2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCan you imagine a scenario where Hillary is being attacked from the left in the GE
by Trump on the Iraq War? That would be ridiculous.
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)who will vote for her because of that...
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)being attacked....
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)she is some sort of victim rather than b/c of any particular policy, so maybe your on to something
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)she's not a victim of sexism? being older I look at the issues without passion....look at the different strategies looking for the best over all. However there is no getting around the fact that she is a victim of societal sexism...it comes from both the left and the right. while being a victim of sexism doesn't make the victim of sexism the objectively better candidate....it makes the perpetrators and the alternatives the worse candidates....is the light bulb going off yet? I used to post a joke "how many light bulbs does it take to change the GOP (they have to want to change) I have learned that unfortunately it can be applied to the left as well but you seem more right than left in philosophy.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)not denying that she faced difficult challenges to get where she is today because of her gender. i don't like her record on many issues, i didn't like her campaign tactics 8 yrs ago and i don't like them now.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Many of them distrust Trump as a loose cannon. Clinton, by contrast, is a known quantity. Even if some of her state positions on issues might be a bit to the left of what they'd prefer, they know that she'd continue the fundamental policies of the last several years. They prefer that to the unpredictability of Trump.
jfern
(5,204 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)vulnerable just about everywhere in the region she touched as SOS.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)except for a single vote in Iraq, while voting to authorize military forces there and continue funding as long as W wanted. He supports war in Syria, and like Clinton insists the US should not send group troops. The main difference is he wants long term enemies, Iran and Saudi Arabia, to fight a proxy war for the US. That is hardly peace. If she is vulnerable, so is Bernie.
amborin
(16,631 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)This is the problem when people don't read leftist political theory. They claim left is a reflection of what they see in the mirror, independent of any underlying principle or framework.
It is possible to be completely isolationist and also a right-winger. One can be completely opposed to free trade and also a right winger. The Brazilian military dictatorship managed it.
Leftism is not simply a collection of positions on issues that you happen to agree with. It is a political ideology predicated on equality--economic, racial, gender, etc... It does not uphold the interests of one man above the many, and it does not advance a hierarchical nature of society in which a few are certain they and they alone have the answer to what is good for the benighted poor and people of color, or the subaltern more generally. That is the antithesis of what leftism means.
We live in a country where the educational system was ravaged by McCarthyism, where people who have never read Marx, Gramsci, or any leftist theory insist socialism is public highways. Absent an ideological fulcrum, leftism is defined in terms of ego and political opportunism.
The fact is we have no left in this country. It was jailed, purged, and deported. That anyone could claim that Trump could attack Clinton "from the left" shows a bizarre disconnect.
And this from people who have decided that "leftism" means championing the unfettered profits of gun companies over the rights of ordinary Americans not to be killed or to even petition courts, who insist corporate accountability should exempt not only gun corporations but MIC mega corporations like Lockheed-Martin.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)tokenlib
(4,186 posts)His comments at the last debate about the Carrier air conditioners going to Mexico..if he were to back them up..might put him to Hillary's left. Those who say the jobs are never coming back, that the new economy is something we are stuck with, are also promoting a "no we can't" message.
A new Protectionism message could attract both liberals and conservatives..
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)And would likely deserve criticism because of that vote but Trump ain't left. At least not this year.
Cayenneman
(10 posts)No doubt about it. This was the biggest blunder in US history. Hillary voted for it!! That is why she lost to Obama in 2008.
If you don't want Trump to be president you better make sure Bernie is the Democratic nominee!
aidbo
(2,328 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Hillary: Money doesn't influence me.
Donald: My Money Influenced You !