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Can you imagine a scenario where Hillary is being attacked from the left in the GE (Original Post) Renew Deal Feb 2016 OP
it just makes her more attractive to certain voters.... mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #1
Nobody who still likes the Iraq War will ever vote for any Democratic candidate again. n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #5
I am referring to her mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #6
there does seem to be a lot of people who support her b/c they think tk2kewl Feb 2016 #8
are you saying mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #17
i'm saying it's a lousy reason to vote for her tk2kewl Feb 2016 #19
Many of the pro-war Wall Street types would vote for Clinton over Trump. Jim Lane Feb 2016 #15
Also TPP jfern Feb 2016 #2
She wont be because she is not gonna be the nominee litlbilly Feb 2016 #3
Iraq, Libya, Syria, ISIS, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, Iran - she's vulnerable leveymg Feb 2016 #4
Sanders voted with her on every one of those conflicts BainsBane Feb 2016 #10
ISIS Falls in her lap.....started with Iraq, worsened with regime change in Libya, etc... amborin Feb 2016 #7
Are you actually claiming Trump is to the left of Clinton? BainsBane Feb 2016 #9
Whatever Left is, it sure as hell isn't blowing up Iraqi children DemocraticWing Feb 2016 #14
Trump may be to the left of Clinton on outsourcing too.... tokenlib Feb 2016 #11
She's not a great candidate bigwillq Feb 2016 #12
Trump is to the left of Hillary on Iraq War Cayenneman Feb 2016 #13
you think this guy wouldn't 'go there'? aidbo Feb 2016 #16
And about money in politics. You know it is coming if they are the nominees. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #18
 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
8. there does seem to be a lot of people who support her b/c they think
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:00 AM
Feb 2016

she is some sort of victim rather than b/c of any particular policy, so maybe your on to something

mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
17. are you saying
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:00 AM
Feb 2016

she's not a victim of sexism? being older I look at the issues without passion....look at the different strategies looking for the best over all. However there is no getting around the fact that she is a victim of societal sexism...it comes from both the left and the right. while being a victim of sexism doesn't make the victim of sexism the objectively better candidate....it makes the perpetrators and the alternatives the worse candidates....is the light bulb going off yet? I used to post a joke "how many light bulbs does it take to change the GOP (they have to want to change) I have learned that unfortunately it can be applied to the left as well but you seem more right than left in philosophy.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
19. i'm saying it's a lousy reason to vote for her
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:06 AM
Feb 2016

not denying that she faced difficult challenges to get where she is today because of her gender. i don't like her record on many issues, i didn't like her campaign tactics 8 yrs ago and i don't like them now.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
15. Many of the pro-war Wall Street types would vote for Clinton over Trump.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:58 AM
Feb 2016

Many of them distrust Trump as a loose cannon. Clinton, by contrast, is a known quantity. Even if some of her state positions on issues might be a bit to the left of what they'd prefer, they know that she'd continue the fundamental policies of the last several years. They prefer that to the unpredictability of Trump.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
4. Iraq, Libya, Syria, ISIS, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, Iran - she's vulnerable
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:51 PM
Feb 2016

vulnerable just about everywhere in the region she touched as SOS.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
10. Sanders voted with her on every one of those conflicts
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:22 AM
Feb 2016

except for a single vote in Iraq, while voting to authorize military forces there and continue funding as long as W wanted. He supports war in Syria, and like Clinton insists the US should not send group troops. The main difference is he wants long term enemies, Iran and Saudi Arabia, to fight a proxy war for the US. That is hardly peace. If she is vulnerable, so is Bernie.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
9. Are you actually claiming Trump is to the left of Clinton?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:18 AM
Feb 2016

This is the problem when people don't read leftist political theory. They claim left is a reflection of what they see in the mirror, independent of any underlying principle or framework.

It is possible to be completely isolationist and also a right-winger. One can be completely opposed to free trade and also a right winger. The Brazilian military dictatorship managed it.

Leftism is not simply a collection of positions on issues that you happen to agree with. It is a political ideology predicated on equality--economic, racial, gender, etc... It does not uphold the interests of one man above the many, and it does not advance a hierarchical nature of society in which a few are certain they and they alone have the answer to what is good for the benighted poor and people of color, or the subaltern more generally. That is the antithesis of what leftism means.

We live in a country where the educational system was ravaged by McCarthyism, where people who have never read Marx, Gramsci, or any leftist theory insist socialism is public highways. Absent an ideological fulcrum, leftism is defined in terms of ego and political opportunism.

The fact is we have no left in this country. It was jailed, purged, and deported. That anyone could claim that Trump could attack Clinton "from the left" shows a bizarre disconnect.

And this from people who have decided that "leftism" means championing the unfettered profits of gun companies over the rights of ordinary Americans not to be killed or to even petition courts, who insist corporate accountability should exempt not only gun corporations but MIC mega corporations like Lockheed-Martin.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
11. Trump may be to the left of Clinton on outsourcing too....
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:24 AM
Feb 2016

His comments at the last debate about the Carrier air conditioners going to Mexico..if he were to back them up..might put him to Hillary's left. Those who say the jobs are never coming back, that the new economy is something we are stuck with, are also promoting a "no we can't" message.

A new Protectionism message could attract both liberals and conservatives..

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
12. She's not a great candidate
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:25 AM
Feb 2016

And would likely deserve criticism because of that vote but Trump ain't left. At least not this year.

Cayenneman

(10 posts)
13. Trump is to the left of Hillary on Iraq War
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:36 AM
Feb 2016

No doubt about it. This was the biggest blunder in US history. Hillary voted for it!! That is why she lost to Obama in 2008.
If you don't want Trump to be president you better make sure Bernie is the Democratic nominee!

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
18. And about money in politics. You know it is coming if they are the nominees.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:03 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary: Money doesn't influence me.

Donald: My Money Influenced You !




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