2016 Postmortem
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UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)
forest444
(5,902 posts)These days, Rockefeller and Ford would be pilloried as the ultimate RINO's by the Rush Lumpballs of the world.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)the DNC, wonder if that's an accident?
forest444
(5,902 posts)As the 1971 Powell Memo proves, it was no accident at all. Sad.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Rockefeller Drug Laws which were the first step to Prison America:
"The United States puts more people behind bars than any other country, five times as many per capita compared with Britain or Spain.
It wasn't always like this. Half a century ago, relatively few people were locked up, and those inmates generally served short sentences. But 40 years ago, New York passed strict sentencing guidelines known as the "Rockefeller drug laws" — after their champion, Gov. Nelson Rockefeller — that put even low-level criminals behind bars for decades.
http://www.npr.org/2013/02/14/171822608/the-drug-laws-that-changed-how-we-punish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_Drug_Laws
Seems fairly neo-fascist to me....
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)
enigmatic
(15,021 posts)Today's Centrist Democrats are yesterday's Rockefeller Republicans, which is why both Clintons fit so comfortably.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Have you seen Ted Cruz lately?
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)to get away from the crazies.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Doesn't matter if he is crazy or not. There is a clear difference between the two.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I was a Democrat back in 1968.
The progressive wing of the Democratic Party was simply ousted in 1968. Now we are finally coming back.
And just watch out. Bernie is just the first Progressive Democrat who will return our Party to its former self -- the party that represents the common person.
Thank you Bernie.
Look at this list of the political make-up of the House and Senate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_States_Congresses
Clinton ushered in the present era of so many Republican Congresses.
When the Democratic Party stood for ordinary people, we had Democratic majorities in Congress.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Left them. Explains the authoritarian streak
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Every word of it. I'll hiighlight this part just for emphasis:
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)that you know leaders from both parties have shifted to the right and that centrist dems are now what used to be called republicans (when I first signed up to be a dem, in the 70's). Many of today's republicans are extreme whackadoodles. But I'm still a democrat from the 70's. I think the majority of dems are still wanting that party back.
And somehow, you think people on a forum named DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND should want to vote for an old style republican?
Have I got that right?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)NOT
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)She's more like Kasich or Bush.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)And this is just one example...
http://www.thenation.com/article/john-kasich-is-no-moderate-when-it-comes-to-abortion-rights/
creatives4innovation
(98 posts)
MisterP
(23,730 posts)you needed customers and that burning down the company for the insurance money like that Eli Black feller could only last so long
they may call themselves "Hamilton Democrats" but infrastructure seems pretty low on the New Dems' list
Nyan
(1,192 posts)Before she met Kissinger, she admired Rockerfeller, I see.
She's been a very consistent hawk, I'll give her that.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Lock 'em up and throw away the key started with Nelson.
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)behind of to keep the GOP out of the white house ...ain't it sweet? 
senz
(11,945 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Seems to have been a committed and enthusiastic republican in the 60s. No wonder her admiration for Kissinger. I wonder if she worked for the Nixon campaign in the general election?
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)
stopbush
(24,396 posts)is anything to get excited over.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)You should be judging her on her...ah, er...um, well..
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I'm for Bernie now. Guess what. That is no coincidence.
Hillary is not a real Democrat. I am. Always have been.
Elizabeth Warren was a Republican. Maybe that is why she decided not to run for president.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)
jehop61
(1,735 posts)
merrily
(45,251 posts)was President of Young Republicans during college (in one of the most liberal schools in the country at that time) and worked for Rockefeller at 21 (1968). But, I am supposed to believe that she stormed out of the convention when she heard racist comments. I guess she'd never heard them before? Hell, in 1964, Goldwater ran on fscking states' rights. She never figured out that dog whistle before she hit 21? I'm pretty sure it was in all the papers at the time.
Supposedly, she told off Senator Brooke in her Wellesley commencement speech for being a Republican. I've read the speech. It does no such thing. Whatever she expresses is generational, not left v. right. (Since she was 21 at the time and Senator Brooke wasn't, guess where she came out on the generational thing.)
Sorry, something other than taking her word for it is going to have to convince me she became a Democrat before she met Bill. You have to take her word for a lot of things she claims. I'll pass until I see undoctored video.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Shazaam! That cain't be good, Sgt Carter.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I know, don't call me Shirley.
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)For transparency I did vote for Watren.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)
LAS14
(13,783 posts)It illustrates a point I've tried to make in various places about Hillary's integrity and willingness to change opinions to adhere to core values.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511257968
merrily
(45,251 posts)at Wellesley. However, I am not sure what specific statements of fact in my post you are disagreeing with?
As far as his views, I am sure he holds them. They are memories of Hillary a half century ago, though. And, I assume that her views then were have been views that would have been popular with the brightest kids and faculty at a liberal college in Wellesley, correct? Whatever was her personality then, she seems to have no trouble saying what she thinks will get the best feedback from her target audience. I am not saying she was like that at 19, but she is like that now and that can be shown, often with her own words on videotape.
As I am sure you know, there is a lot since Hillary was a college sophomore that proves, often with her own words on videotape, she has not always adhered to her core beliefs--whatever they may actually be-- and has not always been truthful. I would say that kind of campaign she ran against Obama in 2008 is in derogation of some of things in your post about your husband's experience of her. As far as religion, her involvement with The Family makes my blood run cold, given what their religious beliefs are. It's not as though a US Senator has no other options for spiritual communion or solace while in D.C., either.
If you believe I have misstated any fact, please point it out. If you believe the assessments and opinions that I've extrapolated from facts are wrong, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... but as a senior. She evolved, as thinking people do. That's the point. It's not reasonable to look at people as they were in the past and call it "lies" when they have changed.
merrily
(45,251 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts).... of lying. That's one of the problems in this forum. I wanted to illustrate that she had moved definitely to the left, was in no way a Republican, before she met Bill. You weren't lying. You were mistaken.
merrily
(45,251 posts)unreasonably (without reason), which I did not do. I've never accused of her of lying at all, except when there is uncontrovertible evidence--and there has been. You totally misunderstood my post. Read it again, in the context of what you had posted to me, to which I was responding.
BTW, having a different opinion than yours does not mean I am mistaken. It means simply I have a different opinion than yours. I am not going on personal impressions of an 20 year old Hillary recollected from a long time ago, either.
dsc
(52,163 posts)though it is odd to have been Ford who was from MI. Any one from my district, for example, has to work for holding if they want an internship. I knew a couple of very liberal guys who interned for Lott.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)I know somebody that interned for Harry Reid despite never having been to Nevada through similar connections.
Tanuki
(14,919 posts)it was the director who made the assignment.
https://worldhistoryproject.org/1965/5/hillary-rodham-clinton-graduates-from-wellesley-college
onehandle
(51,122 posts)...her late 40s and Sanders has 'been a Democrat' for about five minutes.
Hillary's family was Republican so as a youth so she 'was a Republican as a teenager.
The 'Not Hillary' Party sure likes wasting our time.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)in Texas for George McGovern in 1972. So what does one necessarily have to do with the other?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)He is running for re-election to his Senate seat in 2018 as an Independent.
http://linkis.com/wordpress.com/Sdyqm
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)in order to support Democrats, right? While my younger-than-Hillary brother was doing what he could on behalf of RFK, Hillary was supporting the Republicans.
Later on, she would work on behalf of WalMart, going so far as to own stock in the company. And the photos of her & Henry Kissinger together? You must find them adorable.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)I have been left since I was twelve. Blimong your parents is so lame.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)but her policies today are very similar to those of the Repubicans of the 60's and 70's, something I cannot overlook. Warren at least raises hell against the very people who are Hillary's funders. And Bernie is more of a Democrat than both of them put together.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... and I don't think too many people question whether Reagan represents them as a Republican too much.
I don't think being a member of the other party or voting for them at some point when you were younger is necessarily a strike against you. It wasn't an issue for me with Hillary earlier. But when her campaign makes a whole big deal about questioning Bernie's credentials because "he's not a Democrat", or questioning his career working for civil rights where her supporting Goldwater who campaigned against and voted against the Civil Rights Act of the time has me wanting an explanation of why she's criticizing Bernie so much when she has her own skeletons that she has in those areas that she is criticizing Bernie for, that in my book need more explanation than any "inaction" that Bernie might have in some that they criticize.
Kind of like her and many of her supporters criticizing Bernie as being "anti-immigration" and with the GOP for voting against the immigration bill, which in my book is more an indictment on those supporting passage of that bill which put in place more pseudo-slavery programs for foreign workers here with the guest worker programs like H-1B and H-2B that got bundled in to those that Bernie was voting against which in my book shows he was voting more on principle than what they were wanting him to vote for.
It's the hypocrisy of their criticism that we take issue with, which is why her being a Goldwater Girl is more of an issue in this election than it would have been had her campaign not gone in those directions.
RATM435
(392 posts)
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)I recall she was the tenth most liberal Democratic Senator as well as First Lady with Governor/President Bill Clinton, and one doesn't get more Democrat than that by literal definition.
Maybe if you're standing with your toes on the liberal goal line and look downfield everyone looks like they're in the Tea Party. It's all about perspective, and yours is skewed to the far left.
RATM435
(392 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)Hillary left the Republican Party when it turned to Richard Nixon in 1968, which is the most salient point. She then joined the Democratic Party and campaigned in Texas for Senator George McGovern in 1972, helping to register Latino voters in Texas, which was not at all friendly territory for such activities at the time.
Can we please quit with the Goldwater and other smears related to Hillary's time as a Republican? There were actually some good Republicans in those days. Hillary has been a dedicated Democrat since 1972, which is much sooner than Bernie ever did. He was his own one-man show until it suited him to run as a Dem in 2015.
Even Elizabeth Warren was a Republican until the mid-1990s.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)That made him a liberal in 1968.
Nothing to be ashamed of there.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)world wide wally
(21,744 posts)
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)For his campaign in New Hampshire.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Wow, you are really bending over backwards to make excuses for Hillary.
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)I simply said she did.
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)There were actually liberal Republicans from that era who switched to the Democratic party, i.e., John Lindsay. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lindsay
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)"My position on Vietnam is very simple. And I feel this way. I have spoken on it because I haven't felt there was any major contribution that I had to make at the time. I think that our concepts as a nation and that our actions have not kept pace with the changing conditions, and therefore our actions are not completely relevant today to the realities of the magnitude and complexity of the problems that we face in this conflict. "
March 21, 1968
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1973/12/19/rocky-runs-right-pbtbhe-same-way/?page=
zeemike
(18,998 posts)You can take that any way you want.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)
Tarc
(10,476 posts)People tend to forget that our current "Democrats are liberal, Republicans are conservative" breakdown wasn't always so, that LBJ had to go across the aisle to overcome the still-present racist block of Democrats who opposed the civil rights legislation of the 60's.
This "omg Hillary and the Republicans in the 60s!" shtick isn't as nefarious as the screamers would like you to believe....
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I actually don't hold it against her at all. It was just an interesting factoid. This is not a major substance issue. If Bernie Sanders had worked at the 1968 Republican Convention I'm sure we would hear about it. I agree it's dumb. I've never said anything about Goldwater support because she was literally a kid. But this is the first I've heard of Hillary's 1968 politics and she was not a kid in 1968.
jalan48
(13,870 posts)It was Gene McCarthy or Robert Kennedy. These were very turbulent times-I can't imagine anyone supporting any Republican. She must have been living in a very safe, isolated world than the rest of us.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)See the Neidermeyer stereotype in Animal House.
jalan48
(13,870 posts)
k8conant
(3,030 posts)and a group of us went down to Goshen, Indiana, to campaign for Eugene McCarthy. He was definitely our peace candidate. ☮
I couldn't vote yet because I was only 19.
Bucky
(54,027 posts)I'm a Bernie supporter, but this really doesn't matter. Clinton is a real Democrat and I'm so so tired of seeing posts acting all mortified that she has--gasp--evolved in her thinking over the years.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)rtracey
(2,062 posts)Interestingly enough, I am a democrat, but if I were around at the time, I would have supported Eisenhower. Many democrats were originally starting off as moderate right leaning democrats, simply because the roles were reversed for many years. Look at the southern dixiecrats.... these people were the most racist pieces of crap down the pike. Even as far back as Lincoln, who was Republican, the ebb turned and parties became opposite. In the early 50-60s things began to go to shit with Nixon.
The GOP of today are the radicals of the 1830-70 in the senate.... The GOP of today is totally out of control, dispelling any notion that they follow, support, and defend the constitution of this country.
This is not a support lecture for Clinton, but as a 57 year old and I think close to her age, I can see her views at the time.
oh and by the way, can you guess who is now a very prominent democrat who was once a republican? yup you guessed it......
Elizabeth Warren. The current liberal icon started life as a conservative who voted Republican because of the party’s pro-business stance, and she didn’t switch to the Democratic Party until the mid-1990s.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)UnBlinkingEye
(56 posts)It's all the other stuff
napi21
(45,806 posts)Everything & everybody has changed in that number of years. The Pubs are completely different than back then, and so are the Dems.
vdogg
(1,384 posts)In 1957. Truly her corruption and acceptance of kickbacks knows no bounds.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)
Fisher Price Humpty Dumpty, 1957
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)I wouldn't read too much into the political opinions somebody had in 1968. I don't honestly consider Bernie's record before 1980 or Hillary's record before 2000 (maybe 1992, I do respect her work as First Lady) all that pertinent. You never truly know how somebody is going to be before they get into some office.
Elizabeth Warren had opinions before the 90s or whenever she switched that I'm sure were laughable. Bernie had some odd opinions back in the 1970s that I don't put much stock in. FDR worked in the Wilson administration as a protege of fierce segregationist Jospehus Daniels.
With all that being said, Bernie has a long, progressive record as a public official that I think is superior than that of Secretary Clinton. Her vote for President in 1968 matters much less to me than her vote on the Iraq War.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Clinton was 20 or so at time, a child of the Bunkers.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)She might have been in her earliest days in Arkansas, but after she became a corporate lawyer in Little Rock (1977), and a partner a year later in what was known as "the ultimate establishment law firm" in Arkansas and "the legal arm of the powerful", whose clients included the state's richest Republicans, it's really hard to believe she was a "Democrat" in those days, especially when she made a name for herself at the law firm by successfully defending Arkansas electric power companies against a citizens' initiative to get reduced rates for residential customers.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Are you trying to tell me that someone who was a lawyer in a powerful corporate law firm, which counted Arkansas's richest Republicans among its clientele, and became a partner in said law firm just a year after winning a case against residential utility customers, and remained a partner with that firm until she left the state 14 years later, was a Democrat all that time?
Are you honestly trying to make that argument?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)In intention. I also find it funny that people rag on bs for being an independent when hrc was a repug. Which of those two would you personally rather claim for yourself? A case can be made she still is. Bernie is more dem accidentally than too many on purpose. I don't consider McCaskill a dem and her tactics are fascist with her red baiting. She calls out me and my family back generations when she does..
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)to a Democrat.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)1971-1983 for Archie Bunker
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Warren was 45 before she decided she'd have a better chance getting elected by playing a Democrat.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)The Family.
Loki
(3,825 posts)And if the people on this board can't tell the difference, then you really are no better than Tea Party Dinos.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)how that goes down wih her 'firewall.'
During the following four days of negotiations, authorities agreed to 28 of the prisoners' demands[citation needed], but would not agree to demands for complete amnesty from criminal prosecution for the prison takeover or for the removal of Attica's superintendent. By the order of state Governor Nelson Rockefeller, state police took back control of the prison. When the uprising was over, at least 43 people were dead, including ten correctional officers and civilian employees, and 33 inmates.
Rockefeller, who refused to visit the prisoners during the rebellion, stated that the prisoners “carried out the cold-blood killings they had threatened from the outset”.[1] On the other hand New York Times writer Fred Ferretti said the rebellion concluded in “mass deaths that four days of taut negotiations had sought to avert”.[2] There are many different perspectives when considering the prison rebellion; the outside world either characterized the inmates as heroes or villains.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attica_Prison_riot
starroute
(12,977 posts)It was raked over thoroughly here at the time. But my question now is, if she felt that way in April 1968, why was she still a Republican through the election?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5389605
Seriously? Hillary gets a pass for her performance in Memphis?
I about choked when I got home from work, turned on the news, and saw Senator Clinton giving an unconvincing performance supposed to convey her support for Rev/Dr Martin Luther King Jr. in Memphis. Wow.
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1. Not that I want to dump on it too much, but it did seem somewhat contrived, and the choking up?
Give us a break.
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34. It was an embarassingly self-conscious display. I've noticed that whenever she's saying something that been rehearsed to death, she has the same facial mannerism - she sort of purses her lips, raises her eyebrows slightly and sticks her chin forward - which she does to mark time. In other words, it's like she's reading sheet music and sees a "rest" where she has to pause for a beat, and that's what she does to fill in the time.
She does it every time she comes out with something that someone's written for her, like the good student who's rehearsed her lines till there's not a shred of sincerity left, if there ever was to begin with.
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99. ITA. For the Clintons to race bait and then for HRC to do her boo-hoo act...
...is blazingly hypocritical, as is her joking with Leno about sniper fire (MLK was killed by sniper fire) the night before MLK death anniversary.
The video no longer seems to be available, but there's more background at http://sweetness-light.com/archive/hillary-chokes-up-recalling-martin-luther-king
enigmatic
(15,021 posts)That are positively gushing over Hillary today that had the opposite opinion of her then.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Kissinger was one of Rockefeller's team.
I knew there was a reason I did not like Hillary. This explains it.
Uggggh.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)Shite.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Every year. It. Is a deal breaker if you have a conscience
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I guess they dont know how to read.
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)She was born Oct 26, 1947, one day before me. I was in high school, so I'm pretty sure she would have been too.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)She was definitely a Republican in 68/69. And she was President Of The College Republicans after Goldwater.
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)She would have been in high school. I graduated in 1965 and I imagine she probably did too. She might have graduated from HS in 66 since I started first grade at age 5 which was a little young. And yes, she was president of the College Republicans when she first went to college. That changed and by 1968 she supported Eugene McCarthy's campaign in New Hampshire.
cab67
(2,993 posts)Thankfully, I wasn't. And I learned a lot before 1988.
Actions taken decades ago are informative, but should be viewed in context.
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)she was working weekends in New Hampshire on the campaign for Eugene McCarthy. You accidentally left that part out.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)but she attended the 1968 Republican National Convention as a Rockefeller supporter.
Something does not compute.
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)It was all there in the article in the OP, including the part about McCarthy. She was working in the Wellesley Internship Program, so I assume that's why she might have been there.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)In her book, she claims she "left the Republican Party for good" after the '68 Republican National Convention.
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)Selling her as an open minded political moderate is far from electoral suicide. Do you think the vast majority in the middle who tend to switch party votes depending on the candidate and their mood will see this as a negative? No one is going to say: "Hillary worked for Rockefeller 50 years ago so I'm voting for Trump!".
The only people who are horrified are those on the far left who will have to get over it by November and realize she's the best option for a progressive White House administration.
ShrimpPoboy
(301 posts)The only place this hurts her is DU.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)She has always been a republican by nature. She was raised in a very strong republican household. She only switched to the dem party because of social issues, mostly concerning women and children. That really is her plank, and always has been...women and children. Republicans want women at home in the kitchen and she was too driven to be that kind of woman, so she left the Republican party behind. But in many ways she will never get over being a republican, economically and on many social issues. She may be forced by the public to change her views on things, but she does it dragging her feet.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)I have a 50 year career in peace and justice, but
in 1964 I was a Young Republican.
In Vets For Peace, some of our most valiant stalwarts were
at one time career military.
These sorts of posts - and threads - are immature.
I'd much rather hear about how You Fighting Keyboarders are
running for local offices, leafleting, doing the persuasion
thing, etc.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I agree with you it's not super relevant. But she wasn't a kid in 1968. It is part of her resume though. Especially when she's talking about taking advice from Henry Kissinger, maybe that's because those are her political roots. Maybe she is fundamentally conservative in some ways.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)but I agree with you that her bragging about BFF "Henry Da K"
is a deal breaker.
She is also tight with the Neocon Kagan's - wtf?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Did we not just spend an entire week combing over photos from 1963 to seek fault in Bernie Sanders? Yeah, we did.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)except when she's conservative..or moderate.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... that Elizabeth Warren was a staunch Republican right into her forties.
I'm SO glad that no one here ever wanted HER to run for POTUS on the Dem ticket. Once a Republican, always a Republican - or so I am now being told.
betsuni
(25,544 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Maybe it looked like the easiest way in?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)of COURSE that was the party for people who wanted to do whatever they wanted without a new fad like fundamentalism or Reagan-worship sweeping out whole generations like in the GOP
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I bet Debbie Wasserman Schultz STILL wishes she could team up with the guy.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)It's all about realistic expectations, or something. Because we all know how realistic Republicans are.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees, a woman tied up, a woman abused."
"A woman enjoys intercourse with her man — as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously."
Both direct quotes from Sanders 1972 writings. I believe Sanders was in his thirties when he wrote that.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Can you do the math and make me certain? Are you questioning if he was in his thirties? I don't get your comment. How old was he when he wrote those quotes?
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Hitler.
Or, more seriously, Elizabeth Warren. And much more recently.
It isn't fatal, but perhaps it isn't easily curable.
randys1
(16,286 posts)to attack her.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)The whole goal of the third way DLC was to destroy liberalism in America by infiltrating the Democratic Party. They accomplished that goal, to a degree, though we're still here even without representation.
The battle now is for the soul of the party. Do we push it back to it's 1968 roots of Justice, peace, environmentalism and populism, or do we hand it over to the same puppet masters who control the RNC?
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)with a late conversion, as long as she doesn't claim to have been marching in Selma years earlier while Bernie was safe in Chicago doing the easy work.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)
ozone_man
(4,825 posts)like Bill Clinton. I expect him to to go out in the bed of another woman too.
Vinca
(50,279 posts)You know the box you're opening, don't you? Next think you know they'll be a post about Bernie interning under Chairman Mao.