've seen their shit listed as if it was journalism...

"What is Daily News Bin? It is a "news" Web site created on February 16, 2015. No one knows who owns the domain, because it was registered secretly using the company Domains By Proxy. Rather obviously, Daily News Bin has something to hide. Daily News Bin claims to be run by Bill Palmer, its "Senior Editor". There is, apparently, a "Bill Palmer". He's written all of two articles for BeatWeek, a music magazine. He claims to be the magazine's editor-in-chief, but if you go to BeatWeek's Web site and try to verify that -- you discover that the "About" page is an attack-page full of viruses that attempts to take over your computer. In fact, that's true of almost every page on BeatWeek's Web site, except for their "Contact Us" page."

Much more:
http://beingbutmen.blogspot.com/2015/11/today-tim-martyn-from-web-site-daily.html

[RiverLover]

16. Utter rubbish /nt

[Thinkingabout]

17. One thing for sure, allowing a republican to be elected is not going to help any issues

in which Democrats hold dear which is going to happen. Right now the GOP has made statements of obstructing a SC nomination, they have already stacked the court against the majority of Americans. Hopefully we can get a majority in Congress and we can get Scalia's replacement and other replacements in the future. We can attribute Citizens United, not good for this nation.

[JRLeft]

19. Hillary is a moderate republican.

[Thinkingabout]

22. So you say, not true.

[JRLeft]

24. She's not a crazy one, but she's most definitely a republican.

[Thinkingabout]

28. Are you a republican?

[JRLeft]

31. No, but Hillary is. She's a registered democrat, but she's really moderate republican.

[Thinkingabout]

34. By what I know of Democrats she is a Demcrat. She has proven her record.

[JRLeft]

38. She's a neoconservative on economic and foreign policy.

Aka republican.

[GreatGazoo]

132. This may help

[CoffeeCat]

56. Hillary's neocon warmongering is arch Republican

Picking Robert Kagan to be her foreign policy adviser while she was SOS--decidedly Republican. That sociopath founded the neocon movement.

It's pretty sick of Hillary to bring that into our party. Warmongering. Certainly not a Democratic tradition.

[Fuddnik]

95. Hillary is also the person who brought Dick Morris into the Clinton White House.

According to "The Clinton Wars", a book by her good friend Sidney Blumenthal.

Dick Morris then brought in Dickwad Mark Penn, the genius who blew her 2008 campaign.

[bvf]

39. The Republican Party establishment

would be quite satisfied with Hillary Clinton in the White House. If that weren't the case, they would have never let Trump get as far as he has.

They'd gladly give her whatever war in the ME she chose. And have no doubt: she'd deliver, too.

[JRLeft]

57. They would be elated, especially if she doesn't appoint an anti citizens united justice.

[bvf]

74. Exactly.

All this head-scratching about the so-called clown car is just nuts. It's nothing but misdirection. Their candidate is really the one that represents a party that has been pulled so far to the right since Reagan that, were he alive today, he would embrace much of it.

Fuck that. And fuck staying the course--the course is how we got into this mess.

[JRLeft]

90. Agreed

[UnBlinkingEye]

55. Don't give a bad name to moderate republicans.

Whatever that may be.

[Beowulf]

65. If you don't want the GOP in the White House,

then nominate a candidate the rank and file can get behind. Is there anyone at the DNC capable of reading the mood of this year's electorate? You offer a seriously flawed candidate from the establishment who believes it's her turn to voters who are fedup with BAU, who long for a government who will be responsive to their needs and concerns. That's political genius!

[Thinkingabout]

70. Do you have a better candidate?

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

72. Yes. Bernie.

Deal with it.

[Thinkingabout]

75. I am dealing with it, I donate to Hillary, I work for Hillary, I support Hillary, I will vote

for Hillary, I will caucus for Hillary and I will vote for Hillary in the General election.

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

76. In other words, burning a hole and wasting your time with Clinton

Enjoy. You know what AstroTurf is?

Clinton is the AstroTurf candidate. Bernie is the real deal.

[Thinkingabout]

77. Still waiting for the true cost of his agenda.

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

93. Which Bernie has provided, and you Clinton supporters ignore it, and bullshit.

Next!

[Thinkingabout]

113. He provided information in which others disagree who are professionals.

I did not ignore the data he gave, ergo the numbers does not add up.

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

118. Who? The 70 economists that Bernie showed his plan to or Hillary's overpaid economic advisors?

[Thinkingabout]

121. No, CBO which taxpayers pays.

[Kittycat]

100. Does she have her Goldman Handcuffs framed in her office?

Just curious.

She sold us all out a long time ago.

[Thinkingabout]

115. Have you ask questions about the fund raising relationship Sanders has

With the same firms he is complaining?

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

119. Prove it with a link to back it up

Thank you.

DSCC does not count.

[Thinkingabout]

123. Here:

Yes it counts, there was more than one year, Goldman Sachs for one was there, don't hear a lot about them anymore.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/sanders-democratic-fundraisers/index.html

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

125. I said DSCC does not count.

All Senators go to that event, not just Bernie.

DSCC = Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee - they are a committee that helps Democrats get elected. If Bernie wasn't a Democrat, how come he still helped raise money for the DSCC?

Think about it, Ms. Thinkingabout.

[Thinkingabout]

128. I said they count, you don't get to discount then, I don't hear the other

Senators complaining about funds coming from firms as we have heard BS, the others knows where campaign funds are coming.

[Beowulf]

83. Several.

However, DWS's incompetence has lost us so many pols in the Senate, House, Governorships, and legislatures that the bench is pretty thin. What candidates I might suggest is not really the point. The point is that the DNC tried their best to clear the field for Hillary. The party has done very little to nurture younger talent. It's rather telling that the only candidate under 60 was O'Malley. I don't expect it's going to get better either. Given the attitude of party leaders towards millenials, why would that generation want to get involved?

That's why I support Bernie. There needs to be some fundamental change and he's the only one offering a vision for it I can support.

[Thinkingabout]

85. Oh, really, she only has one vote, just like the rest of us.

[Beowulf]

86. That's rather disingenuous, don't you think?

[Thinkingabout]

112. Not any more disingenuous as you have stated.

[Robbins]

20. no they won't

Clinton doesn't care about liberal issues.she is no progressive.she admitted it last year.

Clinton wants to force them to fight in her wars while she screws them all over in favor of her top 1% donors.

[JRLeft]

26. She's a republican.

[hueymahl]

21. Go ahead and add me to your ignore list

Pretty stupid post. Even dumber premise.

The article has it exactly backwards. The Millennials are not yet wholly sold on liberal issues. But they have fully collected the political dots when it comes to the corrupting influence of money, hypocrisy and "politics as usual" where you say anything to get elected.

If Hillary does get the nod, I sincerely hope they show up to vote for her. But I suspect many will have lost there enthusiasm and will have better things to do that day.

[dana_b]

23. Again with the naive, uninformed millenials

And you're wrong. They won't. They'll spend election day at school, at work, at the beach, but not at the voting booth.

"dutifully support Hillary" - please... my daughter and her friends don't feel ANY connection to Hillary so why should they feel some sense of "duty"?

This is what this "I think they’re the one group of Bernie supporters who will be most easily brought into to Hillary’s camp" made me think of - sorry but the post is comical.

( Oh, and yes, please "Ignore" me. It's fine. )

[tularetom]

27. If they vote for Hillary it tells me one thing - things don't suck enough yet

You might as well put me on your ignore list right now. Because you are just flat ass wrong.

[Arazi]

29. Could this be any more condescending?! SMH

[Liberal Jesus Freak]

32. Hahaha!

Just posting to be added to your ignore list if I'm not already there

[Chichiri]

36. Thanks. nt

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

73. Add me.

Thanks.

[Fuddnik]

88. Don't forget me!

[kath]

33. ...

[Chichiri]

35. Oh noes, you guys are blocking me too?

[bvf]

41. You seem to think your permission matters in this.

Either that, or that petulant outbursts via cheesy vid clips are somehow attractive.

[Logical]

37. Support but not vote. nt

[Fozzledick]

40. Or maybe they'll just get discouraged and stay home.

"I'm not quite as bad as the Republican" is not the kind of inspiring message that brings out first time voters.

[Jenny_92808]

42. Please ignore me too

Thank you in advance.

[starroute]

43. A lot of Millennials see Bernie as the last chance to fix a broken system

If he doesn't get the nomination, Plan B is revolution -- not falling into line for Hillary.

[Chichiri]

45. You're not going to see a revolution from Millennials.

You just aren't. No matter who wins the nomination. It's not going to happen.

[TDale313]

61. Keep telling yourself that. Your level of delusion is truly amazing.

Hillary offers nothing to younger voters except condescension.

Oh, and welcome to ignore and please ignore me back.

[starroute]

66. And you know this how?

You may have your reasons for concluding that, but "It won't happen because it won't happen" isn't an argument.

[ALBliberal]

44. As a mother of 3 millennials...it's looking less and less likely that they

would support Hillary in the GE. I'm still on board my husband too but the kids not so much.

[Chichiri]

46. This is great. Only four posts visible on this thread, including this one.

My blood pressure is thanking me. I get to deal with people who have a connection to reality.

This is the life.

Thanks to all Bernie fans who helped me out here.

[earthshine]

47. Please add me to your ignore list. Sounds a badge of honor. nt

[MrMickeysMom]

48. Is this after somebody beats them over the head with propaganda and torture?

Not necessarily in that order, mind you...?

If you need to fine tune an ignore list, just add my name now, because you clearly love baiting.

[CoffeeCat]

49. This is delusional

This op-Ed is a narcissistic rambling. It's the death rattle of a dying demographic that is desperately trying to stay relevant; while appearing completely oblivious to the shifts underneath their feet.

I just read this to my two millennial daughters, and they both laughed and went back to their homework.

The condescension is an authoritarian attempt to demoralize and cut down the serious and sharpness of this politically engaged generation. I think Millennials who read this will do what my daughters did; they'll get back to work and they won't give it a second thought.

Like it or not--this generation is permanently engaged. Bernie has activated their belief in government and their belief that government can affect positive change. They're simply uninterested in the corrupt dinosaur of a government that their parents experienced--and that includes the Bushes, the Trumps and the Clintons. These kids are ushering in a new era.

Millennials will forever alter our country and our political landscape, with or without the approval of a corrupt establishment that can't accept that the party is over for them.

[slipslidingaway]

50. Good luck, one of our millennials Might get out to vote for Hillary ...

the other, a woman and doctor will most likely be too busy and could miss the vote.

She is not inspired by Clinton.

She is the child that was never interested in politics and registered as Repub in high school, but she just switched to Dem to vote for Sanders.

Never assume.

[frylock]

51. I would like to subscribe to your ignore list, please.

[H2O Man]

52. Some will.

But many won't.

[Doctor_J]

54. Why would they?

?1

[djean111]

59. Based entirely on tonight's OPs, here at DU, I am guessing that Hillary has taken a

commanding lead in the Authoritarian demographic. Of course, being an Authoritarian is one thing; having even one person do as they are ordered to is quite another thing altogether.

[dragonfly301]

60. The two millennials in my family will not fall in line

and it is not so much as where HRC falls on the progressive spectrum but rather there is an inherent distrust of anything she says. My 18yo sent me a youtube video of 11 straight minutes of lies from Hillary. It's a hoot. She is not what they are looking for in a president.

[frylock]

69. 13 minutes. 13 straight minutes of lies from Hillary.

[dragonfly301]

78. Oops - I forgot 2 minutes!

I'm sure they left hours of footage on the editing floor too! Love the part about gay marriage - I can fully understand why the Human Rights Campaign endorsed her

[SheenaR]

96. Lol

I got alerted posting this video. It's awesome. And disturbing

[Schema Thing]

62. No, I'm pretty sure they won't.

They will feel screwed over by the establishment. Even Bernie pleading with them to vote for Hillary won't make them come out en masse. Because they want change, and they know deep down that Hillary doesn't want change. The status quo has been very good for Hillary and Bill and family.

*I* may know that Hillary is better than any Republican, but they don't know that.

[SheilaT]

63. First off, please understand that

"Millennial" is NOT synonymous with "college age". The oldest Millennials are in their early 30's.

In fact, the youngest college students most likely belong to the next nameable generation.

So the Millennials are young adults, some in school, many out of school, many of them working, starting families, buying homes, paying off student loans. In short, a lot like us Boomers about 40 years ago. Or the GenXers about 20 years ago.

And as Millennials do connect the political dots, they will more and more understand why Hillary would be so awful as President.

In other words, if you honestly believe that, you're an idiot. Bye bye

[Kittycat]

105. More so than some of us that are 20+ yrs older

What debt load are these kids facing the day they leave college, assuming they ever got to go. Thanks to wall street and the bailout?

What do their job prospects look like in a country that routinely ships jobs overseas, "outsorces", and undercuts wages? More and more are living at home. Fewer can afford their first home. They're pushing off starting families until later. And many will soon face the reality of having to support elderly parents who lost their homes or retirement or can't afford the rapid climb of healthcare costs.

And through it all they grew up in one of the most politically divisive, corporte-driven, and warmongering countries where the only people who got ahead were reality stars or the always hads, but never the have nots.

I'm quite sure these kids have a very good picture and grasp on how they want to shape their future. And it doesn't begin with staying the course, or rolling back to the Clinton era.

[leveymg]

67. Please reignore me.

But, you can't read this, anyway.

[PonyUp]

79. Add me and I'll add you. Deal? nt

[Odin2005]

80. Put this Millennial on your ignore list, too!

I'm fucking sick of this dismissive crap.

[Joe the Revelator]

81. Wanna know what makes people not want to rush on over to your side when all this is over?

Taking them for granted and condescending to them.

[AgingAmerican]

82. Sure, cuz "No we cant!!" is so compelling!

Saying they shouldn't be able to vote because they are too young and calling them 'unicorn ranchers' will not endear any votes from Millennials.

[Dreadpirate]

84. I will just give up again

And not vote at all rather then vote for Hillary. Pretty sure I am one of many and she will not be president.

[bigwillq]

89. Hillary is trash.

(This posts exists partly to fine-tune the Clinton supporting contingent of my trash can. Thank you for your help.)

[Beausoir]

97. BernieBro reply.

[bigwillq]

98. Be kind. Don't judge.

Yup

[sadoldgirl]

91. Is this an example of how the HRC campaign

wants to win over the Bernie supporter millennials?

If so: B I G F A I L !!!!

[Chichiri]

92. Thanks to all the others who replied.

The more Bernie fans I get on my ignore list, the saner GD-P looks.

Enjoy it as a badge of honor if you'd like -- a couple of you mentioned that you would -- but just so you know, the honor is temporary. The moment Hillary clinches the nomination, I'm going to completely clear my ignore list so that I can see your posts again.

[dana_b]

94. and if Hillary does "clinch" it (very unlikely),

what makes you think that all of us woud stick around here? To hear you gloat and preach to us about how right you are and that now we must fall in line?? Pffft...

oh - that's right - she can't even see this post. It must be very lonely in the GDP.

[slipslidingaway]

99. WTH, that is a disgusting admission, in the years I have been on DU I put One person ...

on ignore, but they were promptly suspended and I do not even remember that person.

I want to read the good and the bad, not bury my head in the sand. Even if I did such an act, I would never brag about it!

[PDittie]

116. Thank goodness

I'll still have you on Ignore.

[thereismore]

102. The end is near. nt

[Vote2016]

103. nope

[JonLeibowitz]

104. Please do add me.

[Matt_R]

107. What is the cutoff age for "Millennials"

I'm wondering if I fall into that group. Always thought of myself as a young GenX.

[Betty Karlson]

109. Depends partly on whether you have lots of younger siblings, or rather are the eldest child.

But 1980 is commonly taken as the start of the Millennial births.

[Matt_R]

117. Thanks.

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

124. I identify myself as the last of my Gen-X generation

Born in '76. Wife's '78, so that makes us the very last of the Gen-X'ers.

I support Bernie, as so does my wife and my Boomer mom.

[Betty Karlson]

131. Soon, a landslide majority of the USA will do the same.

(The idea that Sanders only attracts millennial males has been long debunked: millennial males are now s mall part of Bernie's supporters - and happy to be so.)

[Betty Karlson]

108. Taking votes for granted while condescending to the same voters:

camp Clinton is not just tone-deaf, it is incorrigeable. As such, it is a liability of McGovern-like proportions to the party. Better not nominate that!

[eridani]

110. They may vote for her, but that is not the same thing as supporting her

No doorbelling, phonebanking or $10 every now and then. Just voting, period.

[cali]

111. Hill cannot win a general election contest.

[Vinca]

120. Wasn't that said about young people supporting Obama in 2008?

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

122. Well, it's a safe demographic to analyze, here

I don't suggest substituting a sacred cow demographic for mellinials and make a similar analysis.

[in_cog_ni_to]

126. Ummmmm.....no they will not. Millennials - OWS - beaten, pepper sprayed, corralled and treated

like pure dog shit during OWS. Those Millennials? Think again.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[INdemo]

133. Dream on

[IDemo]

134. "sober up to reality"

Because Millenials enjoy a good insult.